Thread: UFO News

We are so fringe it was just Venus swamp gas. Mars was brighter than usual. lol.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

You seem to recall me calling people morons? Please don't make things up. It does not reflect well on your integrity.

I apologize if I'm wrong, it's simply what I said I "seem to recall". Like most people Minerva, I am wrong sometimes.

I am sorry but with what I have read on the subject and seen, I do see you as ill informed because you never even attempted to explain about the electromagnetic readings. How the wheat was neatly arranged in a way no human has imitated or how it was physically effected that makes the hudge pattern in so little time frame. How people experienced heightened states of awareness within it and have reactions to it. How they have seen Orbs manifesting it. That no tracks are found. If you saw some of those patterns they are huge. To make them in a hour without being discovered is practically impossible. The lay lines of the earths energy grid line up with the crop circles which explains the electromagnetic forces and readings.

I admitted earlier that I have no idea bout the electromagnetic readings, and don't claim to have any idea about them, but somebody else already handled that. Also, some of the circles from the videos you've posted that look incredibly complex are from the Circle Makers, once again. They have made circles that experts claim "aren't humanly possible" as you claim now, in short amounts of time. People experiencing heightened states of awareness within it means absolutely nothing, all you have to go on there is that persons word, and when you're in a place like that that seems so magnificent, you're likely to experience a surreal alteration in your psyche, it's like when you see a beautiful view in person like The Grand Canyon or something, it all feels very surreal and you feel strange unlike you normally would, like a heightened sense of awareness. I've experienced this myself, when I went to Moncton and stayed in a hotel, although I'm fairly sure it had nothing to do with aliens. Also, I already covered the orbs, another point which you didn't respond to. John Wabe made it up, he admitted to making it up, you already tried to make this point again, and I countered it once again in a previous post which you never responded to at all.

But also the physical nature of the wheat effected you never talked about or the geometrical complexity of the designs themself and their relation esoterically to mathematics and especially geometry and why such things are being communicated in wheat.

I have no idea what you're talking about when you say the physical nature of the wheat, and I already talked about the geometrical complexity of the designs themselves, it doesn't take an alien to figure out this stuff, there are once again, examples posted by Skysaw, images of extremely complex crop circles who experts claim are from aliens, yet there is documented footage of the Circle Makers themselves doing it. Also, why things are being communicated in wheat is not my argument to make.

You only talked about how I avoided things and had nothing of value, and that everything you and whoever agrees with you said, that was the superior thing. That is why I sensed and stated you might be ill informed.

I don't mean to say that you have nothing of value, that's not my point at all, if you've read my posts, you'll see that I'm not opposed to it possibly being aliens. What I'm arguing, is the fact that you CANNOT with absolute certainty, rule out humans being the makers of the circles, which you are doing. Hence, the flat Earth example, once again.

You can choose to end this here and now, and go on with your thread, or we can continue. I will concede and leave your thread if it's what you want, but if you keep making counter-arguments, I will be compelled to contest them. It's your choice.

ok that's fine bayside. Probably best if we continue that discussion in my 'discuss anything without arguing' thread.

Great video. It's just too bad a lot of people are quick to dismiss everything as being fake.

cool video minervas. Can we speculate why all of a sudden the media seems to be paying more attention to UFO's? for example the late shows and guests on David letterman and Larry King. Also Edgar mitchell the Astronaut, says now that UFO's are real. The Vatican stated it accepts the idea of life on other worlds. Also england released a bunch of UFO files to the public.

Why all this attention in the media all of a sudden? Is it really Disclosure happening? Or is it part of a broader agenda? The public is now being conditioned to more easily accept the Idea of UFO's. What's next?

Originally Posted by ranma187

cool video minervas. Can we speculate why all of a sudden the media seems to be paying more attention to UFO's? for example the late shows and guests on David letterman and Larry King. Also Edgar mitchell the Astronaut, says now that UFO's are real. The Vatican stated it accepts the idea of life on other worlds. Also england released a bunch of UFO files to the public.

