Thread: The UFO Hoax!

If that is true one day everyone will be staying asleep, and in our dreams it will be like we are really awake and going on with our lives, our feelings, and all of that. We wont wake up untill we are dead, and we will not have known what's really happening because we are sleeping for our whole lives.
Anyway, i think it's pretty obvious the government has some secret technology hidding away from the public that only a few know to the most trusted people so nobody leaks anything.

In the religious community, it is believed that these evil demonic greys are the fallen angels. They, come, from SATAN. Its important to keep in mind, this sort of idea has been programmed INTENTIONALLY.

ROFL i can just see it now...we think this and the aliens look down upon us and go "pfft this species is stupid let's go home"

Originally Posted by juroara

taken from their website

FOR CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS & LEGISLATION

• The Disclosure Project is a non-profit research effort that has, since 1993 when it began as Project Starlight, been identifying top-secret military, government and other witnesses to UFO and Extraterrestrial events.
  
  
• To date, several hundred such witnesses have been identified throughout the world and spanning every branch of the armed services, the NRO, DIA, CIA, NASA, the former USSR, and other agencies and countries. Over 100 have been videotaped, thus far; 70 have been transcribed into edited testimony. A four hour videotape summary of testimony and an over 500 page briefing document is available that contains excerpts of this historic testimony.
  
  
• The weight of this testimony, along with supporting government documents and other evidence, establishes beyond any doubt the reality of extraterrestrial life forms, UFOs, or extraterrestrial vehicles, and advanced energy and propulsion technologies resulting from the study of these vehicles.
  
  
• The testimony and evidence proves that these vehicles have been tracked on radar on many occasion, have landed and/or crashed on terra firma, and have been retrieved and studied by specialized and compartmentalized projects. Advanced technologies which have been identified from the study of these vehicles, once disclosed, will replace currently used forms of energy generation and propulsion. These technologies will enable the Earth to attain a sustainable civilization without pollution, energy shortages, or global warming. These technologies are already fully operational. They have been developed within super-secret, unacknowledged special access projects. In short, the definitive solution to the world's energy, pollution, and poverty problems exists within compartmentalized projects that need planned disclosure and relevant legislation.
  
  
• The programs controlling this issue are operating outside of legally required Congressional oversight. Even Presidents have been left out of the loop, deliberately deceived, and denied access. Therefore, urgent action is needed on the part of Congress, the White House, and other institutions to obtain the necessary oversight and control of these operations to ensure that these now-classified technologies are prepared for disclosure and the eventual near-term application for world cooperative energy generation and propulsion.
  
  
• A clear and on-going threat to the national security and world peace has arisen because of unauthorized covert actions that have led to the targeting and downing of these extraterrestrial vehicles and to related covert plans to weaponize space. Since it can be proven that we are sharing space with other civilizations, it is critical that a full disclosure of this long suppressed information take place, and that the National Missile Defense System (NMD/BMD/SDI.) be re-evaluated by policy makers in light of these revelations.
  
  
• There is no evidence that these extraterrestrial civilizations are hostile to humanity or the Earth. Rather, the testimony shows that they are very concerned about nuclear and space-based weapons systems, and human warfare. Therefore, a cooperative world policy and law must be immediately established to prohibit the targeting and striking of these vehicles.
  
  
• Urgent Congressional, White House and UN action is needed to allow any and all witnesses to testify under oath so that a full, honest and open disclosure may occur this year, 2001, including witnesses with high level security clearances.
  
  
• A US Presidential Executive Order is needed to protect these military, government, and other witnesses, and to declassify secret projects and their related technologies.
  
  
• The world community needs to research and develop diplomatic programs and protocols, laws and treaties to address this issue and to interface with these civilizations in a manner that is peaceful, non-violent and mutually beneficial.

WE, THE PEOPLE, CALL ON THE U.S. CONGRESS:

• To hold open, secrecy-free hearings on the UFO / Extraterrestrial presence on and around Earth.
  
  
• To hold open hearings on advanced energy and propulsion systems related to the subject that, when publicly released, will provide solutions to global environmental and other challenges.
  
