Vote Bob Barr!

**spockman** · 10-24-2008 04:04 AM

Seriously. I'd like to see him in office. I knwo it really can't happen. But it would be nice. I hate a two party system...

I certainly don't agree with his more extreme platforms, but we all know that those are fairly inconsequential as we all know that he won't be able to 'get rid of the IRS' anyway.

The reason I'd like to see him as POTUS is because of all the candidates I really do see him fighting for states rights, scaling back of federalistic power, and not playing Big Brother.

Although de-regualtion and such is supposed to be supported by Republicans, such things have not been practices near to the degree that they should be by those conservatives. And the democrats in office openley support encroaching regulation.

Nixon, for example, took us off the gold standard partly so that the government could allegedley have more direct control of the cash influx. The Bush administration has taken it upon itself to trample all over state soveriengtey and make sure that they know as much about individual citizens as they can. Under Clinton, over-regulation of companies and corporations has played a large role in our economic fallouts of late.

We need someone that most people would find a little radical on the issues of federalistic power, de-regulation, and state rights. With someone pushing for perhaps too much on an issue, he may make some headway in the right direction as opposed to wishy-washiness on the republican side and outright opposition form the democrats.

I trust that Barr would try as hard as he can to get those things done when
hardly anyone else will.

BOB BARR!!!

**ninja9578** · 10-24-2008 05:05 AM

**blackjack** · 10-24-2008 06:53 AM

jk jk nah but really i respect it lol

**ninja9578** · 10-24-2008 03:32 PM

You're about 200 years too late. The US actually was a confederacy for about 20 years, it collapsed, as it would do now. And for those calling it a revolution, you can't have a revolution that's supported by .5% of the population. Civil rights and women suffrage were revolutions.

**Universal Mind** · 10-24-2008 10:21 PM

Excuse me if I am way off here, but doesn't Bob Barr generally stand for what Ron Paul stands for (except in a less whiney tone of voice)?

**Original Poster** · 10-24-2008 10:48 PM

Ugh... UM it's like you go start trek conventions just to call the people around you losers. And then you say shit like "Isn't Captain Picard just like Captain Kurk, but a better actor?"

Please do not repeat that expletive, OD ~MoS

**Grod** · 10-24-2008 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Ugh... UM it's like you go start trek conventions just to call the people around you losers.

Well yeah, you're both living in fantasy worlds. It's time to put up the pointy ears capn.

**spockman** · 10-25-2008 12:46 AM

Captain Kurk

Captain Kirk. Sorry...

You're about 200 years too late. The US actually was a confederacy for about 20 years, it collapsed, as it would do now. And for those calling it a revolution, you can't have a revolution that's supported by .5% of the population. Civil rights and women suffrage were revolutions.

My views are more moderate than Barr's and I certainly wouldn't call it a revolution. If you are reffering to the Articles of Confederation which failed because of no real federal power, now we are faced with the opposite problem. No case by case or subjective basis for the sake of the way laws work differently in different states, over-regulation, (from both major parties,) and lack of soverigntey.

Which is why I believe that it should be much more balanced than it is today. Shouldn't the combined power of the state congress' beat out that of national congress?

Excuse me if I am way off here, but doesn't Bob Barr generally stand for what Ron Paul stands for

I'm no expert on Paul, but the libertarian party is alot closer to the Republican party than it is to the democratic, but more extreme on what they do or do not believe.

**ninja9578** · 10-25-2008 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by spockman

I'm no expert on Paul, but the libertarian party is alot closer to the Republican party than it is to the democratic, but more extreme on what they do or do not believe.

Well yeah, they are the furthers right you can get.

Libertarians ................ Republicans .... Democrats ................. Green Party

**Descensus** · 10-25-2008 07:13 AM

Barr is imperfect (voting record isn't the most pretty) but I'd love to see him in office.

**spockman** · 10-25-2008 09:09 AM

Barr is imperfect (voting record isn't the most pretty) but I'd love to see him in office.

Exactly my sentiments.

**Universal Mind** · 10-25-2008 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Ugh... UM it's like you go start trek conventions just to call the people around you losers. And then you say shit like "Isn't Captain Picard just like Captain Kurk, but a better actor?"

Please do not repeat that expletive, OD ~MoS

Are you trying to be a master of dadaism or something? The Truly Senseless Thread is in Senseless Banter. The conversation you are trying to have with me should take place there. See you on the dance floor, Colonel Pumpkin Armadillo.

