Bilderberg 2008

[Hercuflea]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...0608Photos.htm Spooks Infest Marriott Hotel As Bilderberg Begins Tucker and Jones followed, questioned by FBI as stunt fire alarm interrupts Coast to Coast appearance Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet Thursday, June 5, 2008 Spooks, FBI agents and cops have descended on the Westfields Marriott hotel in Chantilly Virginia to scrutinize Jim Tucker and Alex Jones as the 2008 Bilderberg meeting gets underway today without even being mentioned in the American corporate media. Immediately before appearing on the nationally syndicated Coast to Coast AM broadcast last night, a show that boasts around 16 million listeners, Alex Jones was interrupted by a fire alarm which forced him to leave the hotel. "I know this is a set-up, they timed this exactly....the moment the phone rang the alarm goes off....they want to use this to flush us out of here," Jones told host George Noory. Jones added that he was also confronted by a security guard 30 minutes before the interview who told him to stop filming and made a bizarre out of context reference to a fire alarm. Listen to Alex's short appearance on the show below. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...0608Tucker.htm "This is some kind of stunt, these bastards walked up to us and made a comment about fire alarms, we come in here the phone rings and right as the phone rings and they pick it up this alarm goes off," said Jones. Jones also said that FBI agents had grilled him and Tucker on whether he "was planning anything violent" during a confrontation in the hotel restaurant. "There's agents and spies everywhere....everywhere we go we are followed....they are questioning us, getting in our faces," said Jones, who was also detained and interrogated before the 2006 Bilderberg meeting in Ottawa Canada. "All we're trying to do is get the First Amendment out, we're reporters, it's our right when 120 world leaders show up, we have a right and a duty to find out what's going on," he added. Since the U.S. corporate media has steadfastly refused to utter one word on 125 powerbrokers meeting in secret to discuss the future of the planet, it is not only the duty, but the neccessity of the alternative media to fill the hole and keep Americans informed about what is taking place this week in Chantilly. If 125 film stars booked out a hotel, arrived in dark-tinted limosuines and met in secret do you think the corporate media would be interested in finding out what they were there to discuss? Yet 125 top CEO's, hugely influential philanthropists, heads of state, NATO officials, academic leaders, banking kingpins, and European royalty - the very people that shape the destiny of the world - can get together for three days without a single U.S. corporate media outlet reporting on it. You certainly won't read about it in the Washington Post, the New York Times or the Wall Street Journal, since the editors of those three newspapers are all Bilderberg members. This is why Tucker and Jones are forced to undergo harassment and scrutiny almost every year merely for covering the event - because not one mainstream media outlet dare break ranks with its elite owners and undertake real investigative journalism.

[ChrissyMaria]

This news disgusts me, all these secret meetings they want nobody to find out about, I bet its about the New World Order. Supposedly the Giant base we have in Iraq is supposed to be the main base of the NWO according to Aaron russo who was told by a rockefeller....

[Original Poster]

I think they're planning a big surprise party. ... For humanity.

[ChrissyMaria]

Yea, only it's not going to be a fun party.

[Hercuflea]

All i can say is keep your guns loaded

[Hercuflea]

If any of you want to know the truth, i recommend this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...00562261&hl=en it is kind of overwhelming especially the second half, so watch it in pieces if you like

[Original Poster]

You guys are taking this too seriously. 500 million americans forced into crowded cities while eugenicists and natural disasters remove the lesser 5.5 billion? There are hundreds of thousands of trained assassins from various countries in Asia ready to kill off the Morgans, Rockefellers and Rothschilds at a moments notice with one phone call. This is what scares ME: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od4aF....php?f=4&t=171 I can't embed

[ChrissyMaria]

What trained assassins? why don't they take out these rich banker pricks right now? they deserve to be shot in their asses, a bullet right in their fat banking egotistical greedy fucking asses.

[Universal Mind]

What trained assassins? why don't they take out these rich banker pricks right now? they deserve to be shot in their asses, a bullet right in their fat banking egotistical greedy fucking asses. Easy, now. We would be a third world nation if we didn't have greedy assholes. Don't be one, but be glad we have them.

