Thread: The UFO Hoax!

Free energy is impossible sorry. :/

Energy is always conserved; never created.

And the US government is funding the fusion reactor in France which will potentially develop virtually limitless energy supplies.

Where is the evidence for any of this.

And the US government is funding the fusion reactor in France which will potentially develop virtually limitless energy supplies.

Yeah, I heard about that. However, nuclear fusion has alot of problems and I really don't see it becoming real in the next fifty years. Saying that science is working really fast, look at computers. I might be wrong.

Free energy is impossible sorry. :/

Energy is always conserved; never created.

On this forum there is a bunch of people who believe that Tesla is some sort of god and created free energy, also Einstein is wrong.

According to many sources that have documented these UFO's, they are maneuvering in such incredible ways, in such incredible speeds, it would be impossible to run such a vehicle on, fossil fuels.

Sorry, but alot of stuff doesn't run on fossil fuel, for example rockets and airplanes.

Who is it, is who is ever in control of our media. And lord help you, if you honestly believe we have free press!

Actually we have. If you ever read a chinese newspaper or written a blog dissing China in China, then you will discover how free you our. I pretty sure the power elite won't come and get you for this thread.

Why is it so significant that humans are the ones creating and running UFOs , well at least as the Disclosure Project is concerned, most of them. *Some are still very alien*. To understand why it is so significant we have to look at what a UFO means in terms of scientific and technological break through.

This is silly. Sorry, but this has been known since 1950's, theres alot of videos of the US trying to make UFO's, I don't know about today.

America is meant to be a democracy, we can not be a democracy if those who are not under our vote keep secrets from us.

Compare to Zimbabwe, you our democratic. This is just mindless speculation.

Even end global starvation and poverty?

How the hell is free energy going to do this? How the hell can you have free energy without breaking all the known laws of physics?

There is a REASON why the USA, has not disclosed the reality of UFO's. Someone, someone, someone, wants to keep it secret.

Have you considered the possibillity that there is no UFO's, thats why they didn't disclose it.

I think you should just stick with art.

Originally Posted by Xei

Free energy is impossible sorry. :/

Energy is always conserved; never created.

Thats if you still believe in your high school sciences. You know, there are many things we do not know about the nature of our univers. If you understand that there are most likely many dimensions to this univers (like string theorist are trying to prove), the amount of possibilities out there are MORE than infinite. We don't even understand gravity yet, one of the most basic forces. When you think about it, gravity IS free energy. If you keep a clump of matter in space, it will attract other objects (therefore creating a force, a form of energy) for as long as that matter exists. I could go on for pages about this, but I hope you understand my point of view.

Originally Posted by Xei

Free energy is impossible sorry. :/

I wouldn't cite it as impossible. Just currently beyond our realm of understanding. I'm not saying it exists but saying that free energy is impossible is damning something completely unknown in our current stage of evolution.

Isn't Quantum vacuum something like free energy?

Thats if you still believe in your high school sciences. You know, there are many things we do not know about the nature of our univers. If you understand that there are most likely many dimensions to this univers (like string theorist are trying to prove), the amount of possibilities out there are MORE than infinite. We don't even understand gravity yet, one of the most basic forces. When you think about it, gravity IS free energy. If you keep a clump of matter in space, it will attract other objects (therefore creating a force, a form of energy) for as long as that matter exists. I could go on for pages about this, but I hope you understand my point of view.

Well at least I've actually done 'high school science'.

1. A force is not a form of energy. A force multiplied by the distance over which it acts is equal to the work done.
2. The energy gained by the acceleration in a gravitational field is the conversion of potential gravitational energy to kinetic energy. This potential energy in turn required kinetic energy, which was supplied in the big bang. The total amount of energy does not change.
3. Multiple spacial dimensions in string theory do not somehow suggest a violation of the first law of thermodynamics. Neither do they suggest 'more that infinite possibilities'. They are just a mathematical model of observed reality, and energy is never observed to be created, so there is no reason to believe it ever should be.

I wouldn't cite it as impossible. Just currently beyond our realm of understanding. I'm not saying it exists but saying that free energy is impossible is damning something completely unknown in our current stage of evolution.

The truth of its impossibility is as true as anything can possibly be, second only to mathematical proof. To argue against T1 with the amount evidence that there is for it is just absurd.

