Thread: Let's Study Sacred Geometry

Sorry dude, your ignorance is way beyond my ability to fix.

If you really wanted to know, you'd research it yourself. Clearly you have no interest in learning anything on the subject, and trying to explain it to you is not worth my time.

Why can't you answer a simple question?

All you've done now is reaffirmed my view that 'sacred' geometry is a load of superficial nonsense and nobody here can even define the thing.

Strange that you codemn ignorance in the same sentence that you refuse to rectify it.

If you want to study some "sacred" geometry, go study geometry itself. You'll see the wonders you can do without even using known measures.

Originally Posted by Xei

Why can't you answer a simple question?

All you've done now is reaffirmed my view that 'sacred' geometry is a load of superficial nonsense and nobody here can even define the thing.

Strange that you codemn ignorance in the same sentence that you refuse to rectify it.

It may be a simple question, but there is no simple answer. In order to answer that I'd have to write a short essay which would take a considerable amount of time and effort on my part.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

The patterns of the cosmos such as the spiral arms of galaxies conform to the laws of physics (another principle of nature). There's nothing mystical about it. They're very well understood scientific phenomena.

Don't berate Xei for attempting to educate you. You can't title a thread 'lets study Sacred Geometry' then chastise someone for STUDYING Sacred Geometry mathematically.



This is a nonsense statement. Make up your mind.

The tone of your last post was 'I want to understand the Universe through sacred geometry but don't bring your explanatory maths into this I'm too busy understanding stuff to let facts get in the way'.

Very well understand yet unexplainable as to why they all follow the same form...

(1) Black,
(1) then,
(2) white are,
(3) all I see,
(5) in my infancy,
(8) red and yellow then came to be,
(5) reaching out to me,
(3) lets me see.
(2) There is,
(1) so,
(1) much,
(2) more and
(3) beckons me,
(5) to look through to these,
(8) infinite possibilities.
(13) As below so above and beyond I imagine,
(8) drawn outside the lines of reason.
(5) Push the envelope.
(3) Watch it bend.

All you've done now is reaffirmed my view that 'sacred' geometry is a load of superficial nonsense and nobody here can even define the thing.

Not to butt in, but you want them to define something in a scientific way when that is not the route they are going.

It's like asking an artist to explain his painting in mathematics...

I'm no student of sacred geometry - so don't all pounce on me at once - but it was my understanding that SG had something to do with all matter somehow being able to be reduced to one of 5 basic forms or solids (see Cusp's avatar), right down to our own DNA. (I've only read a little about this in the past, so I can't remember it all - but there's also the golden ratio thing that fits in there somehow.)

I think what's causing some contreversy here is that it was (for some reason) named "sacred" geometry - implying godlike or theism. But it may not necessarily be so. I think it just means that it's a basis or foundation to a much more complex 'world'. It's essentially what science is all about; getting down to the most fundamental principle of a theory. The ultimate being, the theory of everything (linking relativity with quantum physics).

So, whether you think it's 'sacred' or not, it is pretty convenient how the pieces fit together. Whether they solve any great mysteries about ourselves has yet to be proven.

Now, what's interesting is that this 'geometry' (at least the golden ratio) can also be applied to other things; like sound/music in the Circle of Fifths. Again, not 'sacred', but pretty cool!

I think it just means that it's a basis or foundation to a much more complex 'world'. It's essentially what science is all about; getting down to the most fundamental principle of a theory.

Except science is based on evidence wheras the platonic solids as classical elements were based on making shit up.

Originally Posted by juroara

I think this image might relate to the Mayan Calender for those in the knows?

i didn't search enough to find an image, but there's this;

on mayan geometry;
http://www.ethnomath.org/resources/ISGEm/067.htm

sacred geometry and the mayan calendar;
http://www.mayanmajix.com/3nn02_01_04.html

an ongoing project on sacred geometry in mayan sciences;
http://alignment2012.com/SacredGeom-Video.html

thanks for all the info juroara! i've really learnt a lot (still reading).

Testicles.

I give up.

Your thing.

Whatever.

Sacred - profane.

As is.

If you can't port ethics, have no ethics as round as all that... give it up.

Try: http://mises.org/etexts/hoppe5.pdf
Try: http://www.entrewave.com/freebooks/docs/a_pdfs/gnct.pdf

Leave me alone.


PQ

has anyone ever applied sacred geometry or heard of it being applied to Lucid Dreaming?

I had a dream a few weeks ago where Paul Dirac had a three dimensional black board that we could walk around in and he was drawing gauge symmetries of Lagrangians. We could twist them around to see the actual symmetries. It wasn't lucid though. I'm kinda glad it wasn't because I probably would have messed it up.