[Minervas Phoenix]

All we're trying to do is get the First Amendment out, we're reporters, it's our right when 120 world leaders show up, we have a right and a duty to find out what's going on," he added. Since the U.S. corporate media has steadfastly refused to utter one word on 125 powerbrokers meeting in secret to discuss the future of the planet, it is not only the duty, but the neccessity of the alternative media to fill the hole and keep Americans informed about what is taking place this week in Chantilly. If 125 film stars booked out a hotel, arrived in dark-tinted limosuines and met in secret do you think the corporate media would be interested in finding out what they were there to discuss? Yet 125 top CEO's, hugely influential philanthropists, heads of state, NATO officials, academic leaders, banking kingpins, and European royalty - the very people that shape the destiny of the world - can get together for three days without a single U.S. corporate media outlet reporting on it. It's time to be disturbed. And to be even more disturbed at those that aren't.

[Hercuflea]

Bildeberg Attendee List 2008 Chantilly, Virginia, USA 5-8 June 2008 CURRENT LIST OF PARTICIPANTS Honorary Chairman BEL Davignon, Etienne Vice Chairman, Suez-Tractebel DEU Ackermann, Josef Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank AG CAN Adams, John Associate Deputy Minister of National Defence and Chief of the Communications Security Establishment Canada USA Ajami, Fouad Director, Middle East Studies Program, The Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, The Johns Hopkins University USA Alexander, Keith B. Director, National Security Agency INT Almunia, Joaquïn Commissioner, European Commission GRC Alogoskoufis, George Minister of Economy and Finance USA Altman, Roger C. Chairman, Evercore Partners Inc. TUR Babacan, Ali Minister of Foreign Affairs NLD Balkenende, Jan Peter Prime Minister PRT Balsemëo, Francisco Pinto Chairman and CEO, IMPRESA, S.G.P.S.; Former Prime Minister FRA Baverez, Nicolas Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP ITA Bernab�, Franco CEO, Telecom Italia Spa USA Bernanke, Ben S. Chairman, Board of Governors, Federal Reserve System SWE Bildt, Carl Minister of Foreign Affairs FIN Blåfield, Antti Senior Editorial Writer, Helsingin Sanomat DNK Bosse, Stine CEO, TrygVesta CAN Brodie, Ian Chief of Staff, Prime Minister's Office AUT Bronner, Oscar Publisher and Editor, Der Standard FRA Castries, Henri de Chairman of the Management Board and CEO, AXA ESP Cebri�n, Juan Luis CEO, PRISA CAN Clark, Edmund President and CEO, TD Bank Financial Group GBR Clarke, Kenneth Member of Parliament NOR Clemet, Kristin Managing Director, Civita USA Collins, Timothy C. Senior Managing Director and CEO, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC FRA Collomb, Bertrand Honorary Chairman, Lafarge PRT Costa, Ant�nio Mayor of Lisbon USA Crocker, Chester A. James R. Schlesinger Professor of Strategic Studies USA Daschle, Thomas A. Former US Senator and Senate Majority Leader CAN Desmarais, Jr., Paul Chairman and co-CEO, Power Corporation of Canada GRC Diamantopoulou, Anna Member of Parliament USA Donilon, Thomas E. Partner, O'Melveny & Myers ITA Draghi, Mario Governor, Banca d'Italia AUT Ederer, Brigitte CEO, Siemens AG Österreich CAN Edwards, N. Murray Vice Chairman, Candian Natural Resources Limited DNK Eldrup, Anders President, DONG A/S ITA Elkann, John Vice Chairman, Fiat S.p.A. USA Farah, Martha J. Director, Center for Cognitive Neuroscience; Walter H. Annenberg Professor in the Natural Sciences, University