Isn't Quantum vacuum something like free energy?

No, that is the minimum energy possible for a volume of space; therefore it can't be 'extracted' for plain reasons.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

I wouldn't cite it as impossible. Just currently beyond our realm of understanding. I'm not saying it exists but saying that free energy is impossible is damning something completely unknown in our current stage of evolution.

Our evolution has shit-little to do with it. Mankind doesn't need to evolve to get further in science. There is no reason we couldn't find out everything that we could ever find out if we 'evolved further', given enough time.

Basically, it's pretty certain, with the laws of physics we do already know, that we can truly create 'infinity energy' / energy from nothing. However, in theory a schoolbus has enough energy for a few thousand years of human civilization. I just really doubt we ever find a way to (effectively) 'harvest' all the energy that in theory would in theory come from matter if it is annihilated.

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Oh, as far for the rest of the post, juroara is totally wacky. There is no reason why extremely important technology wouldn't leak out. Governments are incompetent as fuck, they can't keep secrets. And 'UFOs' in the alien-sense. lol. Sure. Pretty unlikely. Why the fuck would aliens fuck around? Why would governments fuck around? Why would governments give a shit about all of this? They have enough money as it is.

Case closed until some proper non-biased evidence is supplied.

Basically, it's pretty certain, with the laws of physics we do already know, that we can truly create 'infinity energy' / energy from nothing.

No.

Originally Posted by Xei

The truth of its impossibility is as true as anything can possibly be, second only to mathematical proof. To argue against T1 with the amount evidence that there is for it is just absurd.

Do you think you have it all figured out? I try and error on the side of caution by citing the notion of "free energy" as a possibility. A possibility beyond human reach right now but a possibility nonetheless.

Originally Posted by VoyageurNocturne

Thats if you still believe in your high school sciences. You know, there are many things we do not know about the nature of our univers. If you understand that there are most likely many dimensions to this univers (like string theorist are trying to prove), the amount of possibilities out there are MORE than infinite. We don't even understand gravity yet, one of the most basic forces. When you think about it, gravity IS free energy. If you keep a clump of matter in space, it will attract other objects (therefore creating a force, a form of energy) for as long as that matter exists. I could go on for pages about this, but I hope you understand my point of view.

Yeh, and extracting that "free energy" from gravity is easy too. Wrap a string around the shaft of a generator and tie the other end to a nice heavy weight, and drop the weight while supporting the generator. The weight pulls the string and turns the generator, producing FREE ENERGY!!!.... oh wait, the weight just hit the ground, now what? Oh.... you have to find another energy source to raise it back up against the force of gravity.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Do you think you have it all figured out? I try and error on the side of caution by citing the notion of "free energy" as a possibility. A possibility beyond human reach right now but a possibility nonetheless.

Do you REALLY need to say that on DV? tons of people think they have it all figured out and know that everything that needs to be known, is already known. Reason why i stopped listening to what people have to say here.

As for the story...free energy and the powerfull group...why can't the people just find them and take them out? there is billions of us, and so little of them. We gotta suck if a small group of people can wipe out billions.

Do you think you have it all figured out? I try and error on the side of caution by citing the notion of "free energy" as a possibility. A possibility beyond human reach right now but a possibility nonetheless.

I didn't realise a basic knowledge of physics qualified me as having worked out the meaning of life.

As I said. Energy can't be 'made', and that's as close to the truth as you can possibly get regarding physical reality, so there is nothing to argue about and no reason to believe that it's wrong.

Except wishful thinking, of course. And we all know that's the real reason.

Which is kind of odd considering we have sufficient technology already to give civilization all the energy it needs, sustainably.

As for the story...free energy and the powerfull group...why can't the people just find them and take them out?

Because they do not exist and free energy isn't real.

Is this the UFO you were talking about Jur?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5R_uNU...eature=related

Originally Posted by wendylove

How the hell is free energy going to do this? How the hell can you have free energy without breaking all the known laws of physics?

by breaking all the laws of physics. is that too mind blowing for you?

the Disclosure Project talks more about it

Originally Posted by Neruo

Oh, as far for the rest of the post, juroara is totally wacky. There is no reason why extremely important technology wouldn't leak out. Governments are incompetent as fuck, they can't keep secrets. And 'UFOs' in the alien-sense. lol. Sure. Pretty unlikely. Why the fuck would aliens fuck around? Why would governments fuck around? Why would governments give a shit about all of this? They have enough money as it is.