Why all this attention in the media all of a sudden? Is it really Disclosure happening? Or is it part of a broader agenda? The public is now being conditioned to more easily accept the Idea of UFO's. What's next?

I suspect that the governments around the world already know aliens exist and that this increase in media attention could be the beginnings of actual disclosure. It certainly makes sense that they would start by bringing more media attention to them before just coming out and saying, "oh yeah, remember when we said aliens didn't exist, well actually, they do." You know, to ease some people into it.

Originally Posted by Ranma187

cool video minervas. Can we speculate why all of a sudden the media seems to be paying more attention to UFO's? for example the late shows and guests on David letterman and Larry King. Also Edgar mitchell the Astronaut, says now that UFO's are real. The Vatican stated it accepts the idea of life on other worlds. Also england released a bunch of UFO files to the public.

Why all this attention in the media all of a sudden? Is it really Disclosure happening? Or is it part of a broader agenda? The public is now being conditioned to more easily accept the Idea of UFO's. What's next?

Very mindful question. I don't think anyone would pick this up on this forum except you and maybe people like Schmaven.

I think purposeful disclosure has being happening because of raising public awareness. A combination of people becoming aware of it and less suppression of it. Someone wrote about their experiences in the military with alien communication and said they were briefed that the military decided a gradual disclosure over the period of 20 years. This seems to make sense because it's exactly what I've been seeing. It's on corporate news more, amazing books on it in libraries which never used to be there. More magazines about it. More people are revealing experiences. Organizations like the disclosure project and people writing stuff like Nasa dark mission. And even that astronaut Edgar admitting about the alien presence (like you said).

It makes you realize an added factor of the military industrial complex and how successful they are at controlling the flow of information. They can let the truth get through or suppress it. But people at this level also have a massive responsibility to co-operate effectively and make sure these resources are not abused and things are handled appropriately. I don't believe it's all bad. People like Alex Jones are very focused on the abuse of power. but some aren't abusing power in high places they are helping us.

So what is the reason for gradual disclosure? I think in the early days people were just not ready for it. The public started to go insane. I believe some were genuinely afraid of mass hysteria. So they kept people sane until there was time to get used to the idea now it's becoming more safe we have matured a little more. So they are giving us access to what we can handle.

What I see is typical of what they did with the global warming and climate change. First they denied it. Then there was a process to condition people about it together with a carbon dioxide twist which was the deceptive part of it.

The same pattern might repeat with Extraterrestrials. If there is going to be a twist of a deception they will choose which ET races to include and not include. They might say these guys are hostile so we have to do 'this'. Which can be another form of deception on their part.

Some could try and hide the beneficial ET races just the same as they hid the free energy technology so they could sell oil. Same concept.

This will not work if people take the initiative to focus on and ask for help from a beneficial source. If people aren't selfish and remain reasonable no dark forces will be able to get a hold of us.

It's very complex to explain all the combined reasons about why this is happening at this time. I have come to realize that climate change is actually a reality change. More than just on the physical outer level which manifests as upsets or changes in weather patterns. That the earth is merging into whatever dimensions these UFOs exist within. I know for me personally there is still a lot of uncertainly about what exactly is going on.

The good thing is all the information we need to piece this together is very much becoming avaliable. I'm almost finding it hard to keep up and it never used to be like that 10 years ago.

Something interesting is happening with science. It's gone in two distinctly opposite directions. One direction is making so much progress at once that it's merging with what mystics and saints always claimed about consiousness and leading us to think about things much differently to the traditional thinking.

