Thread: The UFO Hoax!

Since my disclosure project thread went to the shitters, I want to reintroduce why the topic of UFO disclosure is the most important topic today. In fact, UFO disclosure would affect every aspect of life, from religion, to science, to politics, to how we live.

The first points I want to talk about are

1. Understanding the phenomenon is real
2. Understanding the state of the USA
3. Understanding the Disclosure Project

The phenomenon is real. To say UFOs don't exist, is ignorance. How real is it? Well, I've got news for many americans on this board, OTHER LEADERS OF OTHER NATIONS HAVE ALREADY DISCLOSED "UFO'S ARE REAL!!!!!". Please keep in mind, by UFO we mean, UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECT.

There is a REASON why the USA, has not disclosed the reality of UFO's. Someone, someone, someone, wants to keep it secret.

Now, this brings up number 2. Why does the government want to keep UFOs secret? Why does the President or Congress want to keep it secret from us? Well, part of the problem with this question is you are assuming. . .the government knows. When I mean the government, I mean FOR THE PEOPLE BY THE PEOPLE. Right? Because were american, we vote, and we have democracy. And our democracy is our government.

Well, you live in the stone ages if you really think we are that democratic. But the point us, OUR GOVERNMENT, is who we elect. Such as Congress and the President. And, they don't have any more idea on this subject matter than we do. Who ever knows in the government is completely outside of democratic control. But to say its the government, the US government that knows, isn't really true either.

Who is it?

'Who is it' is who is in control of the American people. Who is it, is who is in control of our economy. Who is it, is who is ever in control of our media. And lord help you, if you honestly believe we have free press!

And this 'Who', we can simply call the power elite. And they do not belong to the USA, anymore than they belong to any other nation. They are a transnational many making power.

Now, let's take a re-look at the Disclosure Project. The Disclosure Project has in its mist - military and government personal who want the UFO phenomenon disclosed. Okay, sounds simple enough right! They just want to let the American government, the American democracy that is, our President and the Congress the reality of the UFO phenomenon. March over there and tell them!! America is meant to be a democracy, we can not be a democracy if those who are not under our vote keep secrets from us.

Well, why can't these poor military and government personel, who have this top secret information, who have worked on top secret projects related to UFOs disclose this information, to the Democratic government they claim to be under?????

Because they live in fear of the Power Elite. You're not going to read about this on their website in depth. They're trying not to scare away people. But their books go into greater lengths discussing the power elite, and why so many, from NASA scientists, to military leaders, and this and that are TERRIFIED to come out in the open and discuss these matters.

Because if they do, they risk their life. They will be threatened, murdered, their families are in danger, and they just don't have the balls to go through with it. So you also have to understand, why the Disclosure Project is gathering so many military and goverment, and NASA people - safety in numbers.

Now we have come to the big question.

Who wants to kill them if they disclose this information, and why??

Let's first go back to the UFO's. Now if we assume all UFOs are alien in nature, the why part becomes, well odd. You would have to start assuming things about an alien race you aren't even sure exists.

Since we don't know at this point if aliens are visiting us, and if they are, its ignorant to assume too much about how their minds work. Here is what we do know...HUMAN NATURE.

Let's go back to those UFO's. Let's listen to the military personnel, who make a huge amazing claim. "HUMAN'S MADE AND DRIVE THOSE UFO'S". This changes the whole picture.

Why is it so significant that humans are the ones creating and running UFOs , well at least as the Disclosure Project is concerned, most of them. *Some are still very alien*. To understand why it is so significant we have to look at what a UFO means in terms of scientific and technological break through.

For one, most people would argue "Well if its human thats why its kept secret. Obviously, its apart of the military and its secret for security reasons"

Thats very true!! In fact, the personnel in the Disclosure Project agree. INITIALLY, there was a security issue with this delicate technology, and it was made secret. . . initially. . .

The truth is today, it has nothing to do with security. Except the security that the power elite will remain in power.

According to many sources that have documented these UFO's, they are maneuvering in such incredible ways, in such incredible speeds, it would be impossible to run such a vehicle on, fossil fuels.

....................

Bingo!

We have come to a small conclusion, just one small conclusion that the Disclosure Project has unearthed why the UFO phenomenon is secret. Because, those vehicles are not running on fossil fuels. This is also why, it is not necessarily a 'government' secret. It is a secret being held up by the power elite. An powerful group of men, more powerful than any government alone. A powerful group of men, who answer to no one. A powerful group of men, who can scare the shit out of military leaders.