Case closed until some proper non-biased evidence is supplied.

you didn't read my post

I said it wasn't the government keeping it a secret. I said it was the power elite. the government would feel a responsibility towards its nation if it has a new energy source

who would then keep this free energy a secret? not the government

whom did I say it was keeping it secret, the power elite.

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Is this the UFO you were talking about Jur?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5R_uNU...eature=related

the only video the disclosure project has posted on you tube is their meeting

im sorry but im not going to waste my time arguing with anyone here whether or not free energy is real. if you want to get more specific, the energy the Disclosure Project is - zero-point-energy.

the fact is, the Disclosure Project them self is trying to DISCLOSE THIS TECHNOLOGY TO CONGRESS. they swear by it under oath!

there is no burden of proof that I can give you or to anyone. that is not up to me. all I am saying is wake up and realize who makes up the Disclosure. Men, more important and influential than you.

Why would they lie to congress that they have this technology? UNDER OATH? threatening their careers and their lives? Again, this is not a conspiracy. This is a reality that these men are wanting to disclose this information AND TECHNOLOGY to congress.

UFOs are not hallucinations entirely. People who use to say that was true it's too late you're already discredited for not taking it seriously in the first place.

So now we know the earth is round.

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Actually we have. If you ever read a chinese newspaper or written a blog dissing China in China, then you will discover how free you our. I pretty sure the power elite won't come and get you for this thread.[/]

I never said I wasn't free. I said we have no free press. I said we are losing democracy. We are losing democracy because special interest groups are finding loop holes to control/manipulate the government. That includes, keeping important scientific ground breaking secrets from our government that can revolutionize the world.

Break throughs have been black shelved many times. And many scientists have been threatened our bought out. Actually, not just threatened, murdered.


[quote]This is silly. Sorry, but this has been known since 1950's, theres alot of videos of the US trying to make UFO's, I don't know about today.[/]

yes, your correct in saying it started a long time. It's been almost 60 years! What makes you think after 60 years, they are still trying?

How the hell is free energy going to do this?

I'll talk more about this later. In short, free energy will decentralize the power of oil companies. Free energy is so cost effecient. You would only have to pay for the 'generator'. You wouldn't have to pay a penny after that. The implications after that are endless!

Have you considered the possibillity that there is no UFO's, thats why they didn't disclose it.

Thats like asking if I have ever considered the possibility if other planets are real. UFOs are reality. I am not going to waste my time arguing over this with you. You are in stone ages if you honestly every person, every government, ever mass eye witness account of UFOs is a lie.

OTHER GOVERNMENTS HAVE ALREADY DISCLOSED!!!!

HOW MUCH MORE CAN I EMPHASIZE THIS REALITY??

Anyways, will you guys let me move this conversation forward? If you can't get over the idea of UFOs being a reality, too bad, go away. I would like to continue the conversation of the implications of why it has been kept secret. And more importantly, the UFO hoax!

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

So now we know the earth is round.

and germs cause disease...so what?

Originally Posted by juroara

Thats like asking if I have ever considered the possibility if other planets are real. UFOs are reality. I am not going to waste my time arguing over this with you. You are in stone ages if you honestly every person, every government, ever mass eye witness account of UFOs is a lie.

Have you perhaps, then, considered that the U.S. doesn't disclose information about "UFOs" because in the U.S. UFOs are U.S. military crafts, while UFOs in other countries are crafts from countries other than the ones they are spotted in?

Besides, you're being stupid saying we disbelieve all claims, we don't think UFOs don't exist, we just don't think it is aliens from another planet...

Originally Posted by juroara

OTHER GOVERNMENTS HAVE ALREADY DISCLOSED!!!!

Youtube has some videos of people who worked with the government saying they knew about the aliens too. I have no way of knowing if that person really worked with them, or just some made up stuff though. Not saying yours is made up, just these US government people are probably all made up phoning in to radio shows or doing on air talks.