The other direction amusingly enough staying traditional and appears exactly the same as it used or even more rigid and dogmatic than it was (probably for the sake of control). Only now it's fighting the other scientific paradigm to try and survive. I can see that it isn't going to work because the other discoveries actually explain things better.The traditional models have become cornered into a self conflicting position that is just defeat and it looks like it will now dissolve. And people are clinging on to it like a sinking ship, or just happen to be there in the moment sort of thing where they just are not up to date on the discoveries made. So they aren't aware of the conflicting evidence.

Overall a critical mass is just about reached. In regards to awareness of the NWO. UFOs. And generally just higher awareness of life.

The crop circles reflect these increasing changes and our DNA is even changing with it together with whatever the earth is doing. So pretty interesting times you live in. A vast cumulative progression is happening. This matches astrologically the predicted golden age of Aquarius and the passing of the photon belt with the galactic alignment of our solar system.

I think this is probably one of the most interesting times to be alive on our planet. So much is changing, and so many new discoveries are being made.

I've heard 2012 mentioned randomly a bunch of places, with theories about the world ending and such. I've also heard that the Mayan calendar resets at year 0 at that time. So I think if anything is going to happen that year, it'll be full disclosure about aliens. Because if that happened, and we started interacting with them, we would learn so much, and our world would not be the same ever again. I think that would be a good time to start over at year zero. Right now what is it based on? How many years after Jesus has been dead? Aliens coming to earth and sharing their discoveries with us, and working with us somehow, jump starts time in such a new way, that everything before that moment would seem trivial and unimportant.

If nothing else, we'll all be able to get a good laugh at all this 2012 talk when it finally rolls around. Either way, I'm excited that I'm living in this stage of our planet.

Right now what is it based on?

Time as a linear progression. When you move up a level in awareness you get a different calender which is not based on linear time but time as it exists as a whole. That's what the Mayans meant by the end of time. The predicted point in the cycles where we would change calenders to encompass the full nature of time. So 'the end of time as we know it'. Not the end of the world as we know it. That is a wrong interpretation just changing perceptions of time as we know it.

Just imagine for a moment the effect of linear time thinking. It is simply materialism. Which is what we have being living as the basis. When the calender changes and we merge with the rest of the races in the universe. That will make the end of the age of darkness or deception into the age of knowledge and wholeness. So the calender will be based on a different version and understanding of time.

All a calender is, is a cycles marker. Something you base as your thinking patterns to interact with the world as it exists in time. Just imagine a calender that details cycles as rather than linear years. With the other calender we counted orbits. This one would use the singularity as the marker point so it wouldn't be counting orbits it would be showing the relationships between orbits not only in the future but the past and present.

Instead of saying I'll meet you at 1:50pm 3rd of November 2008 at Starbucks. You would function by thinking in 4th dimensional terms. Such as: The cycle of '1:50pm 3rd of November 2008 at starbucks' lies on the time-space (and state condition of universe)

In the old calender it tells us it's 29th of August 2008 no matter what that is where we are and we are going in 'that' direction by 'this' much, no matter what. You cannot say 'meet you at 5th July 2008 5pm starbucks'. This is impossible when you are going in 'that' direction. But only in this calender mode is it seen as impossible.

With the new calender you can actually sound sane and say: Meet you at cycle 5th July 2008 5pm Starbucks. Because the singularity is not flowing in either forward or backward direction on the calender you can go both ways and remain standstill depending on your interaction with it. Time travel is seen as fictional mysterious and impossible, but with the advanced calender it will be just a basic mode of functioning.

That gives you an idea how much things will be changing.

That is a weak attempt to use the existing calender as an example to try and convey the more superior working calender. Which I don't know how it works exactly. The Mayans did it somehow (to some degree). All I understand is that it's beyond linear time as the basis for the calender and using a more sophisticated advanced understanding of time. Which is the basic form of calender ETs use to measure and record time.

Notice the word calender. Cal-ender. Call ender. Stating the conditions by calling it forth in living and experiencing it in that particular mode you defined it as.

Originally Posted by Schmaven

I think this is probably one of the most interesting times to be alive on our planet. So much is changing, and so many new discoveries are being made.

