Thread: Swine flu.

Originally Posted by blade5x

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...,25.488281&z=5

Google map of the Swine Flu. It is showing up everywhere. Looking at this map actually makes me very worried. But thank God I live in the country with the best health care available.

I clicked on about 10 of the confirmed cases on this map, and didn't see a single case of someone actually dying from this disease. Everyone I clicked on ended up making a full recovery.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

Yeah why do you say flu pandemics take out 20-40 year olds?

It was stated that in Mexico, the majority that died were in that age range

Originally Posted by Xei

To rectify a few misconceptions: yes, this flu does do more damage to those with strong immune systems, actually. It was the case in the 1918 flu too. Basically the flu caused the host's own immune system to turn on themselves, so that's why those with stronger immune systems died.

And no, this really isn't an overreaction. I'm afraid all of you who are saying that have been moddycoddled by modern society and fortuitous circumstances. The threat of extremely devastating viruses is very real and much more important than the rubbish that normally makes the headlines.

You'll have to explain that one.

QFT. I don't think this is an overreaction, we are badly due for a pandemic and this next pandemic is gonna be killing a lot more than the 1918 flu, so, yes, more than 50 million people

Originally Posted by guerilla

I personally believe this is being fearmongered to draw our attention away from the bush admin investigations, how convenient of an outbreak at such a convenient time for the current admin.

I do believe this flu is bad, I have read that this flu is a mixture of: Human, bird, and swine flu.

Which brings the question up, can that happen naturally? I don't think so

I call this flu the "Designed in a lab Flu"

I'm no doctor but to me its dead obvious this was lab created and released in multiple countries to spread fear and panic among the world.

You beat me to it. I don't have the article link, but, a French newspaper is reporting that the flu escaped from a lab being worked on by some US scientists. Whether it was on purpose or not, I have no clue, but, as you mentioned, I find it a bit difficult to believe that human, avian and swine are all involved in the swine flu. I think there explanation on TV was that birds would poop in the pig's pen, he'll eat it and then you'll have a human contracting it from the pig such as the case of the four year old in Mexico who I should say survived it while people with much stronger immune systems died from it

Originally Posted by hellohihello

Oh dang Walms, you are from Mexico right? Watch out.

I was gonna be making a thread wondering how all the Mexicans on this forum are doing and the only Mexican that came to mind was Walms

Originally Posted by DuB

I clicked on about 10 of the confirmed cases on this map, and didn't see a single case of someone actually dying from this disease. Everyone I clicked on ended up making a full recovery.

It's because everyone who has it in the US and Canada has a mild case of the swine flu unless in Mexico where the cases are pretty extreme

Well there has only been 8 cases of death from it, and since all but 1 were in Mexico. And I think everyone questions how accurate Mexico is in that sort of thing, and we wonder how good their treatment really is.

Originally Posted by Alric

Well there has only been 8 cases of death from it, and since all but 1 were in Mexico. And I think everyone questions how accurate Mexico is in that sort of thing, and we wonder how good their treatment really is.

I think two people from California,not to far from where I live, died "supposedly " from Swine flu, it was not confirmed. I think it's terribly hyped. Everyone should practice good hygiene anyways IE: Wash your hands, cough in your shirt or something, and if you suddenly have it, don't go anywhere.

Originally Posted by juroara

oh oh! I get it!

we need to off the human population, because were so bloody overpopulated....so noble! why don't you start by offing yourself?



or do you think we should only off poorer nations, since they are the ones who will suffer the most from any epidemic?

how easy and pathetic it is for you to condemn the poor to death, while you sit comfortable behind a computer

our population is not the cause of global warming or other disasters to our world. its our way of life.

we are a part of nature, and we are the result of nature. nature is the one that gave us the ability to create the technical world that we live in. it is our human nature, and it is nature, that we have done so

does nature pass judgement on those that destroy??

did it pass judgment on the trees that helped cause a mass extinction when the trees poisoned the herbivores? did it pass judgment on the rain, when the rain didn't come and thousands of miles of rain forest - millions of life forms, were swallowed up by a barren desert?

the idea that nature keeps a happy little balance for all its life forms, is bull crap.Nature shows no compassion, as its life forms are caught in a never ending cycle of consuming each other.

The picture has yet to end, and it's not going to end because of man.

Nature can go on just fine with just the bees and flowers. It needs no mammal or birds, or reptiles, or fish.

