Originally Posted by bluefinger
Wanna talk from experience? My mother had to go through an illegal abortion once (due to locality and the laws of the land at that place in time), and nearly died from it. Not to mention, she had to go to work the next day so not to raise suspicions. Now, had she died, I wouldn't exist, so the picture ain't fucking black & white.
Also, did you stop to consider she may have not wanted to have a child? You can't force a woman to bare a child she may not want. To do that is to remove her rights to her own body. And to me, that is by far more disgusting than an abortion.
For the 'natural order', what sets that order? What is it that sets us apart from another ape? Life itself is not meaningful, it is consciousness. When the foetus develops to the point it starts to exhibit brain activity, then yeah, I would be against abortions at that term, but that happens at around 20 weeks onwards with the pregnancy. Before that, it can't even be said to be conscious, so what's the big deal?
And why did your mom HAVE to go through this illegal abortion? Not being cynical, actually serious.
Im gonna say it again, it is not only rights to her own body, it is rights to a child's body as well, which to me is disgusting since the to be child doesnt even have a say. If she didnt want the child, fine, we would have taken it. but, if you are old enough to play around you are old enough to accept the consequences which she didnt want so she found herself a loop-hole. I know not all abortion cases are like this but this one was.
You answered the question yourself. What determines the natural order is we have consciousness.
I really dont have a problem with your view. The fact you are against it at some stage is still good enough to me. but, if you are so against my view I will stick around and defend it.
Sekrat: You know full well there is plenty of difference, the difference is that no other cells will evolve in to a living human save the ones from a sperm and egg joining. Saying they wont cause we abort them so it doesnt matter really makes more sense when you realize they are the only cells that can do this.
oye, the point of the leg thing was to take your analogy and spin it cause its not only her baby, it is both her's and the man's.
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