  
• To enact legislation which will ban all space-based weapons.
  
  
• To enact comprehensive legislation to research, develop and explore space peacefully and cooperatively with all cultures on Earth and in space.

they want to DISCLOSE, not tell stories

Looks like bull but what do i know of these things? you are damned if you do, or damned if you don't.

I suppose we'll have to wait till October 14th and see if the aliens get cold feet or not

Originally Posted by Jeff777

I suppose we'll have to wait till October 14th and see if the aliens get cold feet or not

We should start a thread.

Originally Posted by Xei

Well at least I've actually done 'high school science'.

I have a f-ing B. Sc. in biology, starting my masters. Don't condescend me! Open your mind to the possibilities was the point I was trying to get across. Your blind if you think everything you learn in school is true. Read up on the Prussian school system, and you'll understand where our school systems come from. Its a big brainwash machine. Sure, some of the stuff you learn is true. like math, language, history... stuff we invented. But the big point is to form a society that will do what there told and believe any bullshiat that the authority gives them.

There was a time popular thought was not able to believe the earth was round. That changed.
We live in an era, where popular thought is that energy can't be created.... just wait, we'll be proven wrong one day.

I don't think this planet has ever been visited by aliens ever, except the organic material from space. In order to have life everything has to be just right, so they would be light years from us, and they would have to be very smart, and where a species on this planet in 1 out of billions, that is a very small chance, so it would be rare that they would be as intelligent as us, but you could always say that the shear amounts of species possible on a life supportive planet could make that more possible.

I however think there could be planets that have traces of bacteria like creatures on other planets, that we might someday find, those will be the first aliens.

Oh and of-course we have free press, who would say otherwise, and there is no one above government, if that was implied

I have a f-ing B. Sc. in biology

What do you want, a biscuit?

Strange you should say that because my biology teacher yesterday used the term 'kinetic potential energy' and when I asked her what 'the energy level of an enzyme in the ETC' actually means in physical terms she had no idea.

You need hardly any knowledge of physics to get a BSc in biology, and your 'appeal to degree' completely fails to distract anybody from your failure to repair the damage done by your exposition of your woefully inadequate understanding of basic physical concepts such as the law of conservation of energy, or the difference between energy and a force.

Don't condescend me! Open your mind to the possibilities was the point I was trying to get across. Your blind if you think everything you learn in school is true. Read up on the Prussian school system, and you'll understand where our school systems come from. Its a big brainwash machine. Sure, some of the stuff you learn is true. like math, language, history... stuff we invented. But the big point is to form a society that will do what there told and believe any bullshiat that the authority gives them.

There was a time popular thought was not able to believe the earth was round. That changed.
We live in an era, where popular thought is that energy can't be created.... just wait, we'll be proven wrong one day.

I'm studying three sciences and maths and further maths, and I can check that everything is true by searching the internet, which is not filtered by Google in the UK. What in particular have I been lied to about?

As I said, the first law of thermodynamics currently holds status as a statement of the highest form of physical truth, so why question it without any evidence?

Also,

your; the thing that belongs to you
you're; you are

You don't have a BSc in English at any rate.

What if you had a self sustaining wormhole that acted like a funnel in space? Then you could drop that rock along the edge of the worm hole and it would fall continuously like pennies in one of these things;

I thought you were doing a degree in physics?

Yes the object would continue moving, with equal kinetic energy to that which you provided it with in the first place. It isn't 'falling', is it, if there is no up or down or gravitational force (+what forsaken said).

im sorry but im not going to waste my time arguing with anyone here whether or not free energy is real. if you want to get more specific, the energy the Disclosure Project is - zero-point-energy.

Can't you read? Why did you make this thread if you are going to ignore everybody who tries to show you evidence to the contrary? You realise that kind of behaviour makes you a lunatic? Here it is again:

No, that [zpe] is the minimum energy possible for a volume of space; therefore it can't be 'extracted' for plain reasons.

they do not exist and free energy isn't real.

The only reason you are vetoing discussions about free energy is because you know in the back of your mind that it is complete bollocks and your understanding of physics is so poor that the slightest argument would ruin your fragile state of doublethink.