Change is the only constant. Even if the change is mass extinction.

But who can say that millions of life forms ceasing to exist is wrong? Can nature pass this judgment? It's only MANKIND that passes judgment

Its only mankind that says mass extinction is wrong!

Just as wishing for half the population (or any part of the population) to die a miserable death is wrong. It's not going to save nature. It's not going to save the Earth. It's not even going to change our lifestyle!

Who do you think that half of the population will be?

Half the world is already dying from something. And it is, and will continue to be, the POORER HALF.

Did the starving in africa stop americans from destroying rain forests so they can gorge on hamburgers?

It doesn't matter what you reduce the population to. Half the world suffering hasn't stopped our greedy way of life. So half the world disappearing, won't stop our greedy way of life. Becuase it will be the most richest people who live!!

Consumerism has made us greedy, fat, and ignorant.

Consumerism, the kind we see today was artificially implented, and very carefully implented with subliminal messages - for the benefit of the few. At the cost of the majority!

We've even been manipulated into believing that this consumerism is the best way of life. Despite the fact that research has shown us, consumermism has made us unhappy! It's making us obiese! Were getting cancers from the artificial crap consumerism creates! It's raping our natural recources, lowering our incomes with its race to the bottom, creating poverty nations away, and keeping the poor...........poor.

Who do you think we'll get a vaccine quicker? Who do you think we'll never be able to get the vaccine?

What makes you so positive that this new virus............was made by the fury of nature against man?

Can't man create viruses? Full knowing our economics will pit the new virus against certain nations?

Seriously, think about what you are suggesting. And think about who it really benefits.......The Few.

What a great way to commit genocide! What a great way to get rid of third world countries, and their stupid nature friendly non-capitalistic way of lives. What a great way, to control them as they beg for the vaccine. No money to give us? That's okay. You got something more valuable. Natural recources. And if you don't give us your natural recources, you can die or slave for us.

Don't think something similiar has never happened???........people wake up!!

The concept of 'population versus scarce recources' was created by the few to benefit the few!!!

pssssst....theres enough to go around and we can live entirely green lives

Amen!
There is no "humans vs nature" or "humans vs Earth". We are nature!

Originally Posted by juroara

oh oh! I get it!

we need to off the human population, because were so bloody overpopulated....so noble! why don't you start by offing yourself?



or do you think we should only off poorer nations, since they are the ones who will suffer the most from any epidemic?

how easy and pathetic it is for you to condemn the poor to death, while ........

This post is SO dumb!
You start off condemning Elis and Shift and then say it doesn't matter if people die because only people say that that is bad. So what exactly are you trying to say?

IMO, it is good if our population get's wiped out en masse. We clearly aren't gonna change our ways i.e Green living. So as long as we can get the population down, the ones that survive can start living green. So yes I think this flu is a good thing (assuming it's gonna kill heaps of people, which I highly doubt ).
As long as it doesn't kill me
Nah but seriously, we need a massive virus to kill a lot of people very soon or the entire ecosystem is fucked. Because humans kill everything. And I would rather see a world (just say I was the only one alive, or some god watching Earth or something) where there are only non-human animals and plants flourish everywhere. But I'm guessing humans will be here for a long time anyway, so I would like to see us living in a nice, clean, beautiful world. And that just can't be done with our population level. Our natural population size is 500,000. (without technology etc.) I'd be willing to say 1-2 million would be OK.

But anyway, this thing is blown out of proportion. Any regular flu that happens EVERY year, gets to a level higher than this one. It's just that we don't have a drug for this one. That's all. And it doesn't matter.

I agree that I will never take any flu shot. And if I were you I would not take any especially when they are made in a hurry like this one. The last time this happened, all the American politicians voted to vaccinate all Americans. Ron Paul and some other guy I forgot his name, voted not to. This "epidemic" killed 1 person. The vaccine killed 25.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...overnment.html

Ron Paul is -- or was -- an ob-gyn doctor. So he should know, right? And he says all this swine flu H2ON9 or whatever scary flu talk is, well, just that, scare talk. Just another facet of an ongoing plot by the federal government to frighten the public and assume more control over the lives of Americans.
In a regular video report to supporters (see below), the 11-term libertarian-like Texas Republican congressman says simply: "The government shouldn't be in the medical business."
He describes a similar outbreak of swine flu way back in 1976 when Democrat Joe Biden was already a senator but Barack Obama was just a teenager. Paul says he was one of two votes against federal involvement in flu-fighting back then.
"There was a panic," he recalls, "and they said it was going to sweep the nation and the government came up with some flu shots and the government was going to inoculate everybody and save the world from this disaster."
According to Paul, one person died from the swine flu outbreak that year while more than 25 died from bad reactions to the flu shots.