How they have infiltrated the American government is a complicated story. But you need only to understand that the cold wars created fear. That created the idea that we need to keep secrets. That government personnels need to keep secrets..FROM EACH OTHER. So the government kept secrets from itself - creating divisions in it. Divisions which are now, outside of the control of democracy.

Divisions now apart of the power elite, with.....FREE ENERGY TECHNOLOGY.

And all those commercials with 'solar power and wind energy, yay!' are a JOKE. Those energies are JOKE, compared to the energy systems that human UFOs are already using. . . Free Energy.
To disclose the UFO phenomenon, is to disclose free energy. That is why it is the most important topic, as the Disclosure Project feels, today.

You are living in the stone ages if you think modern society can last much longer without such free energy. We can't. We are going to collapse if we remain on fossil fuel any longer. Not only that, but our greed will cause suffering around the world. As poorer nations are feeling the blow of our fossil fuel greed.

This is not a joke cooked up by crazy conspiracy theorists in the UFO nutty community. The Disclosure Project involves real NASA scientists, real military leaders, real political leaders. The Disclosure Project has made briefings for congress. And they need the American people to know, we are losing democracy!!

But here is a big question proposed Dr. Greer, organizer of the Disclosure Project. How can this power elite, keep this technology secret from the world, in a time when it most disparately needs it? How can they sit on this technology knowing, it can change the world forever? Even end global starvation and poverty?

It would take many years for Dr. Greer to unearth the answer. Which is more shocking than anything have to do with aliens. Something he has only talked about in his books, and not in any of his public conversations. This power elite is up to something very frightening. But thats for another post! I gotta go to work!

Free energy is impossible sorry. :/

Energy is always conserved; never created.

And the US government is funding the fusion reactor in France which will potentially develop virtually limitless energy supplies.

Where is the evidence for any of this.

Originally Posted by Xei

Free energy is impossible sorry. :/

Energy is always conserved; never created.

Thats if you still believe in your high school sciences. You know, there are many things we do not know about the nature of our univers. If you understand that there are most likely many dimensions to this univers (like string theorist are trying to prove), the amount of possibilities out there are MORE than infinite. We don't even understand gravity yet, one of the most basic forces. When you think about it, gravity IS free energy. If you keep a clump of matter in space, it will attract other objects (therefore creating a force, a form of energy) for as long as that matter exists. I could go on for pages about this, but I hope you understand my point of view.

Originally Posted by VoyageurNocturne

Thats if you still believe in your high school sciences. You know, there are many things we do not know about the nature of our univers. If you understand that there are most likely many dimensions to this univers (like string theorist are trying to prove), the amount of possibilities out there are MORE than infinite. We don't even understand gravity yet, one of the most basic forces. When you think about it, gravity IS free energy. If you keep a clump of matter in space, it will attract other objects (therefore creating a force, a form of energy) for as long as that matter exists. I could go on for pages about this, but I hope you understand my point of view.

Yeh, and extracting that "free energy" from gravity is easy too. Wrap a string around the shaft of a generator and tie the other end to a nice heavy weight, and drop the weight while supporting the generator. The weight pulls the string and turns the generator, producing FREE ENERGY!!!.... oh wait, the weight just hit the ground, now what? Oh.... you have to find another energy source to raise it back up against the force of gravity.

Originally Posted by Forsaken

Yeh, and extracting that "free energy" from gravity is easy too. Wrap a string around the shaft of a generator and tie the other end to a nice heavy weight, and drop the weight while supporting the generator. The weight pulls the string and turns the generator, producing FREE ENERGY!!!.... oh wait, the weight just hit the ground, now what? Oh.... you have to find another energy source to raise it back up against the force of gravity.

What if you had a self sustaining wormhole that acted like a funnel in space? Then you could drop that rock along the edge of the worm hole and it would fall continuously like pennies in one of these things;


Perhaps this scenario is a bit far fetched, but all I mean to say is that humans tend to have a very limited perspective on what is and is not possible.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

What if you had a self sustaining wormhole that acted like a funnel in space? Then you could drop that rock along the edge of the worm hole and it would fall continuously like pennies in one of these things;


Perhaps this scenario is a bit far fetched, but all I mean to say is that humans tend to have a very limited perspective on what is and is not possible.