I've heard 2012 mentioned randomly a bunch of places, with theories about the world ending and such. I've also heard that the Mayan calendar resets at year 0 at that time. So I think if anything is going to happen that year, it'll be full disclosure about aliens. Because if that happened, and we started interacting with them, we would learn so much, and our world would not be the same ever again. I think that would be a good time to start over at year zero. Right now what is it based on? How many years after Jesus has been dead? Aliens coming to earth and sharing their discoveries with us, and working with us somehow, jump starts time in such a new way, that everything before that moment would seem trivial and unimportant.

If nothing else, we'll all be able to get a good laugh at all this 2012 talk when it finally rolls around. Either way, I'm excited that I'm living in this stage of our planet.

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This thread seems promising. This is a completely rational reasonable debate that I'm seeing take place and it's great to be a part of it. First of all, I've never seen an E.B.E (Extra biological entity) but I undoubtedly believe they exist. Why? Because our universe is too vast for there NOT to be any other life forms out there. I think disclosure MIGHT be on the move...I'm not so sure though. One thing I can speculate about that. The US government is covering up knowledge/information regarding E.B.E's and U.F.O's. I'm probably sure they've made contact as well. There are probably a lot of different races and species out there so I'm pretty sure the government knows the definitive truth about human origins. I know if I met an E.B.E...human origins would be on my top ten question list. Anyway as I said that's just speculation. I hope disclosure does happen soon though...I'm tired of the blatant lies, coverup, and US government mockery of UFO's.

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This is good info Minervas...but very redundant if you ask me. The French government's files sound about the same as the UK's. It's all a bunch of "sightings" "sightings" "sightings"

I'm damned sure they're in contact with these EBE's and know more about them than just collecting "sightings". Give me some name of some races for god sakes (not at you minervas...just blowing off steam)

Edit: For the record...I find it interesting the Ministry of defense in the UK is deciding to release their files on UFO's over the course of 4 years. And we know what year it'll be in 4 years.

Jeff redundant to people like you and me only to a certain point. Think about those that think UFOs and aliens visiting us is a fantasy. They would pull their hair out if races were mentioned too quickly. Government released documents from varies nations will help us to explain to them we are not hallucinating. Just more money in our bank in terms of evidence.

When they release information on it the next thing is they admit it. But I feel sad for those that had to wait until the government held their hand and told them what to believe was real instead of using their own mind to begin with. I can only imagine what world of nick-nack distractions they would have to be living in. To be that incapable of having an independent knowledge based on personal initiate. Rather than adopting whatever the consensus becomes as a rudder to decide what truth is. Since laziness has restricted the motivation to use anything else as a guide. The only effort made, to decieve themself into thinking the proper effort was made and that they aren't somewhere in la la land for whatever reason.

Maybe I am being too harsh. Not everyone is concerned with evolving themself and to them it would make perfect sense not to notice that spiritual progression is important. Hence awareness becomes an irrelevant factor to them and since they don't have any, they wouldn't understand why it's blinded them from getting anywhere.

We were once this blind. So it is not for us to judge when those above us have been where we are, and can say similar if not worse things about our decisions. This is perfectly natural and part of the order of things. But lets not get into delusion about who is in it the most when it comes to the UFO subject.

The point is something bad happens if you reveal too much truth too quickly, especially to the public it becomes dangerous. It instills horror in people. Those experimenting with mind altering drugs can attest to this sensation. On a collective level such a thing would create an unstable auric field that could lend itself to dangerous manifestations. Thank the debunker's for that much.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Jeff redundant to people like you and me only to a certain point. Think about those that think UFOs and aliens visiting us is a fantasy. Government released documents from varies nations will help us to explain to them we are not hallucinating. Just more money in our bank in terms of evidence.