Originally Posted by Xei

Can't you read? Why did you make this thread if you are going to ignore everybody who tries to show you evidence to the contrary? You realise that kind of behaviour makes you a lunatic? Here it is again:

I am not going to argue

1. whether or not UFOs are real. THEY ARE REAL. the only question is WHO.
and
2. the science behind the UFOs because it supposed to be advanced science NOT in any text book. NOT taught at universities

do you think this so strange?

its not the first time in human history the newest discoveries in science are only known by the elite

again, I am only discussing the disclosure project. I am not going to waste my time arguing over something that we can not argue over because it would be mere speculation. neither of us are in the in the loop.

Once more. T1 holds status as the highest form of physical truth available to man.

UFOs holds status as a bunch of unproven ancedotes which is much lower than a law.

Free energy isn't real.

Your suggested free energy technology is impossible and a total layman's misunderstanding of physics.

Originally Posted by Xei

Also,

your; the thing that belongs to you
you're; you are

You don't have a BSc in English at any rate.

OK seriously, this is really starting to piss me off!

Premièrement,
La raison pour laquelle mon anglais n'est pas parfait est que ma première langue est la langue française. Peux-tu lire ceci? Si oui, bravo! Mais sache que j'ai du travailler fort pour apprendre l'anglais; j'ai donc droit à quelques erreurs d'inattention.

Deuxièmement,
Tu réalise que tout ce que je voulait faire, c'est laisser savoir à tous le monde participant à la discussion qu'on doit garder un esprit ouvert quand on touche à de tels sujets. Tu ne laissais même pas la chance aux autres d'avoir leurs opinions. Le "disclosure project" existe vraiment, tu penses que c'est toutes une grosse blague ou quoi? Laisses les autres en parler et laisses leurs le droit de croire à d'autres possibilités s'ils le veulent!

Je te trouve ignorant. D'ailleurs, je peut voir par la façon que tu as essayer de sonner super intelligent avec tes gros mots en anglais et de m'abaisser d'avantage que tu souffre d'un complexe de supériorité intellectuelle. Je sais que pour maintenir un si haut niveau de fausse confiance en soi on doit abaisser les autres autour de nous. Tu le démontres clairement ici. Mais ça va, je te le pardonne. Quand t'auras la tête désenfler de tes succès scolaires et que t'auras parvenu à t'ouvrir les yeux, de sortir de l'illusion que tu vies... on se reparlera.

Pour l'instant, je te suggère fortement d'arrêter de te moquer de moi et des autres dans ce thread.

Want me to translate?

Originally Posted by VoyageurNocturne

OK seriously, this is really starting to piss me off!

Premièrement,
La raison pour laquelle mon anglais n'est pas parfait est que ma première langue est la langue française. Peux-tu lire ceci? Si oui, bravo! Mais sache que j'ai du travailler fort pour apprendre l'anglais; j'ai donc droit à quelques erreurs d'inattention.

Deuxièmement,
Tu réalise que tout ce que voulait faire, c'est laisser savoir à tous le monde participant à la discussion qu'on doit garder un esprit ouvert quand on touche à de tels sujets. Tu ne laissais même pas la chance aux autres d'avoir leurs opinions. Le "disclosure project" existe vraiment, tu penses que c'est toutes une grosse blague ou quoi? Laisses les autres en parler et laisses leurs le droit de croire à d'autres possibilités s'ils le veulent!

Je te trouve ignorant. D'ailleurs, je peut voir par la façon que tu as essayer de sonner super intelligent avec tes gros mots en anglais et de m'abaisser d'avantage que tu souffre d'un complexe de supériorité intellectuelle. Je sais que pour maintenir un si haut niveau de fausse confiance en soi on doit abaisser les autres autour de nous. Tu le démontres clairement ici. Mais ça va, je te le pardonne. Quand t'auras la tête désenfler de tes succès scolaires et que t'auras parvenu à t'ouvrir les yeux, de sortir de l'illusion que tu vies... on se reparlera.

Pour l'instant, je te suggère fortement d'arrêter de te moquer de moi et des autres dans ce thread.