What you describe is called an "orbit". If you take kinetic energy out of an object that is orbiting another mass, it will go to a lower orbit, continually getting lower till the too masses meet. The same as the penny in the funnel gets lower and lower as friction saps away it's kinetic energy. You've simply made a simple dropping weight unnecessarily complicated by bending it's fall into a spiral instead of a straight line, it still winds up falling in.

Originally Posted by Xei

Free energy is impossible sorry. :/

I wouldn't cite it as impossible. Just currently beyond our realm of understanding. I'm not saying it exists but saying that free energy is impossible is damning something completely unknown in our current stage of evolution.

Isn't Quantum vacuum something like free energy?

Thats if you still believe in your high school sciences. You know, there are many things we do not know about the nature of our univers. If you understand that there are most likely many dimensions to this univers (like string theorist are trying to prove), the amount of possibilities out there are MORE than infinite. We don't even understand gravity yet, one of the most basic forces. When you think about it, gravity IS free energy. If you keep a clump of matter in space, it will attract other objects (therefore creating a force, a form of energy) for as long as that matter exists. I could go on for pages about this, but I hope you understand my point of view.

Well at least I've actually done 'high school science'.

1. A force is not a form of energy. A force multiplied by the distance over which it acts is equal to the work done.
2. The energy gained by the acceleration in a gravitational field is the conversion of potential gravitational energy to kinetic energy. This potential energy in turn required kinetic energy, which was supplied in the big bang. The total amount of energy does not change.
3. Multiple spacial dimensions in string theory do not somehow suggest a violation of the first law of thermodynamics. Neither do they suggest 'more that infinite possibilities'. They are just a mathematical model of observed reality, and energy is never observed to be created, so there is no reason to believe it ever should be.

I wouldn't cite it as impossible. Just currently beyond our realm of understanding. I'm not saying it exists but saying that free energy is impossible is damning something completely unknown in our current stage of evolution.

The truth of its impossibility is as true as anything can possibly be, second only to mathematical proof. To argue against T1 with the amount evidence that there is for it is just absurd.

Isn't Quantum vacuum something like free energy?

No, that is the minimum energy possible for a volume of space; therefore it can't be 'extracted' for plain reasons.

Originally Posted by Xei

The truth of its impossibility is as true as anything can possibly be, second only to mathematical proof. To argue against T1 with the amount evidence that there is for it is just absurd.

Do you think you have it all figured out? I try and error on the side of caution by citing the notion of "free energy" as a possibility. A possibility beyond human reach right now but a possibility nonetheless.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Do you think you have it all figured out? I try and error on the side of caution by citing the notion of "free energy" as a possibility. A possibility beyond human reach right now but a possibility nonetheless.

Do you REALLY need to say that on DV? tons of people think they have it all figured out and know that everything that needs to be known, is already known. Reason why i stopped listening to what people have to say here.

As for the story...free energy and the powerfull group...why can't the people just find them and take them out? there is billions of us, and so little of them. We gotta suck if a small group of people can wipe out billions.

Originally Posted by Xei

Well at least I've actually done 'high school science'.

I have a f-ing B. Sc. in biology, starting my masters. Don't condescend me! Open your mind to the possibilities was the point I was trying to get across. Your blind if you think everything you learn in school is true. Read up on the Prussian school system, and you'll understand where our school systems come from. Its a big brainwash machine. Sure, some of the stuff you learn is true. like math, language, history... stuff we invented. But the big point is to form a society that will do what there told and believe any bullshiat that the authority gives them.

There was a time popular thought was not able to believe the earth was round. That changed.
We live in an era, where popular thought is that energy can't be created.... just wait, we'll be proven wrong one day.

I don't think this planet has ever been visited by aliens ever, except the organic material from space. In order to have life everything has to be just right, so they would be light years from us, and they would have to be very smart, and where a species on this planet in 1 out of billions, that is a very small chance, so it would be rare that they would be as intelligent as us, but you could always say that the shear amounts of species possible on a life supportive planet could make that more possible.

I however think there could be planets that have traces of bacteria like creatures on other planets, that we might someday find, those will be the first aliens.

Oh and of-course we have free press, who would say otherwise, and there is no one above government, if that was implied

I have a f-ing B. Sc. in biology

What do you want, a biscuit?

