Thread: Obama is sending 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

What do you think of Obama's recent war decision? If you are against it, please express just how against it you are. Feel free to use name calling.

I'm confused as to why he is doing this and why we are even still in Iraq.
I voted for Obama but I'm not confortable with some of the decisions he has made (Hell, he needs to send those 17,000 to Dafur but that's a whole 'nutha topic).

He's a politician.

There's a big surprise.

Originally Posted by SouthernGirl

I'm confused as to why he is doing this and why we are even still in Iraq.
I voted for Obama but I'm not confortable with some of the decisions he has made (Hell, he needs to send those 17,000 to Dafur but that's a whole 'nutha topic).

It's not suprising actually, since he covered sending more troops to Afghan
in all of his latter debates.

Originally Posted by esfx

There's a big surprise.

What suprise? He announced the escalation of the war over a year ago.


Also, he WILL NOT END THE WAR IN IRAQ, THAT WAS A BLATANT LIE!

Remember when nixon was running the 2nd time? he ran saying he had a suprise plan to end the war in vietnam, then he escalated it to cambodia!!!

Obama is doing the same thing, claiming to have a plan to end the war in iraq, meanwhile escalating the afghan war.....


HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF, for sure.



I don't know what the hell is wrong with the world but they are in a trance like state, they worship obama blindly like hes the next jesus or something, reguardless of obamas policies all of his obamanuts follow without question.

Remember what happened last time we blindly followed a single leader?

Bush, the republicans worshipped him also blindly reguardless of policy...



Obama = Bush


I did NOT vote for obama, or mccain or anyone for that matter, every 4 years we have an elite selection, not an election, wake up people and stop falling for the oldest trick in the book.

I think America as we know it, is going to be destroyed during the obama administration, as it was being dismantled in the bush admin, and the clinton and the first bush, and regan...and SO on until woodrow wilson.

The moment woodrow wilsons hand signed the federal reserve and income tax acts, america was sold out...and ever since we have been fooled into an illusion of choice every 4 years.


Fuck Bush, Fuck Obama, Fuck Clinton, Fuck them all

They lie, and lie over and over again, but the thing which scares me the most....

Is this cult-like trance people are in with obama, it reminds me of the trance germans were in over hitler, hitler was an eloquent man who could just attract huge crowds.....eerily similar?


And for the record, to any obama supporters who are going to read this:

No, I am not a racist, I hate obama policies, not his skin color

No, I am not calling Obama hitler, but the comparisons are starkly similar and terrifying, they are two different men but have the same methods of politics.

Thats pretty obvious. Most people voted for him, because he was a 'charismatic' person. And they knew it. People didn't vote for him because of his politics.

Originally Posted by Alric

Thats pretty obvious. Most people voted for him, because he was a 'charismatic' person. And they knew it. People didn't vote for him because of his politics.

Thats what people did in the 1920's when they voted in Adolf Hitler.

They voted for hitlers charisma, his talent in public speaking, and his energy to gather enormous crowds.

Same goes for mr. obama, they voted for his charisma and talent in public speaking, and voted because they are in a trance state, or should I call it a hitler supporter mindset.

Originally Posted by guerilla

Thats what people did in the 1920's when they voted in Adolf Hitler.

They voted for hitlers charisma, his talent in public speaking, and his energy to gather enormous crowds.

Same goes for mr. obama, they voted for his charisma and talent in public speaking, and voted because they are in a trance state, or should I call it a hitler supporter mindset.

That's a very bold statement.

I voted for Obama in full realization of what I had done. I don't recall being in some sort of trance state. I do however recall wanting more diplomacy in America's foreign policy. Wanting more funding for alternative energy and other green technology research. Wanting an economic policy that does not rely on the generosity of some of the greediest people in America (Trickle Down Economics is a failure). Wanting our social services to provide adequate coverage for all citizens.

Now I am aware that we all voted for "different reasons" however I am willing to concede that a large amount (democrats, republicans and independants) voted because they were "hungry for change". Thats the bottom line, not sure where you've gotten that trance stuff from.

Originally Posted by stonedape

He's a politician.

Originally Posted by guerilla

Thats what people did in the 1920's when they voted in Adolf Hitler.

They voted for hitlers charisma, his talent in public speaking, and his energy to gather enormous crowds.

Same goes for mr. obama, they voted for his charisma and talent in public speaking, and voted because they are in a trance state, or should I call it a hitler supporter mindset.

Wow, big fucking surprise.

He always said that he'd do that. This is not a shock. He wants to fight a war on terrorism, not oil or power. There are real terrorists in Afghanistan, I've been saying that for along time.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

That's a very bold statement.

I voted for Obama in full realization of what I had done. I don't recall being in some sort of trance state. I do however recall wanting more diplomacy in America's foreign policy. Wanting more funding for alternative energy and other green technology research. Wanting an economic policy that does not rely on the generosity of some of the greediest people in America (Trickle Down Economics is a failure). Wanting our social services to provide adequate coverage for all citizens.

Now I am aware that we all voted for "different reasons" however I am willing to concede that a large amount (democrats, republicans and independants) voted because they were "hungry for change". Thats the bottom line, not sure where you've gotten that trance stuff from.

I understand your point of view but I just disagree with nearly 99% of obamas policies, like I disagreed with bushes policies 100% and I disagreed with clintons policies, and just about every other president before that until andrew jackson.

To me, Andrew Jackson is the epitome of what a presidency should be, on the other hand thomas jefferson was a hypocrit, pledging small government while trying himself to increase the scope and power of the government for the executive branch, we as a nation have always had problems with presidents grabbing for power, even jefferson took advantage as a so called conservative libertarian.