Want me to translate?

I take back what I said...before edit =P.

The price I have to pay for attempting to educate...

Juroara the penny is finally dropping for some. We need more people aware though. Don't give up.

Originally Posted by Xei

The price I have to pay for attempting to educate...

This has nothing to do with you educating us "laymen". You're being disrespectful and closed minded. Thats the problem I have with you.

You insulted my ability to write in english before knowing that it's my second language. Why did you do it? Did it have anything to do with the discussion.... NO IT DID NOT. So why did you do it. Did it make you feel superior to me? Did you feel better about yourself? What? You think that just because of that everyone will go:

"HEY , THIS GUY JUST TOLD THIS KID HE CAN'T WRITE IN ENGLISH! THEN HE MUST BE RIGHT ABOUT THAT ENERGY THING. THAT WAS SUCH A GOOD WAY TO ARGUMENT A POINT!"

This was suppose to be a discussion, a debate. But to convince people, you need to give them reasons to believe you. Telling them the way they think is STUPID will never get them on your side. What did you hope it was all going to do?

Telling them the way they think is STUPID will never get them on your side. What did you hope it was all going to do?

You realise that is exactly what these free energy conspiracists are doing, and exactly what I am not doing?

T1 holds status as the highest level of physical truth and I've explained that zero point energy extraction is a misunderstanding of the concept.

Free energy isn't real, and that statement is the surest statement we can possibly make (except mathematical proof), so what's with the conspiracy? :\

Originally Posted by Xei

Your suggested free energy technology is impossible and a total layman's misunderstanding of physics.

thats right Xei. You are right. I'm sorry for making a thread that should every offend you suggesting that a new scientific break through is being withheld from the public because of special interests relating to the control of the economy, because this brand new technology would decentralize the power hold of the oil industry and change the shape of the economy as we know it

its not like the oil companies are greedy! they are loving compassionate people who only want what is best for the earth! everyone knows, they have never murdered/threatened scientists and they have never black shelved such brand new shiny energy technologies!

you are right in saying our understanding of science is 100% accurate without flaws and without bias, because scientists are godly beings with no bias at all. and its not like there are scientists that work for the oil industry! we know everything there is to know about the universe and everything we will ever know about the universe and how it goes 'round right now. we will never make break throughs in science suggesting our previous understanding is inaccurate, despite that history tells us this is a norm.

and for what ever reason, this thread is about MY understanding of physics and nothing to do with what USA military/government/and NASA personnel are supposedly saying about that which is being withheld. in fact, this whole free energy zero-point energy business. I MADE IT UP!

anyways, can we move on, because some how I feel I've had this conversation with you before?

because I would like to get the thread back into focus and talk more about the men in the Disclosure Project, and what they are saying, who they are, are they hoodwinking us and why? YES, THE CONSPIRACY. Again, there is no point arguing about free energy. If you want to argue, argue to me about the men in the Disclosure Project. What is their aim by saying such free energy technology is already out there? Or even, by saying they themselves have seen it/worked on it?

Out of curiosity, have you had the chance to watch their first speech?

thats right Xei. You are right. I'm sorry for making a thread that should ever offend you

It didn't.

suggesting that a new scientific break through is being withheld from the public because of special interests relating to the control of the economy,

It isn't.

its not like the oil companies are greedy! they are loving compassionate people who only want what is best for the earth! everyone knows, they have never murdered/threatened scientists and they have never black shelved such brand new shiny energy technologies!

Oil companies supress alternative fuels > Free energy is possible

Does not follow.

you are right in saying our understanding of science is 100% accurate without flaws and without bias,

If I had ever said it I would have been wrong. Fortunately I never said that (ie. the above quote is a downright lie; if otherwise quote me where I did).

because scientists are godly beings with no bias at all.

They aren't.

One little extra; scientists are highly biased towards any evidence at all of free energy because it could well make them one of the most famous and richest people on the planet.

I think it's fair to call this a considerable incentive. Yet there's no free energy at the moment.

and its not like there are scientists that work for the oil industry!

