Thread: Obama is sending 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan.

That is just for now. He is leaning toward sending a total of 30,000 more soldiers over time.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/185217?from=rss

Let's think back on all of the things that were said about U.S. involvement in the Middle East when Bush was the president. Things such as, "The insurgents are not terrorists. They are freedom fighters!" and, "We have a terrorism problem because we are on THEIR land (the Middle East)!" and, "It's a sovereign nation!" and, "Bush is a terrorist!" and, "Bush is a chickenhawk. You can't support a war unless you are a soldier yourself!" and so forth. The vast, vast majority of the people who said that stuff (not just here) were big time Obama supporters. Well, now Obama (who also has never served in the military) is doing what they were SO against. (Also, as we discussed in another thread, he is currently doing absolutely nothing to diminish troop levels in Iraq.)

What do you think of Obama's recent war decision? If you are against it, please express just how against it you are. Feel free to use name calling.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

What do you think of Obama's recent war decision? If you are against it, please express just how against it you are. Feel free to use name calling.

I'm confused as to why he is doing this and why we are even still in Iraq.
I voted for Obama but I'm not confortable with some of the decisions he has made (Hell, he needs to send those 17,000 to Dafur but that's a whole 'nutha topic).

He's a politician.

There's a big surprise.

Originally Posted by esfx

There's a big surprise.

What suprise? He announced the escalation of the war over a year ago.


Also, he WILL NOT END THE WAR IN IRAQ, THAT WAS A BLATANT LIE!

Remember when nixon was running the 2nd time? he ran saying he had a suprise plan to end the war in vietnam, then he escalated it to cambodia!!!

Obama is doing the same thing, claiming to have a plan to end the war in iraq, meanwhile escalating the afghan war.....


HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF, for sure.



I don't know what the hell is wrong with the world but they are in a trance like state, they worship obama blindly like hes the next jesus or something, reguardless of obamas policies all of his obamanuts follow without question.

Remember what happened last time we blindly followed a single leader?

Bush, the republicans worshipped him also blindly reguardless of policy...



Obama = Bush


I did NOT vote for obama, or mccain or anyone for that matter, every 4 years we have an elite selection, not an election, wake up people and stop falling for the oldest trick in the book.

I think America as we know it, is going to be destroyed during the obama administration, as it was being dismantled in the bush admin, and the clinton and the first bush, and regan...and SO on until woodrow wilson.

The moment woodrow wilsons hand signed the federal reserve and income tax acts, america was sold out...and ever since we have been fooled into an illusion of choice every 4 years.


Fuck Bush, Fuck Obama, Fuck Clinton, Fuck them all

They lie, and lie over and over again, but the thing which scares me the most....

Is this cult-like trance people are in with obama, it reminds me of the trance germans were in over hitler, hitler was an eloquent man who could just attract huge crowds.....eerily similar?


And for the record, to any obama supporters who are going to read this:

No, I am not a racist, I hate obama policies, not his skin color

No, I am not calling Obama hitler, but the comparisons are starkly similar and terrifying, they are two different men but have the same methods of politics.

Thats pretty obvious. Most people voted for him, because he was a 'charismatic' person. And they knew it. People didn't vote for him because of his politics.

Originally Posted by guerilla

HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF, for sure.

Fuck Bush, Fuck Obama, Fuck Clinton, Fuck them all

Indeed.

Originally Posted by SouthernGirl

I'm confused as to why he is doing this and why we are even still in Iraq.
I voted for Obama but I'm not confortable with some of the decisions he has made (Hell, he needs to send those 17,000 to Dafur but that's a whole 'nutha topic).

It's not suprising actually, since he covered sending more troops to Afghan
in all of his latter debates.

Originally Posted by juroara

his speeches bored me

I voted for him knowingly he had plans to send more troops into Afghanistan as he mentioned this OPENLY SEVERAL TIMES, it was no surprise unless you didn't pay attention to the presidential race

what comes after, thats the surprise!

It is not that it is a surprise. It is that it goes so much against what his most of his major supporters expressed for so long.

I am glad to see that a lot of the people in this thread are not the cult followers Guerilla talked about. A bunch of people here who talked against American involvement in the Middle East are being consistent by speaking against Obama's Afghanistan surge. Good deal.

By the way, I am not against the surge. I think it's probably a good idea. It just blows my mind that the anti-war sentiment has taken such a nose dive now that we have a Democrat in office.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Obama (who also has never served in the military)

I said that the wrong way. Bush was in the National Guard, but neither Bush nor Obama ever fought in a war. Are they "chickenhawks"?

I'm not sure what the news here is.

Originally Posted by Abra

This.

My point isn't about surprise.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

I'm not sure what the news here is.

Did you read the first post? Large numbers of people who acted adamantly opposed to U.S. involvement int the Middle East are cool with the fact that Obama is sending thousands of more troops to Afghanistan. Contradiction. Get it?

The fact that many of those people voted for Obama with knowledge that he was going to do that only helps support my point.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

My point isn't about surprise.



Did you read the first post? Large numbers of people who acted adamantly opposed to U.S. involvement int the Middle East are cool with the fact that Obama is sending thousands of more troops to Afghanistan. Contradiction. Get it?

The fact that many of those people voted for Obama with knowledge that he was going to do that only helps support my point.

i thought most people had a problem with Iraq rather than the whole middle east.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

i thought most people had a problem with Iraq rather than the whole middle east.

Bin Laden's letter says that the 9/11 attacks were fueled by our presence in the Middle East, including Saudi Arabia, where our presence is consentual. Because of that, a lot of people claim that if we get out of the Middle East, we won't have a terrorism problem. Ron Paul did a lot to influence that public opinion. Also, the stuff about "sovereign nation" and "freedom fighters" and so forth would also apply to Afghanistan.