So really, no matter who we vote for, they all go back on their promises, even jefferson, and especially bush and obama.

Obama's promises were unrealistic to begin with, none of them are probably achieveable, in the end its going to make him look like 1 big fat liar, which really blows, I don't want to see my country fail, I want to see it succeed as well.

But when you vote for a communist like Obama, you are not going to get good change, you are going to get commie change, and im not kidding.

National socialization is underway of our banks, citi is now government owned, and so is bank of america, federally owned....

The path to socialism mixed with communism is well set ahead of us, and we need to stop it and steer ourselves back to a free market.

The market we currently have is not free at all, in fact the free market has been restrained ever since the Federal reserve system was in place in 1913.

They hinder the free market, and let stocks crash, then they blame it on the free market to make the people buy into their fiat fractional reserve credit system, we then eventually got off the gold standard...another mistake which was done purposefully under the nixon administration.


But I think I've gone off track and off topic, I just believe Obama will hurt this nation very badly.

Originally Posted by guerilla

I understand your point of view but I just disagree with nearly 99% of obamas policies, like I disagreed with bushes policies 100% and I disagreed with clintons policies, and just about every other president before that until andrew jackson.

To me, Andrew Jackson is the epitome of what a presidency should be, on the other hand thomas jefferson was a hypocrit, pledging small government while trying himself to increase the scope and power of the government for the executive branch, we as a nation have always had problems with presidents grabbing for power, even jefferson took advantage as a so called conservative libertarian.


So really, no matter who we vote for, they all go back on their promises, even jefferson, and especially bush and obama.

Obama's promises were unrealistic to begin with, none of them are probably achieveable, in the end it going to make him look like 1 big fat liar, which really blows, I don't want to see my country fail, I want to see it succeed as well.

But when you vote for a communist like Obama, you are not going to get good change, you are going to get commie change, and im not kidding.

National socialization is underway of our banks, citi is now government owned, and so is bank of america, federally owned....

The path to socialism mixed with communism is well set ahead of us, and we need to stop it and steer ourselves back to a free market.

The market we currently have is not free at all, in fact the free market has been restrained ever since the Federal reserve system was in place in 1913.

They hinder the free market, and let stocks crash, then they blame it on the free market to make the people buy into their fiat fractional reserve credit system, we then eventually got off the gold standard...another mistake which was done purposefully under the nixon administration.


But I think I've gone off track and off topic, I just believe Obama will hurt this nation very badly.

LOL

Look up "The Trail of Tears"

Oh I know about that, im not that history blind.

Andrew Jackson did bad, but what I meant that his presidency itself was great, he stopped the national us bank from being formed, which was pretty much a federal reserve of those days, he stopped the central bankers from winning in his presidency and to me that means THE WORLD.

Though I too am not quite sure about Mr. Obama, consider McCain's presidency. Would it have been any better?

Ron Paul was the only candidate filled with win, but he lost.

his speeches bored me

I voted for him knowingly he had plans to send more troops into Afghanistan as he mentioned this OPENLY SEVERAL TIMES, it was no surprise unless you didn't pay attention to the presidential race

what comes after, thats the surprise!

Originally Posted by juroara

his speeches bored me

I voted for him knowingly he had plans to send more troops into Afghanistan as he mentioned this OPENLY SEVERAL TIMES, it was no surprise unless you didn't pay attention to the presidential race

what comes after, thats the surprise!

It is not that it is a surprise. It is that it goes so much against what his most of his major supporters expressed for so long.

I am glad to see that a lot of the people in this thread are not the cult followers Guerilla talked about. A bunch of people here who talked against American involvement in the Middle East are being consistent by speaking against Obama's Afghanistan surge. Good deal.

By the way, I am not against the surge. I think it's probably a good idea. It just blows my mind that the anti-war sentiment has taken such a nose dive now that we have a Democrat in office.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Obama (who also has never served in the military)

I said that the wrong way. Bush was in the National Guard, but neither Bush nor Obama ever fought in a war. Are they "chickenhawks"?

I'm not sure what the news here is.

Originally Posted by guerilla

HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF, for sure.

Fuck Bush, Fuck Obama, Fuck Clinton, Fuck them all

Indeed.

LOL! Yeah, I doubt many of Obama's supporters even knew what they were supporting. How many of them actually followed the election and watched the debates?


Apparently very few.

Oh well, their loss.

Originally Posted by juroara

I voted for him knowingly he had plans to send more troops into Afghanistan as he mentioned this OPENLY SEVERAL TIMES, it was no surprise unless you didn't pay attention to the presidential race

This.

Originally Posted by Abra

This.

My point isn't about surprise.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

I'm not sure what the news here is.

Did you read the first post? Large numbers of people who acted adamantly opposed to U.S. involvement int the Middle East are cool with the fact that Obama is sending thousands of more troops to Afghanistan. Contradiction. Get it?

The fact that many of those people voted for Obama with knowledge that he was going to do that only helps support my point.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

My point isn't about surprise.



Did you read the first post? Large numbers of people who acted adamantly opposed to U.S. involvement int the Middle East are cool with the fact that Obama is sending thousands of more troops to Afghanistan. Contradiction. Get it?

The fact that many of those people voted for Obama with knowledge that he was going to do that only helps support my point.

i thought most people had a problem with Iraq rather than the whole middle east.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

I don't recall being in some sort of trance state.

If you're in a trance state you'd never really be aware of it. We all go in and out of trance states all the time.