When they release information on it the next thing is they admit it. But I feel sad for those that had to wait until the government held their hand and told them what to believe was real instead of using their own mind to begin with. I can only imagine what world of nick-nack distractions they would have to be living in. To be that incapable of having an independent knowledge based on personal initiate. Rather than adopting whatever the consensus becomes as a rudder to decide what truth is. Since laziness has restricted the motivation to use anything else as a guide. The only effort made, to decieve themself into thinking the proper effort was made and that they aren't somewhere in la la land for whatever reason.

Maybe I am being too harsh. Not everyone is concerned with evolving themself and to them it would make perfect sense not to notice that spiritual progression is important. Hence awareness becomes an irrelevant factor to them and since they don't have any, they wouldn't understand why it's blinded them from getting anywhere.

Considering the fact that I've yet to see any type of media say in any form of "there are no aliens," I don't see how your statement holds anything here. Most media shows pictures/videos of "UFOs" and most people take it to be aliens. Since you're trying to imply people can't think for themselves since they watch the media, that according to your statement above, tries to falsify alien life, yet they're usually trying to prove it, it just backfires in your face. Most people don't believe in aliens for lack of evidence.

Considering the devotion of suppression over years and years. The public has a complex about it being insane now. You can't remove that conditioning in one broadcast. So they have to remove that consensus first. They have being doing this for years and it's almost complete. You don't get laughed at anymore when you ask the question do you believe in UFOs or aliens. Most of the people I ask the response ranges from either 'I don't know' to 'Ofcourse' to 'possibly'. The point is you no longer get laughed at. But you still may open yourself up do ruining your career. Also they are not totally open about it. That is your other mistake. They are still suppressing 90% of it.

You on the other hand are at a totally different level of mindset. Your mind says because I see what they do, it has now backfired because they changed their position on UFOs and can't convince the public about aliens.

The misinterpretation here is most people are convinced the government is hiding something. UFOs remember are the most popular search on the net. You can hardly say people don't want to know. The pressure for disclosure is more intense than you want to admit. Half again of that already are aware of the alien presence and want to see it taken seriously urgently. Look at organizations like Exopolitics.

I don't actually know if you believe this or just trying to debunk me. But it's easy to speculate about possible reasons for why they would be disclosing it changing their mind. My bet is it's out of their control now and they are making an attempt to prepare to appear legitimate in the future when ETs decide the time is right to reveal more their presence. So they aren't totally embarrassed and unworthy of out attention. With growing awareness and changing conditions the rules of their game change. When you're playing chess you don't keep certain pieces in the same position. You have to change your position to avoid losing.

Remember with each step forward we are dragging the corporate slave state kicking and screaming with us. When they disclose anything it is because they have no choice unless they want to condemn themself to an overthrow.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

Considering the devotion of suppression over years and years. The public has a complex about it being insane now. So they have to de-condition that brainwashing from their mind first. You can't do that in one broadcast. Also they are not totally open about it. That is your other mistake. They are still suppressing 90% of it.

You on the other hand are at a totally different level of mindset. Your mind says because I see what they do, it has now backfired because they changed their position on UFOs and can't convince the public.

Perhaps the media knows as much about it as we do? Slim to nothing. I don't watch the news, so what they say over alien life has no standing in my views of alien life.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

The misinterpretation here is most people are convinced the government is hiding something.

Conspiracy theorists.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

UFOs remember are the most popular search on the net. You can hardly say people don't want to know. The pressure for disclosure is more intense than you want to admit.

People like to dwell in the unknown. Is the government trying to hide information about ghosts as well?

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

I don't actually know if you believe this or just trying to debunk me. But it's easy to speculate about possible reasons for why they would be disclosing it. My bet is it's out of their control and they are making an attempt to prepare to appear legitimate in the future when ETs decide the time is right to reveal more their presence.

Or maybe the media knows nothing about aliens. They aren't scientists or researchers.