Maybe humans destroying the earth is just part of the natural cycle of life. Just a thought.

Actually I'm pretty tired of people talking about how humanity is some sort of disease. Besides, a bunch of humans destroying the planet is far more interesting than bunnies and kangaroos living in harmony with the flowers waiting for the sun to put an eventual end to it all.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

Wait, WHAT? So is the common cold a full-blown global pandemic, by that definition? If that's the case then I really don't see a need for these labels.. other than to scare the common cattle.

No, not at all..

These are the criteria for a pandemic

• Emergence of a disease new to a population.
• Agents infect humans, causing serious illness.
• Agents spread easily and sustainably among humans.

Common cold may match the third, probably not.

It is not just "scare the common cattle", there is a reason to go to phase 5, at this point. Phase 5 means that all countries that have a pandemic healthcare plan should take action immediately.

As you see here, the virus has spread to way more than 2 countries.



Confirmed deaths
Confirmed cases
Unconfirmed cases



Other than that, there are no reason to panic. most of all cases won't even need hospitalization or even anti-viral drugs !

So, any conspiracy theories out there on this yet? (Hey - it'll be Cinco De Mayo in 6 days and this virus apparently DID come from Mexico!!)

ok, how about something from a well 'respected' conspiracist - Prison Planet

Originally Posted by tommo

This post is SO dumb!
You start off condemning Elis and Shift and then say it doesn't matter if people die because only people say that that is bad. So what exactly are you trying to say?

IMO, it is good if our population get's wiped out en masse. We clearly aren't gonna change our ways i.e Green living. So as long as we can get the population down, the ones that survive can start living green. So yes I think this flu is a good thing (assuming it's gonna kill heaps of people, which I highly doubt ).
As long as it doesn't kill me
Nah but seriously, we need a massive virus to kill a lot of people very soon or the entire ecosystem is fucked. Because humans kill everything. And I would rather see a world (just say I was the only one alive, or some god watching Earth or something) where there are only non-human animals and plants flourish everywhere. But I'm guessing humans will be here for a long time anyway, so I would like to see us living in a nice, clean, beautiful world. And that just can't be done with our population level. Our natural population size is 500,000. (without technology etc.) I'd be willing to say 1-2 million would be OK.

There are no non-war activities that could possibly destroy life on this planet. Even with nukes it would be tough. The question is not whether life will continue, but whether humanity will continue. The population does not need to be lowered right now because nobody is dying from overpopulation, only poverty.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

Maybe humans destroying the earth is just part of the natural cycle of life. Just a thought.

It's not a thought, it's the truth. If you say "humans deserve to get wiped out" then you are just as heartless as those fuckers who nuked Hiroshima. Its easy to say "humans must die" but take an innocent individual, grab a gun; and see if the have the stones to pull the trigger.

Humanity should not be seen as a brainless heap of meat, but as a collection of valuable individuals. I will do whatever it takes to save as many as possible.
If you had even a shred of empathy in you, you would do the same.

You guys hear the world health organizations new scaremongering announcement?

They claim ' All Humanity under threat '

:laughs:

Can anyone say fear mongering?


I think alcohol, cigarettes and car crashes kill more in 1 hour then this flu has in 1 week.

maybe cars and alcohol should be banned because they pose a threat to humanity, quarantine the liquor! lol


I think this is such an overblown fear campaign by the lovely media and their buddy governments and cdc and such, they love scaring us.

Yea, that is pretty messed up to want your friends and family murdered in mass. And if you say you want everyone to die except for your friends and family your just a hypocritical ass. If you think everyone should die, then I think you should step up and die first.

Killing people isn't really an option, and is just wrong. There are other things that can be done. We should probably be doing more of them.

Originally Posted by Tornado Joe

So, any conspiracy theories out there on this yet? (Hey - it'll be Cinco De Mayo in 6 days and this virus apparently DID come from Mexico!!)

ok, how about something from a well 'respected' conspiracist - Prison Planet

They are finally going to kill us off and rule the world!? OH NO!