Originally Posted by Forsaken

Yeh, and extracting that "free energy" from gravity is easy too. Wrap a string around the shaft of a generator and tie the other end to a nice heavy weight, and drop the weight while supporting the generator. The weight pulls the string and turns the generator, producing FREE ENERGY!!!.... oh wait, the weight just hit the ground, now what? Oh.... you have to find another energy source to raise it back up against the force of gravity.

What if you had a self sustaining wormhole that acted like a funnel in space? Then you could drop that rock along the edge of the worm hole and it would fall continuously like pennies in one of these things;


Perhaps this scenario is a bit far fetched, but all I mean to say is that humans tend to have a very limited perspective on what is and is not possible.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

What if you had a self sustaining wormhole that acted like a funnel in space? Then you could drop that rock along the edge of the worm hole and it would fall continuously like pennies in one of these things;


Perhaps this scenario is a bit far fetched, but all I mean to say is that humans tend to have a very limited perspective on what is and is not possible.

What you describe is called an "orbit". If you take kinetic energy out of an object that is orbiting another mass, it will go to a lower orbit, continually getting lower till the too masses meet. The same as the penny in the funnel gets lower and lower as friction saps away it's kinetic energy. You've simply made a simple dropping weight unnecessarily complicated by bending it's fall into a spiral instead of a straight line, it still winds up falling in.

THE UFO HOAX
That is the odd scenario of human beings creating vehicles that defy 'the laws of physics' and pretend to be aliens. . . .

During the research of the Disclosure Project, which is over a decade in the making, slowly more pieces of the puzzle would surface.

For these initial posts I am not posting any evidence. I am merely summarizing the Disclosure Project and its findings, and its dire conclusion to the secrecy. This conclusion is not discussed on the website. They felt people weren't ready to hear the truth about the cabal.

For those of you who are more science orientated, you're gonna have to hang up the scientific method for a while. Right now this is more like the court of law. Testimony. First we examine the testimony. Are there others saying the say thing? Do all the testimonies add up, or do they contradict each other?

Then, after we get sufficient testimony and we can start asking for the hard core evidence to back up the testimony. YES THE DISCLOSURE PROJECT WANTS TO BACK UP THE TESTIMONY WITH HARD CORE EVIDENCE. This is their aim. They want to DISCLOSE, not just tell stories.

We can't ask for the hard core evidence yet, right now we are still in the testimony stage and having that testimony be heard by congress, and hopefully the newly elected president.

What does this testimony of both scientists and military personnel in top secret projects say? Virtually illegal abductions are being hoaxed.

The hoaxes started years ago. Initially with drugs, coming from a Nazi tradition. With drugs and a good hypnotist, you can make anyone believe anything - even being raped by Aliens. The testimony says, this has been going on since the 50's at the least. For two reasons

1. spread fear of aliens
2. discredit the entire UFO phenomenon by making people look CRAZY

Well, that was the 50's. The technology and the hoaxing techniques has much advanced. They now include life like scenarios that can fool anyone who is consciously awake. Again, this is under such top secret projects. But not necessarily the government!

When the 'power elite' thinks it is beneficial if a political leader fears aliens, gets who gets hoaxed? Political leaders.

Now, these hoaxers have also infiltrated the UFO community, as influential UFO theorists. So they can spread irrational fear based lies. Everything from human beings as genetic test subjects to altering our DNA to enslave us. These hoaxers also give money to the media and hollywood, to create stories and movies with nothing but negative views of aliens.

Remember when I talked about testimony? Is the testimony consistent among the Disclosure witnesses? It is. All of them say - what ever ET has visited earth, has been non-violent. This violent demonic image of ETs is a human fantasy creation.

To all those who have had terrifying abduction experiences, the disclosure news is, were sorry to say - those weren't aliens. THEY WERE HUMANS.

I've got a question. How many people as children ever had an ET nightmare? How many people as children, ever feared the image of a grey? Their agenda WORKED. Many people today feel negative towards the image of the grey and feel greys are 'bad' 'evil' 'demonic'.

What has this done for the religious community? And why is that important? It has everything to do with the hoaxers.

In the religious community, it is believed that these evil demonic greys are the fallen angels. They, come, from SATAN. Its important to keep in mind, this sort of idea has been programmed INTENTIONALLY.