Yes, every scientist works for the oil industry, congratulations on your sophisticated world view.

we know everything there is to know about the universe and everything we will ever know about the universe and how it goes 'round right now.

We don't.

we will never make break throughs in science suggesting our previous understanding is inaccurate, despite that history tells us this is a norm.

We will.

and for what ever reason, this thread is about MY understanding of physics and nothing to do with what USA military/government/and NASA personnel are supposedly saying about that which is being withheld. in fact, this whole free energy zero-point energy business. I MADE IT UP!

By the very definition of zero point energy, yes, you did indeed. Free ZPE is a contradiction of terms.

anyways, can we move on

Yes, continue building extravagant theories upon a false axiom. A couple of analogies spring to mind. We could create the axiom that 2 + 2 = 5. We could then go on to create an entire system of mathematics which was logically consistent in itself but ultimately wrong. Also, we could try to assemble a skyscraper without a ground floor. Both of these activities are pointless.

because I would like to get the thread back into focus and talk more about the men in the Disclosure Project, and what they are saying, who they are, are they hoodwinking us and why? YES, THE CONSPIRACY. Again, there is no point arguing about free energy. If you want to argue, argue to me about the men in the Disclosure Project. What is their aim by saying such free energy technology is already out there? Or even, by saying they themselves have seen it/worked on it?

There have been a huge multitude of instances in the past of people who have claimed to have created free energy and shown to either be frauds or just mistaken. To answer your question, the majority of these people steal money from gullible investors.

T1 still holds status as the highest level of physical truth that man can attain.

alrighty, let's start with the video that is on youtube!!

now from what I understand this video is actually for sale. but the dr. greer realizes what a great thing the internet is for spreading stuff around. so after seven years they have made no intent on taking down the video. you can still today, watch all two hours. or if you want, search youtube for key speakers.

forget the actor in the opening speech, dr. greer is the first man you want to pay attention to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

according to this video and according to the website, dr. greer has briefed a lot of important people concerning the UFO phenomenon, black covert projects and the technology they sit on. he goes into details on whom he has briefed in his books and what were the results. including known presidents.

there are a number of speakers in the video ranging from different offices, from military to nasa. and the website has letters recieved from the white house.

now my biggest question is, if this is a hoax - why hasn't anyone done anything to greer for telling lies about all the important people he has supposedly briefed? why haven't the named presidents and other political leaders come forward and said "no, he has not briefed us, he is a crazy man!". if you know of any of this, please post it.

now a lot of people believe the men in the disclosure projoect is real, but that dr. greer, its leader is a nut job. He's just completely outside of the box I say! even the UFO community doesn't like him. actually, many in the UFO community HATE him.

what is dr. greers objective for 2001, during the time they gave their first speech, and do you sense anything sinister in it? in 2001, dr.greers biggest concern was the weaponization of space. do you mistrust this goal and why?

the disclosure project as early as 2001 had asked people to write to their members of congress and others in the white house to let them know about the disclosure project. they also wanted to know what members of the white house were thinking about the issue. so they asked people to submit the responses. most responses were positive, but take little action other than 'ill keep it in mind'. some were negative and others were completely vague.


http://www.disclosureproject.org/res...rge-W-Bush.jpg

http://www.disclosureproject.org/res...g-fax_file.jpg

http://www.disclosureproject.org/res...amar-Smith.jpg

http://www.disclosureproject.org/res...vid-Dreier.jpg

http://www.disclosureproject.org/res...-L-Thurman.jpg

http://www.disclosureproject.org/res...-McConnell.jpg

you can look at all of the responses on the disclosure project website
http://www.disclosureproject.org


as for my earlier comment about other nations disclosing. by disclosing I mean opening up their own UFO files for the public to see, rather than saying "its just a bunch of weather balloons". I am from the US OF A, if you are from this country you tell me!

that includes, brazil
http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=4618

UK
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topic...8&parent_id=20

Ireland
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-13463985.html

And Former Canadian Minster of Defense is pushing for hearings
http://www.disclosureproject.org/For...Yahoo!News.htm

a hearing is the first step before disclosure, which is what the disclosure project is trying to do for america

thoughts? hoax? real mean? the truth? secret agenda? what is it?

xei you didn't answer my question if you have watched the video

you really can't discuss disclosure project if you first don't watch their infamous video on youtube. at least thats free! otherwise you would have to pay money for either their books or purchased videos

again in 2001, their first aim was to
1. push for congressional hearing to disclose that UFOs exist
2. stop the weaponization of space

Turn To Cnn Guys, Breaking News - Homeland Security Just Admitted That They Have Seen Saucers That Were Not Ours Or Another Country's And They Are Doing An Investigation Into It.