of Pennsylvania USA Feldstein, Martin S. President and CEO, National Bureau of Economic Research DEU Fischer, Joschka Former Minister of Foreign Affairs USA Ford, Jr., Harold E. Vice Chairman, Merill Lynch & Co., Inc. CHE Forstmoser, Peter Professor for Civil, Corporation and Capital Markets Law, University of Z�rich IRL Gallagher, Paul Attorney General USA Geithner, Timothy F. President and CEO, Federal Reserve Bank of New York USA Gigot, Paul Editorial Page Editor, The Wall Street Journal IRL Gleeson, Dermot Chairman, AIB Group NLD Goddijn, Harold CEO, TomTom TUR Gö?ü?, Zeynep Journalist; Founder, EurActiv.com.tr USA Graham, Donald E. Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company NLD Halberstadt, Victor Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings USA Holbrooke, Richard C. Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC FIN Honkapohja, Seppo Member of the Board, Bank of Finland INT Hoop Scheffer, Jaap G. de Secretary General, NATO USA Hubbard, Allan B. Chairman, E & A Industries, Inc. BEL Huyghebaert, Jan Chairman of the Board of Directors, KBC Group DEU Ischinger, Wolfgang Former Ambassador to the UK and US USA Jacobs, Kenneth Deputy Chairman, Head of Lazard U.S., Lazard Fréres & Co. LLC USA Johnson, James A. Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC SWE Johnstone, Tom President and CEO, AB SKF USA Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. Senior Managing Director, Lazard Fr�res & Co. LLC FRA Jouyet, Jean-Pierre Minister of European Affairs GBR Kerr, John Member, House of Lords; Deputy Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc. USA Kissinger, Henry A. Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc. DEU Klaeden, Eckart von Foreign Policy Spokesman, CDU/CSU USA Kleinfeld, Klaus President and COO, Alcoa TUR KoÇ, Mustafa Chairman, KoÇ Holding A.S. FRA Kodmani, Bassma Director, Arab Reform Initiative USA Kravis, Henry R. Founding Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. USA Kravis, Marie-Jos�e Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute, Inc. INT Kroes, Neelie Commissioner, European Commission POL Kwasniewski, Aleksander Former President AUT Leitner, Wolfgang CEO, Andritz AG ESP León Gross, Bernardino Secretary General, Office of the Prime Minister INT Mandelson, Peter Commissioner, European Commission FRA Margerie, Christophe de CEO, Total CAN Martin, Roger Dean, Joseph L. Rotman School of Management, University of Toronto HUN Martonyi, János Professor of International Trade Law; Partner, Baker & McKenzie; Former Minister of Foreign Affairs USA Mathews, Jessica T. President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace INT McCreevy, Charlie Commissioner, European Commission USA McDonough, William J. Vice Chairman and Special Advisor to the Chairman, Merrill Lynch & Co., Inc. CAN McKenna, Frank Deputy Chair, TD Bank Financial Group GBR McKillop, Tom Chairman, The Royal Bank of Scotland Group FRA Montbrial, Thierry de President, French Institute for International Relations ITA Monti, Mario President, Universita Commerciale Luigi Bocconi USA Mundie, Craig J. Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation NOR Myklebust, Egil Former Chairman of the Board of Directors SAS, Norsk Hydro ASA DEU Nass, Matthias Deputy Editor, Die Zeit NLD Netherlands, H.M. the Queen of the FRA Ockrent, Christine CEO, French television and radio world service FIN Ollila, Jorma Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell plc SWE Olofsson, Maud Minister of Enterprise and Energy; Deputy Prime Minister NLD Orange, H.R.H. the Prince of GBR Osborne, George Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer TUR Öztrak, Faik Member of Parliament ITA Padoa-Schioppa, Tommaso Former Minister of Finance; President of Notre Europe GRC Papahelas, Alexis Journalist, Kathimerini GRC Papalexopoulos, Dimitris CEO, Titan Cement Co. S.A. USA Paulson, Jr., Henry M. Secretary of the Treasury USA Pearl, Frank H. Chairman and CEO, Perseus, LLC USA Perle, Richard N. Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research FRA Pérol, Fran�ois Deputy General Secretary in charge of Economic Affairs DEU Perthes, Volker Director, Stiftung Wissenschaft und Politik BEL Philippe, H.R.H. Prince CAN Prichard, J. Robert S. President and CEO, Torstar Corporation CAN Reisman, Heather M. Chair and CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc. USA Rice, Condoleezza Secretary of State PRT Rio, Rui Mayor of Porto USA Rockefeller, David Former Chairman, Chase Manhattan Bank ESP Rodriguez Inciarte, Matias Executive Vice Chairman, Grupo Santander USA Rose, Charlie Producer, Rose Communications DNK Rose, Flemming Editor, Jyllands Posten USA Ross, Dennis B. Counselor and Ziegler Distinguished Fellow, The Washington Institute for Near East Policy USA Rubin, Barnett R. Director of Studies and Senior Fellow, Center for International Cooperation, New York University TUR ?ahenk, Ferit Chairman, Do?u? Holding A.?. USA Sanford, Mark Governor of South Carolina USA Schmidt, Eric Chairman of the Executive Committee and CEO, Google AUT Scholten, Rudolf Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG DNK Schur, Fritz H. Fritz Schur Gruppen CZE Schwarzenberg, Karel Minister of Foreign Affairs USA Sebelius, Kathleen Governor of Kansas USA Shultz, George P. Thomas W. and Susan B. Ford Distinguished Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University ESP Spain, H.M. the Queen of CHE Spillmann, Markus Editor-in-Chief and Head Managing Board, Neue Z�rcher Zeitung AG USA Summers, Lawrence H. Charles W. Eliot Professor, Harvard University GBR Taylor, J. Martin Chairman, Syngenta International AG USA Thiel, Peter A. President, Clarium Capital Management, LLC NLD Timmermans, Frans Minister of European Affairs RUS Trenin, Dmitri V. Deputy Director and Senior Associate, Carnegie Moscow Center INT Trichet, Jean-Claude President, European Central Bank USA Vakil, Sanam Assistant Professor of Middle East Studies, The Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University FRA Valls, Manuel Member of Parliament GRC Varvitsiotis, Thomas Co-Founder and President, V + O Communication CHE Vasella, Daniel L. Chairman and CEO, Novartis AG FIN Väyrynen, Raimo Director, The Finnish Institute of International Affairs FRA Védrine, Hubert Hubert Védrine Conseil NOR Vollebaek, Knut High Commissioner on National Minorities, OSCE SWE Wallenberg, Jacob Chairman, Investor AB USA Weber, J. Vin CEO, Clark & Weinstock USA Wolfensohn, James D. Chairman, Wolfensohn & Company, LLC USA Wolfowitz, Paul Visiting Scholar, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research INT Zoellick, Robert B. President, The World Bank Group Rapporteurs GBR Bredow, Vendeline von Business Correspondent, The Economist GBR Wooldridge, Adrian D. Foreign Correspondent, The Economist AUT Austria HUN Hungary BEL Belgium INT International CHE Switzerland IRL Ireland CAN Canada ITA Italy CZE Czech Republic NOR Norway DEU Germany NLD Netherlands DNK Denmark PRT Portugal ESP Spain POL Poland FRA France RUS Russia FIN Finland SWE Sweden GBR Great Britain TUR Turkey GRC Greece USA United States of America