I want to go back to one of the earlier questions that Greer proposed. What sort of human can possibly sit on life altering technology when the world is suffering and so desperately needs it? Now there are some in the power elite who were in it for, well MONEY, LOTS OF MONEY. But any power elite who was in it for the money, WANTS disclosure. They want disclosure, because they know, the modern world is threatening to collapse without a new energy source soon, and mass quantities of it. And if it falls apart, suddenly there is no one to buy their crappy mcd's and wallymart crap. Therefore, no more money.

So, Greer couldn't understand why, when new energy is so important, they can still sit on it?? The answer was, not everyone in the power elite was in it for money. Some have religion. This was his personal discovery, those in the power elite with strong religious faith.

Now the power elite has a history. They come from various groups. Money, power and secrecy has been important to them for centuries. One of these major key groups in the UFO hoaxing is, the Vatican.

And what is the drive, the aim, the goal, that which all devout Christians should look forward to? . . THE SECOND COMING!

Now understanding their view of the Second Coming is essential in light of this hoaxing. I can testify that this point of view is absolutely true having grown up a catholic myself. A catholic should look forward to the Second Coming even if it means world destruction. Even if it means. . .WWIII.

THEY'LL LOOK FORWARD TO IT!! They. look. forward. to. WWIII.

Because they believe, only after the world has shit on itself, will Christ return!! Ahh! the glory!!

But there are those who take this a step forward. Its NOT enough to simply wait for humanity to shit on itself, someone has to wear the devils glove and make it so.

What was Greers conclusion? What type of person can sit on earth saving technology as the world suffers? A person who believes the world is about to end anyways so who cares!!!!

Now the end-of-world-power-elitists have tried many things to spark a WWII. There are some believe this was Bush's real intention into entering the middle east. Because Bush, as a devout Christian, was secretly hoping to ignite WWIII.

But if human threat isn't enough to start launching nukes *since thankfully most world leaders know better than that*. Then we need A NEW THREAT!! And if humanity is not threatening enough - then - we'll create a threat. The alien threat. The evil demonic aliens who just want to destroy humanity for no damn good reason at all. Sound like a movie? It should. Because that was the idea they want to impregnate into us.

Do not take these religious power elite so likely. They have money. They have control. They have influence. The have secrets older than your grandma. And they have a religious dogma clouding their every judgment. Do you really think it strange for a powerful Christian to want to start a war? Look around you. There are many in the civilian area alone who, inwardly feel, we should start WWIII for Christ to return!

But unlike these Christians, these men can actually do something about it. Now with such advanced technology and ships that look alien, the Disclosure feels their ultimate agenda is to hoax a mass UFO attack. Now, not everyone in these top secret projects realize what the goal is! Most only know what they are working on. They don't have the big picture. The Disclosure Project feels they have unearthed the big picture through men who have unwittingly helped it. While they won't talk about it on their main videos, its talked about in the book. They feel the threat is real, and even if this bogus alien business doesn't work, they'll just come up with another clever plan. Until the power elite either dies of old age, and stops changes faith. Killing them is out of the question. They are the POWER ELITE for a reason.

The Disclosure Project wants to create a positive point of view of aliens, against the demonic point of view. As well as state, even if real aliens turn out to be hostile - we should always first welcome them with open arms, and only defend when necessary. Never strike first out of fear.

And according to the Disclosure Project, we have already attacked UFOs completely out of fear. Those crashes? You really think the aliens were drinking?


Why haven't aliens come out and say "HI!!" well um, many military men admit they were ordered to shot them. jeez, smart one guys!! Yeah, we look REAL friendly to the rest of the universe.

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I wanted to add that Dr. Greer is a very positive man. He is even against holding negative views about the Power Elite and any desire to kill them for keeping earth saving technology from the rest of humanity. He feels they are truly doing what they feel is the best interest, that is, bringing about the Second Coming of Christ.

He holds no hostility towards them and personally feels all people can change and do better. But thats the type of man he is! Greer is against fear based ideas and hate. That is why he has not shared his belief about the power elite wanting to cause millions to die with an alien hoax war.

But he does want people to be aware. Not afraid. Just aware. And ever vigilant and seeking the truth.

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My thread is weak in comparison to Dr. Greers words. I'll be quoting from his books in the near future, and hopefully that will be more enlightening on the subject matter.