I'm no doctor but to me its dead obvious this was lab created and released in multiple countries to spread fear and panic among the world.

God you can be so dense with your stupid conspiracies. :l

Seriously, can you give a single reason to suspect that? New viruses are evolving all the time, and have been for millions of years.

And could I point out that this virus is present in many countries with nothing to do with the Bush administration. Stereotypical American, doesn't seem to realise there are other landmasses on Earth apart from the USA...

Didn't a lot of people die in the first outbreak because the vaccine was bad, and actually caused some diseases?

I don't recall that personally. I'm not sure if there even was a vaccine administered but I don't really know.

I'm pretty amazed it reached alert 5 too. I mean one less then max alarm is way overreaction. It's only suspected of infecting like .0001 something of the population if not way less (too busy to calculate all those 0's).

I'm thinking the hype is a bit overblown.

It's not. The 1918 pandamemic which killed 50 million seemed similarly inert at first.

The problem is not what it is doing at the moment. The problem is when it comes to the winter and the thing spreads to a few thousand people, we have a widespread, new and novel virus, with the potential to mutate into something very serious.

Originally Posted by Elis D.

No I mean as a sign that nature is still trying to win the battle against the parasites that destroy the Earth in some feeble attempt to survive.
It makes me happy to know that we as humans haven't completely destroyed the Earth's natural defense systems. She still got some tricks up her sleeve.

Win.

It makes me happy too, and I agree that humanity is long overdue for a pandemic that wipes out millions. The human population has grown too large for the Earth to continue to support indefinitely, and even now, it continues to grow exponentially.

Your views = my views.

Originally Posted by WakataDreamer

Win.

It makes me happy too, and I agree that humanity is long overdue for a pandemic that wipes out millions. The human population has grown too large for the Earth to continue to support indefinitely, and even now, it continues to grow exponentially.

Your views = my views.

Why are you so happy about the idea of tragedy? If we need to slow down population growth, there are far less tragic ways to handle it. What you are talking about is mass misery. What a terrible thing it would be. Do you care if it kills you, your family, and your friends?

Have you ever been to a funeral for somebody you loved? Have you ever loved anybody? Have you ever seen the look on a mother's face at her son's funeral? If so, how did it make you feel?

Win.

It makes me happy too, and I agree that humanity is long overdue for a pandemic that wipes out millions. The human population has grown too large for the Earth to continue to support indefinitely, and even now, it continues to grow exponentially.

Your views = my views.

Not only are your opinions wrong; your objective facts are wrong too.

Population isn't growing exponentially. The rate of growth is falling. You are yet another person with no perspective when it comes to nature, still believing that we are separate, that we transcend; that we are somehow special. Humans are not a parasite, they are just another organism. If the population gets too high, as it has done, an inavailability of resources will cause it to fall.

Viruses aren't nature's 'natural defence systems', only somebody lacking in basic biological knowledge would think that.

Originally Posted by WakataDreamer

Win.

It makes me happy too, and I agree that humanity is long overdue for a pandemic that wipes out millions. The human population has grown too large for the Earth to continue to support indefinitely, and even now, it continues to grow exponentially.

Your views = my views.

You silly gooses sound like Xenu.

If overpopulation is a problem than a huge catastrophic event is unneeded because overpopoulation will do the killing. Nobody is dying from overpopulation therefore overpopulation is not a problem

Okay, three douchebags in my town got the fucking swine flu and I've felt sick. Here's my question: do I drink orange juice, etc. to strengthen my immune system, or will that kill me (obviously drinking orange juice will not kill me, but do I attempt to strengthen my immune system? Is it worth the effort?) I'm a natural hypochondriac, I admit, but really. Advise me.

Originally Posted by Lord Bennington

Okay, three douchebags in my town got the fucking swine flu and I've felt sick. Here's my question: do I drink orange juice, etc. to strengthen my immune system, or will that kill me (obviously drinking orange juice will not kill me, but do I attempt to strengthen my immune system? Is it worth the effort?) I'm a natural hypochondriac, I admit, but really. Advise me.

Doctors office/hospital.

If you get the flu, take flu medication.

That's it.

I'm gonna take allergy medecine to make sure this isn't some weird severe allergy, and then go to the doctor if it doesn't get better. And firebomb the houses of the infected.

Allergy to what? :l

Why are you planning on taking random medication without knowing what illness you've got, or even if you have an illness?

See a doctor.