[Original Poster]

What trained assassins? why don't they take out these rich banker pricks right now? they deserve to be shot in their asses, a bullet right in their fat banking egotistical greedy fucking asses. Because then who's on the right side? So far this is still a partisan fight, and it'll remain as one until people's personal rights and dignity are violated Easy, now. We would be a third world nation if we didn't have greedy assholes. Don't be one, but be glad we have them. That's all well and good as long as anyone with a business out of their garage could take these guys down. They have people assassinated that publicly question their motives. There's no more competition, and nothing these men and women do is healthy for the economy.

[Minervas Phoenix]

Hercuflea that's great. Now all we need to have is the means to put these nutters in a rubber room, cut off their resources, and give them intense complete interviews under vast public scrutiny to determine the most efficient appropriate punishment. Let them try and convince us of their innocence and good doing. But let it be under microscope and correct discernment. May nothing be hidden.

[Hercuflea]

Hmmm....look who's there Ben Bernanke (Federal Reserve Chairman) Condoleeza Rice Henry Kissinger basically a bunch of low-life thugs

[Hercuflea]

Live internet feed of the protest at www.wearechange.org

[Hercuflea]

According to various sources, Hillary & Obama In Secret Bilderberg Rendezvous http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...lary_obama.htm Campaign spokespeople refuse to disclose location of meeting, but reports admit Democratic candidates convened at "an event in Northern Virginia" Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet Friday, June 6, 2008 According to news reports, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton went out of their way to hold their long-awaited private meeting in a very specific location - not at Hillary's mansion in Washington - but in Northern Virginia, which also just happens to be the scene of the 2008 Bilderberg meeting. Obama's spokesman Robert Gibbs told the media that Obama and Clinton held a private meeting last night but he refused to disclose where it taken place, except that it was not at Clinton's home in Washington, as had been widely reported. Hillary campaign managers also refused to disclose the location of the rendezvous. "Reporters traveling with Obama sensed something might be happening between the pair when they arrived at Dulles International Airport after an event in Northern Virginia and Obama was not aboard the airplane," reports the Associated Press. -- http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...3j3dwD914B1O00 Dulles just happens to be walking distance from the Westfields Marriott hotel in Chantilly where Henry Kissinger, David Rockfeller and the rest of the Bilderberg globalists are convening. Asked at the time about the Illinois senator's whereabouts, Gibbs smiled and declined to comment," the reports adds. What is the only political "event" taking place in Northern Virginia at the moment? The Bilderberg Group meeting of course. Rather than taking the easier option of meeting at Clinton's Washington mansion, Obama and Hillary went out of their way to grace the Bilderberg elitists with their presence. The neo-liberal website Wonkette, which had previously ridiculed "conspiracy theorists" for ascribing power to Bilderberg, seemed to take a somewhat different tone when it made the connection between Obama and Hillary's meeting and the Bilderberg Group. "Guess who had a very private talky-talk in (maybe) romantic Northern Virginia tonight, probably at the Bilderberg Group meeting in Chantilly? Your Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton!," states the blog. -- http://wonkette.com/400268/hillary-b...erg-date-night "They really met and talked, in private, Thursday night. And really, it sounds like they did this at that creepy Bilderberg Group meeting, which is happening now, and which is so secret that nobody will admit they’re going, even though everybody who is anybody goes to Bilderberg." To have the potential future President and Vice-President of America attend a conference that debunkers have dismissed as a mere talking shop for old white men once again underscores the real influence that Bilderberg enjoys. Not one U.S. corporate media outlet has made the connection between the location of the Bilderberg Group conference this year and Obama and Hillary's decision to venture out to Chantilly for their confidential "tet a tet". Not one U.S. corporate media outlet has yet uttered one word about 125 of the world's most influential power brokers meeting behind closed doors to discuss the future of the planet on U.S. soil - while being met by the probable future President of the United States. Both Hillary and Obama have deep rooted connections to the Bilderberg elitists. Bill Clinton attended the 1991 meeting in Germany shortly before becoming President and he attended again in 1999 when the conference was held in Sintra, Portugal (despite Clinton's lie that he had not attended in 15 years). Hillary herself was rumored to have attended the 2006 meeting in Ottawa, Canada. -- http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...ntonattend.htm As we reported last month, Bilderberg luminary and top corporate elitist James A. Johnson will select Democratic candidate Barack Obama's running mate for the 2008 election and in turn potentially act as kingmaker for America's future President. -- http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...g_luminary.htm Johnson also selected John Kerry's running mate John Edwards in 2004 after Edwards had impressed Bilderberg elitists Henry Kissinger and David Rockefeller with a speech he gave at the globalist confab in Italy that year. -- http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...erformance.htm Johnson, who attended last year's Bilderberg meeting in Turkey, is a representative for Friends of Bilderberg, an offshoot group that organizes Bilderberg's annual meeting. Hillary and Obama's attendance of the 2008 Bilderberg meeting, and the complete failure of the mainstream media to report on the fact, once again betrays the super-secretive nature and influential reputation that the 54-year-old organization still maintains.

[Minervas Phoenix]

[Man of Shred]

Easy, now. We would be a third world nation if we didn't have greedy assholes. Don't be one, but be glad we have them. that's a blatant fucking lie and you know it UM. People like you believe humans are naturally fucked up and for disaster. THat's only what people have been telling us, with he use of religion, mass media, and now drugging children so that we blindly accept this FALSE LIE. Human beings without greedy assholes would prosper greatly. There are free energy devices available. We could all clean up this planet. If we clean up the enviroment and use free energy devices that REALLY EXIST. This planet could easily sustain 11 BILLION people PERIOD. It's fucking common sense. If every human on this planet chose to lead their own lives with self respect there would be no need for greedy assholes PERIOD! And what's this? be glad to have greedy assholes? How can millions of people in 3rd world countries, dying from starvation every day, be GLAD to have greedy assholes in the world that keep them from eating. Especially when there is enough resources and food to feed the world many times over. No, I'm not starving but I am PISSED OFF that people are. Should i Be happy That there are laws being passed in canada that is taking away my free rights? Laws like spending a year in jail for having a pot plant. Or getting a 5 million dollar fine for eating a natural health food product that is 100% proven to be better for me than genetically modified Mcfucking donalds. OR that by 2010 The north american Union will come come to pass and veto the US and canada's bill of rights. Or that because i watched a few to many David icke videos on youtube, I'm an evil insurgent which should be put in a prison camp. You want me to be glad Greedy people are doing all this? are you fucking kidding me?