Originally Posted by Grod

Well yeah, you're both living in fantasy worlds. It's time to put up the pointy ears capn.

Bob Barr and Ron Paul are both libertarians (also in capital L in Bob Barr's case). Do you see the parallels? What are the big differences?

**Grod** · 10-26-2008 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Bob Barr and Ron Paul are both libertarians (also in capital L in Bob Barr's case). Do you see the parallels? What are the big differences?

My bad. I was making fun of OD as if he was at a Star Trek convention, which I equated to a Bob Barr presidency. I don't really know about Bob Barr, but I've heard that he's essentially like the good doctor Paul.

**Original Poster** · 10-26-2008 03:48 AM

The media tried to make Ron Paul look like Ross Perot to draw some association. He managed to replace Perot as the stereotype even though everything he says is spot on, so now people equate politicians with Ron Paul in order to draw the same association of failure.

**Man of Shred** · 10-26-2008 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by ninja9578

you can't have a revolution that's supported by .5% of the population.

Actually the american war for independance was only fought by less than 4% of the population. The rest sat in taverns and drank themselves stupid. It can happen again.

**drewmandan** · 10-26-2008 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by spockman

BOB BARR!!!

Are you willing to give up all those high-paying, low-risk government jobs? Are other Americans willing? Are postal workers going to allow themselves to be laid off? Are people on welfare going to be perfectly happy reentering the workforce? Are unions going to be willing to disband? Will you feel safe with a military of a few thousand troops?

There's no point, spockman. It's far, far, far too late for libertarianism. America must crumble before it can be rebuilt.

**ninja9578** · 10-26-2008 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by ranma187

Actually the american war for independance was only fought by less than 4% of the population. The rest sat in taverns and drank themselves stupid. It can happen again.

Those were the ones who fought, but most of the country supported the effort. No one supports the libertarians except for libertarians.

**Grod** · 10-27-2008 12:07 AM

Lol, not really. I already told you, it was 1/3 For, 1/3 Against, and 1/3 apathetic.

**drewmandan** · 10-27-2008 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by Grod

Lol, not really. I already told you, it was 1/3 For, 1/3 Against, and 1/3 apathetic.

So you're saying 1/3 of the population of the colonies rebelled in 1776 when the war was won?

**spockman** · 10-27-2008 12:20 AM

Are you willing to give up all those high-paying, low-risk government jobs? Are other Americans willing? Are postal workers going to allow themselves to be laid off? Are people on welfare going to be perfectly happy reentering the workforce? Are unions going to be willing to disband? Will you feel safe with a military of a few thousand troops?

There's no point, spockman. It's far, far, far too late for libertarianism. America must crumble before it can be rebuilt.

But those more radical issues won't get done at all, no matter how hard our POTUS pushes for it. So really, they are non-voting issues to be. Rather, his pushing so hard for abolishment of certain programs or policies may achieve them to be scaled back.

**Grod** · 10-27-2008 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by drewmandan

So you're saying 1/3 of the population of the colonies rebelled in 1776 when the war was won?

That's wrong, drewmandan. Common Sense made a good impact on the undecided third (also on the loyalists). Also, the war wasn't won in 1776 bud. That's the year the Dec of Indepence was drafted.

**drewmandan** · 10-27-2008 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by Grod

That's wrong, drewmandan. Common Sense made a good impact on the undecided third (also on the loyalists). Also, the war wasn't won in 1776 bud. That's the year the Dec of Indepence was drafted.

Quite right. 1783. Anyway, if 1/3 were against they would have fought. If they didn't, they were also apathetic.

**Grod** · 10-27-2008 12:45 AM

They did fight. Remember the battle of Kings Mountain? (even though they were totally pwned)

**drewmandan** · 10-27-2008 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by Grod

They did fight. Remember the battle of Kings Mountain? (even though they were totally pwned)

Geez...Yep. I guess this shows just how bad it is to get ones history from Mel Gibson movies.

**Xaqaria** · 10-27-2008 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by ranma187

Actually the american war for independance was only fought by less than 4% of the population. The rest sat in taverns and drank themselves stupid. It can happen again.

Except, that was a revolution against an overseas government that had very little time to prepare, and not much better military technology than the average citizen. Now we have an entrenched behemoth of a government with stockpiles of anti-civilian armaments waiting for anyone to step up. I'm not saying it can't happen; it will just take more than 4%.

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