True most reporters know near to nothing. Because their job is to sell out their country and look pretty not to investigate. But the ones who pull their strings and oppress them have calculated what the propaganda needs to be. Of course you don't inform the reporters you just give them a scripted program an attack anyone that wants to actually be a journalist.

From 911 you can see where the media is channeled it's sources. The military industrial complex. That's why they refused to state what source they got the information from which lead them to state on national television 20 minutes before building 7 had collapsed, that it had already collapsed. The spastic thing about this was we could see it standing in the background when they said it had collapsed. It was not that the sources were wrong. But the timing of the broadcast was wrong. Which had the effect of them being able to time travel. Either that or the media is not genuine and fake like we always suspected.

By the way I had to edit my post because I didn't add what was critical when I first typed it out. Which happens frequently. That is just how I write on a forum. I post read back then I add. As a guide I wouldn't quote me by the time you do if I recently posted it and I'm online chances are it will have changed by the time you reply.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

He worked as chief of security for the airport of LAX. Do you think he would be able to tell what a Meteor is? I think everyone can. Watch the actual story. It's not realistic to assume it's a Meteor and that people can't tell the difference. The marks on the ground and the way it crashed shows us different obviously.

Also you have no reason to believe it was some chondrite or whatever you wanted to make up on the spot without being there or anything. You only just herd the story from me. And if it was they would tell us because they would have nothing to hide.

Believe what you want though I find your denile amusing. There will be plenty of News. This is just a recent event. You can't ignore it all it will start to look dumb.

Your so.. non-skeptical..

Nevertheless, very interesting.. but no direct evidence. The most important evidence is the military helicopter there.

If it isn't already obvious by now...

We co-create our own realities...

Ignore the flamers...

They flame because they lack the spark to start their own fires so they latch onto and condescend on already lit ones...

That is all...

"The gigantic catastrophes that threaten us today are not elemental happenings of a physical or biological order, but psychic events. To a quite terrifying degree we are threatened by wars and revolutions which are nothing other than psychic epidemics. At any moment several millions of human beings may be smitten with a new madness, and then we shall have another world war or devastating revolution. Instead of being at the mercy of wild beats, earthquakes, landslides, and inundations, modern man is battered by the elemental forces of his own psyche."
-Carl Jung

Nice insight as always Cyclic!



It's real 'cause it exists in our minds!

"The way out is the way in..."

Originally Posted by Cyclic13

If it isn't already obvious by now...

We co-create our own realities...

Ignore the flamers...

They flame because they lack the spark to start their own fires so they latch onto and condescend on already lit ones...

That is all...

"The gigantic catastrophes that threaten us today are not elemental happenings of a physical or biological order, but psychic events. To a quite terrifying degree we are threatened by wars and revolutions which are nothing other than psychic epidemics. At any moment several millions of human beings may be smitten with a new madness, and then we shall have another world war or devastating revolution. Instead of being at the mercy of wild beats, earthquakes, landslides, and inundations, modern man is battered by the elemental forces of his own psyche."
-Carl Jung

I've already pretty much stopped believing in other peoples ideas and i'm just following what i believe, what i think could happen, etc.

It's weird, i dunno what it was, i guess time. But i stopped paying attention to this stuff, and because of that i figured out alot of things about people. Also, like you said, ignore the flaming, what do they know? are they some type of super genious that reads stuff from a book that was from someone else, in time they get proved wrong, it's all a circle. I used to get frusterated here because i was an easily believer in the believers, and the non believers, i never asked myself "why", and now that i am free from this hurdle i find it's so much better this way. The way people can look at things they possible can't understand is mind boggling, we do not know everything, yet everything seems to have an answer followed by people laughing at you thinking you are a retard because that's what they believe. Well good for you genious, if you know everything then go on and become the ultimate brain in the history of humanity.
Anyway, i just pretty much laugh at those kind of people now and continue on with life, instead of trying to make their ego bigger.

This is what space would look like if the NWO controls the disclosure.