[Jeff777]

that's a blatant fucking lie and you know it UM. People like you believe humans are naturally fucked up and for disaster. THat's only what people have been telling us, with he use of religion, mass media, and now drugging children so that we blindly accept this FALSE LIE. Human beings without greedy assholes would prosper greatly. There are free energy devices available. We could all clean up this planet. If we clean up the enviroment and use free energy devices that REALLY EXIST. This planet could easily sustain 11 BILLION people PERIOD. It's fucking common sense. If every human on this planet chose to lead their own lives with self respect there would be no need for greedy assholes PERIOD! And what's this? be glad to have greedy assholes? How can millions of people in 3rd world countries, dying from starvation every day, be GLAD to have greedy assholes in the world that keep them from eating. Especially when there is enough resources and food to feed the world many times over. No, I'm not starving but I am PISSED OFF that people are. Should i Be happy That there are laws being passed in canada that is taking away my free rights? Laws like spending a year in jail for having a pot plant. Or getting a 5 million dollar fine for eating a natural health food product that is 100% proven to be better for me than genetically modified Mcfucking donalds. OR that by 2010 The north american Union will come come to pass and veto the US and canada's bill of rights. Or that because i watched a few to many David icke videos on youtube, I'm an evil insurgent which should be put in a prison camp. You want me to be glad Greedy people are doing all this? are you fucking kidding me? I think competition is what keeps the human race from becoming lethargic as a whole. Competition is not bad. It's fun in fact. However, competition can easily turn into greed. I already have qualms about fat fucking J.P. Morgan. Not too many know about how great a man Nicholi Tesla was. Had his greatness been placed in our school books, I have no doubt he would have gained more notoriety and fame than Albert Einstein himself. To summarize his life, he was a super genius that also had a bit of a schitzo mental disorder. His ideas for inventions came to him by what he described as flashing lights in his mind. J.P. loved the guy because of how rich they thought he could make them. The "tongue-in-cheek rumor" is as follows. Tesla approached Morgan stating that he needed $100,000,000 to build something great. Morgan had his doubts about it and ultimately did NOT give Tesla the full amount...but he did fork over quite a bit. Tesla started working on a device by which he said could give the world "free energy". Construction had already begun...(re-constructed drawn image of Tesla's machine) ...when J.P. Morgan had discovered Tesla's plans. After he found out what Tesla was really building, he shut his project down, pulled all funding from it and basically sent Tesla into a world of obscurity where his name would only be remembered by those that knew him best.

[Man of Shred]

yeah jeff i saw a documentary on that. Tesla was a genious!

[juroara]

there are greater forces that make our world go round than competition. the greatest I would say is cause and effect. the boundaries between our nations are completely illusionary. the success of our future lies not in egotistical and vain competition, but an understanding of the whole. and an understanding of cause and effect, that affects the whole. right now the greedy think they can do what ever they want and there will be no consequences. but there are always consequences. cause and effect is real. the earth is only one planet, is real. humanity being only one race, is real. people think of themselves as islands, that no one effects their income and they effect no one else's, but thats not true. we can't do whatever the hell we want. we can see how doing whatever we want affects someone on the other side of the world!!! consequences, there are always consequences for our actions. competition? were not a bunch of brainless animals battling for sex. neither do we need competition to be productive/active/creative. we only need our desire to continuously progress. vain competition gives us crap we don't need. real progress changes humanity forever. (tesla for example was not about selfish competition, but had an earnest desire to change our world) we are social beings and even if you believe we are just mammals, as mammals we have the largest social structures the earth has ever had. a global community when you bring down the invisible walls between us. if you do that then its easy to see how we are naturally social creatures. those people, who make millions and billions and practically own the world - their vain self serving egos are a threat to that global social structure. they see themselves as above that structure. they see themselves as the hands that pull the strings on that structure. they have seen themselves, sitting in their castles, separate from the rest of humanity. cause and effect is more powerful than their vain egos. what happens if the world did collapse and the value of money disappeared over night? then there is no one to buy the products of those greedy asses. and their castles also fall down with the rest of humanity. They fall down with the rest of humanity. they only THINK they are separate. ***************** right now the economy is set on some masculine greed mode. me myself and I and everyone else can go screw themselves. and this is why, the economy is so fucked up. we need to change our entire understanding of how the world works, and have the economy serve our needs as a social living structure. rather than living people serving the economy ego. I am not suggesting some form of socialism. But something new. And something that gives power back to the individual. As individuals are the foundation of that social structure.

[Man of Shred]

Oh BTW UM your comment about about America not being a third world nation.... It's well on it's way trust me. Edit: my favorite line from this vid. "her husband became ill so they couldn't make ends meet" Gotta love pharma corp healthcare eh?