Strange you should say that because my biology teacher yesterday used the term 'kinetic potential energy' and when I asked her what 'the energy level of an enzyme in the ETC' actually means in physical terms she had no idea.

You need hardly any knowledge of physics to get a BSc in biology, and your 'appeal to degree' completely fails to distract anybody from your failure to repair the damage done by your exposition of your woefully inadequate understanding of basic physical concepts such as the law of conservation of energy, or the difference between energy and a force.

Don't condescend me! Open your mind to the possibilities was the point I was trying to get across. Your blind if you think everything you learn in school is true. Read up on the Prussian school system, and you'll understand where our school systems come from. Its a big brainwash machine. Sure, some of the stuff you learn is true. like math, language, history... stuff we invented. But the big point is to form a society that will do what there told and believe any bullshiat that the authority gives them.

There was a time popular thought was not able to believe the earth was round. That changed.
We live in an era, where popular thought is that energy can't be created.... just wait, we'll be proven wrong one day.

I'm studying three sciences and maths and further maths, and I can check that everything is true by searching the internet, which is not filtered by Google in the UK. What in particular have I been lied to about?

As I said, the first law of thermodynamics currently holds status as a statement of the highest form of physical truth, so why question it without any evidence?

Also,

your; the thing that belongs to you
you're; you are

You don't have a BSc in English at any rate.

What if you had a self sustaining wormhole that acted like a funnel in space? Then you could drop that rock along the edge of the worm hole and it would fall continuously like pennies in one of these things;

I thought you were doing a degree in physics?

Yes the object would continue moving, with equal kinetic energy to that which you provided it with in the first place. It isn't 'falling', is it, if there is no up or down or gravitational force (+what forsaken said).

im sorry but im not going to waste my time arguing with anyone here whether or not free energy is real. if you want to get more specific, the energy the Disclosure Project is - zero-point-energy.

Can't you read? Why did you make this thread if you are going to ignore everybody who tries to show you evidence to the contrary? You realise that kind of behaviour makes you a lunatic? Here it is again:

No, that [zpe] is the minimum energy possible for a volume of space; therefore it can't be 'extracted' for plain reasons.

they do not exist and free energy isn't real.

The only reason you are vetoing discussions about free energy is because you know in the back of your mind that it is complete bollocks and your understanding of physics is so poor that the slightest argument would ruin your fragile state of doublethink.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

I wouldn't cite it as impossible. Just currently beyond our realm of understanding. I'm not saying it exists but saying that free energy is impossible is damning something completely unknown in our current stage of evolution.

Our evolution has shit-little to do with it. Mankind doesn't need to evolve to get further in science. There is no reason we couldn't find out everything that we could ever find out if we 'evolved further', given enough time.

Basically, it's pretty certain, with the laws of physics we do already know, that we can truly create 'infinity energy' / energy from nothing. However, in theory a schoolbus has enough energy for a few thousand years of human civilization. I just really doubt we ever find a way to (effectively) 'harvest' all the energy that in theory would in theory come from matter if it is annihilated.

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Oh, as far for the rest of the post, juroara is totally wacky. There is no reason why extremely important technology wouldn't leak out. Governments are incompetent as fuck, they can't keep secrets. And 'UFOs' in the alien-sense. lol. Sure. Pretty unlikely. Why the fuck would aliens fuck around? Why would governments fuck around? Why would governments give a shit about all of this? They have enough money as it is.

Case closed until some proper non-biased evidence is supplied.

Basically, it's pretty certain, with the laws of physics we do already know, that we can truly create 'infinity energy' / energy from nothing.

No.

Originally Posted by Neruo

Oh, as far for the rest of the post, juroara is totally wacky. There is no reason why extremely important technology wouldn't leak out. Governments are incompetent as fuck, they can't keep secrets. And 'UFOs' in the alien-sense. lol. Sure. Pretty unlikely. Why the fuck would aliens fuck around? Why would governments fuck around? Why would governments give a shit about all of this? They have enough money as it is.

Case closed until some proper non-biased evidence is supplied.

you didn't read my post

I said it wasn't the government keeping it a secret. I said it was the power elite. the government would feel a responsibility towards its nation if it has a new energy source

who would then keep this free energy a secret? not the government

whom did I say it was keeping it secret, the power elite.