Originally Posted by juroara

alrighty, let's start with the video that is on youtube!!

now from what I understand this video is actually for sale. but the dr. greer realizes what a great thing the internet is for spreading stuff around. so after seven years they have made no intent on taking down the video. you can still today, watch all two hours. or if you want, search youtube for key speakers.

forget the actor in the opening speech, dr. greer is the first man you want to pay attention to

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vyVe-6YdUk

according to this video and according to the website, dr. greer has briefed a lot of important people concerning the UFO phenomenon, black covert projects and the technology they sit on. he goes into details on whom he has briefed in his books and what were the results. including known presidents.

there are a number of speakers in the video ranging from different offices, from military to nasa. and the website has letters recieved from the white house.

now my biggest question is, if this is a hoax - why hasn't anyone done anything to greer for telling lies about all the important people he has supposedly briefed? why haven't the named presidents and other political leaders come forward and said "no, he has not briefed us, he is a crazy man!". if you know of any of this, please post it.

now a lot of people believe the men in the disclosure projoect is real, but that dr. greer, its leader is a nut job. He's just completely outside of the box I say! even the UFO community doesn't like him. actually, many in the UFO community HATE him.

what is dr. greers objective for 2001, during the time they gave their first speech, and do you sense anything sinister in it? in 2001, dr.greers biggest concern was the weaponization of space. do you mistrust this goal and why?

the disclosure project as early as 2001 had asked people to write to their members of congress and others in the white house to let them know about the disclosure project. they also wanted to know what members of the white house were thinking about the issue. so they asked people to submit the responses. most responses were positive, but take little action other than 'ill keep it in mind'. some were negative and others were completely vague.


http://www.disclosureproject.org/res...rge-W-Bush.jpg

http://www.disclosureproject.org/res...g-fax_file.jpg

http://www.disclosureproject.org/res...amar-Smith.jpg

http://www.disclosureproject.org/res...vid-Dreier.jpg

http://www.disclosureproject.org/res...-L-Thurman.jpg

http://www.disclosureproject.org/res...-McConnell.jpg

you can look at all of the responses on the disclosure project website
http://www.disclosureproject.org


as for my earlier comment about other nations disclosing. by disclosing I mean opening up their own UFO files for the public to see, rather than saying "its just a bunch of weather balloons". I am from the US OF A, if you are from this country you tell me!

that includes, brazil
http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=4618

UK
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topic...8&parent_id=20

Ireland
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/ne...-13463985.html

And Former Canadian Minster of Defense is pushing for hearings
http://www.disclosureproject.org/For...Yahoo!News.htm

a hearing is the first step before disclosure, which is what the disclosure project is trying to do for america

thoughts? hoax? real mean? the truth? secret agenda? what is it?

I is watching video. It is funny with first man. Hahaha!... 2 and a half hours feels like too much time to waste on this though. /sigh.

Yeah I don't have 2 hours to waste.

Could you please just tell me how exactly the technology works and where they say that is how it works.

If they do not say how it works then they are talking bullshit and you would be blind not to see that; their whole mission is to release the information to the world, so I wonder why they aren't.

The disclosure project is phenomenal. Though they have lost big amounts of credibility with me some time ago. Dr. Greer constantly makes dates that the government said they are going to release everything, come on t.v. and say "Yeah aliens are real" and then it doesn't happen.

Originally Posted by Xei

Yeah I don't have 2 hours to waste.

Could you please just tell me how exactly the technology works and where they say that is how it works.

lol..nooo

go watch the video for yourself

if you aren't interested then don't enter the conversation