Just watched from the chick to the end of the disclosure meeting, pretty fuckin intresting! if this is true my god...and almost all the 57 species they have found is humanoid. God i hope this is true, this would be better then stargate atlantis.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Just watched from the chick to the end of the disclosure meeting, pretty fuckin intresting! if this is true my god...and almost all the 57 species they have found is humanoid. God i hope this is true, this would be better then stargate atlantis.

Google: "Clifford Stone Heinz 57"

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Google: "Clifford Stone Heinz 57"

He's in the disclosure project meeting. Youtubed him, now watching. I have no idea if this group is telling the truth or not, there is so many of them so i'm keeping an open mind and just trying to fantasize how much we could benefit from all of this. Free energy? goodbye energy bills! nomore paying for cable, or satallite and you can keep the lights on all night every night.


Hmm a few minutes of him. Ahwell, intresting that the UFO made everything stop working untill it left, i would have just blasted them away to tim buck two but that's why i am a primitive mind, and they are far advanced minds.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Just watched from the chick to the end of the disclosure meeting, pretty fuckin intresting! if this is true my god...and almost all the 57 species they have found is humanoid. God i hope this is true, this would be better then stargate atlantis.

the 57 species part is something I have trouble swallowing. such a bold statement and I hope they are able to back it up in the future. my biggest concern is, if we do have captured deceased alien in glass jars, how does this make humanity look to the rest of space? certainly, in nearly all of our cultures, if another country denies us to bury our own dead we would view that as a less than friendly act.

if what is being said is true, then this could be one reason why there is no 'first contact' as we know it. who wants to make first contact with a hostile lets-shoot-anything-that-flies and then chop up their dead race?? or worse, maybe they weren't even dead yet???

hoax, lies, money. regardless, I think the disclosure project still brings up some good points. one that I like is, we need to consider the possibility we are being visited, as has Canada, UK, Japan, Brazil and other countries - and if we are being visited we need some system to ensure our own safety and to ensure a friendly first contact. so chopping up intelligent visitors and keeping them locked up in a bunker some where, would be a hostile no-no.

sorry, I didn't have time to waste reading the rest of your post. thanks for stopping by!

Actually the disclosure project is full of crap and consequently so are you, QED. [see above]

Congratulations, you get the doublethinking douchebag of the week award.

And the US government is funding the fusion reactor in France which will potentially develop virtually limitless energy supplies.

Yeah, I heard about that. However, nuclear fusion has alot of problems and I really don't see it becoming real in the next fifty years. Saying that science is working really fast, look at computers. I might be wrong.

Free energy is impossible sorry. :/

Energy is always conserved; never created.

On this forum there is a bunch of people who believe that Tesla is some sort of god and created free energy, also Einstein is wrong.

According to many sources that have documented these UFO's, they are maneuvering in such incredible ways, in such incredible speeds, it would be impossible to run such a vehicle on, fossil fuels.

Sorry, but alot of stuff doesn't run on fossil fuel, for example rockets and airplanes.

Who is it, is who is ever in control of our media. And lord help you, if you honestly believe we have free press!

Actually we have. If you ever read a chinese newspaper or written a blog dissing China in China, then you will discover how free you our. I pretty sure the power elite won't come and get you for this thread.

Why is it so significant that humans are the ones creating and running UFOs , well at least as the Disclosure Project is concerned, most of them. *Some are still very alien*. To understand why it is so significant we have to look at what a UFO means in terms of scientific and technological break through.

This is silly. Sorry, but this has been known since 1950's, theres alot of videos of the US trying to make UFO's, I don't know about today.

America is meant to be a democracy, we can not be a democracy if those who are not under our vote keep secrets from us.

Compare to Zimbabwe, you our democratic. This is just mindless speculation.

Even end global starvation and poverty?

How the hell is free energy going to do this? How the hell can you have free energy without breaking all the known laws of physics?

There is a REASON why the USA, has not disclosed the reality of UFO's. Someone, someone, someone, wants to keep it secret.

Have you considered the possibillity that there is no UFO's, thats why they didn't disclose it.

I think you should just stick with art.

Originally Posted by wendylove

How the hell is free energy going to do this? How the hell can you have free energy without breaking all the known laws of physics?

by breaking all the laws of physics. is that too mind blowing for you?

the Disclosure Project talks more about it