Wow you have cool dreams.

I used to have maths dreams when I was doing huge amounts to prepare for my Cambridge exams, but they were kind of unpleasant and would last into waking.

I was once unable to get out of bed because 'getting out of bed' is a single object and it doesn't ever make any mathematical sense to just write a single expression without putting it equal to anything for example 'x^2 + y^2'; and as I couldn't think of anything to put 'getting out of bed' equal to I just stayed there for hours.

Yeah maths dreams suck. :l

Originally Posted by Xei

I was once unable to get out of bed because 'getting out of bed' is a single object and it doesn't ever make any mathematical sense to just write a single expression without putting it equal to anything for example 'x^2 + y^2'; and as I couldn't think of anything to put 'getting out of bed' equal to I just stayed there for hours.

I have problems like that all the time.

Originally Posted by Xei

Yeah maths dreams suck. :l

Some of them are pretty cool. Some of them suck. It depends on if they make sense or not.

tbh I reckon it's because I've never really studied anything very abstract. Just algebraic stuff.

This time in a fortnight I reckon I'll be having a crazy time, once I start the intense workload at uni.

Sacred geometry is not superstitious bullshit, you just don't ( and can't ) understand it because it's right brain(subjective) stuff.

The right brain controls the artistic abilities of a person. A person with a predominant right brain over the left brain will be more artistic, creative and spontaneous. Right brain also deals with feelings and intuition.

On the other hand, a person with a more active left brain as compared to the right brain will be more logical, precise, analytical and controlled.

Look at this picture. Concentrate on the center of it for at least 2 or 3 minutes. This picture uses sacred geometry, and if doesn't rotate or move than you don't have much right brain activity going on and too much left brain, and thus won't understand subjectivity.



Left brain = objective = outside world
Right brain = subjective = inside mind.

Right brain is the key to who you truly are.

Staring at these kinds of pictures will
-center your attention
-quiet your thoughts
-distract the left-hemisphere, which cannot deal with spatial relationships
-allows t he right hemisphere to dominate for an extended period of time

All of this is useful in trying to lucid dreaming.

Although being told that you are more of a creative freethinker will probably boost your ego Hardwired, there isn't actually any scientific basis for all of this left brained / right brained stuff. It's one of the many misconceptions about the brain which New Agers repeat ad nauseam, along with the 'we are only using 10% of our brains' myth.

The only function localised into one hemisphere is speech, into the left. The others are spread across both hemispheres. It certainly isn't true that some people have a 'better' left hemisphere at the expense of a better right hemisphere and vice versa, or any nonsense like that.

The only function localised into one hemisphere is speech, into the left.

And the brain has a degree of plasticity as well. I vaguely seem to recall cases of the speech centre being taken over by the other hemisphere in the case of a young boy who suffered some kind of brain trauma.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

The right brain controls the artistic abilities of a person. A person with a predominant right brain over the left brain will be more artistic, creative and spontaneous. Right brain also deals with feelings and intuition.

On the other hand, a person with a more active left brain as compared to the right brain will be more logical, precise, analytical and controlled.

Questions of hemispheric activity aside, your argument that real math isn't creative is bullshit of the highest degree.

In real math, you prove stuff. This takes an incredible amount of creativity. It's the "highest" degree of creativity because you have to be creative in such a rigid environment.

One of my favorite stories is when hilbert said that he was glad that one of his graduate students had quit math to become a poet because he didn't think that the student was creative enough to be a mathematician.

i used left-brain and right brain to keep my point simple. That doesn't boost my ego by the way. I know who I am.

Your truest, deepest, most peaceful self ( which is the you in your dreams ) is the part of you that recognizes and responds to sacred geometry.

You can see the image move, but you have to stop thinking for a moment, and just concentrate on the center dot of the picture. You have to stop your thought process, thoughts aren't who you really are. Who you really are is a state of pure awareness. That's why you don't automatically know your dreaming, and crazy things seem normal in non-lucid dreams.

Your creativity, imagination, and emotions come from your truest, deepest, most peaceful self. That's the simplest way I can put it, it's not about being logical, rational, or analytical.

Depression isn't caused by synapses in the brain, it's the other way around, feeling depressed causes synapses in the brain. That's why most people that are truly happy don't ever get sick. Cancer and all those deadly diseases start in the mind. People have survived after being diagnosed with these sicknesses by just accepting their fate and being happy.

I know this sounds really new-agey and hippy, but it's all truly in the mind.

@PhilospherStoned - In general the left and right hemispheres of your brain process information in different ways. We tend to process information using our dominant side. The left brain processes in a linear, sequential, logical manner. When you process on the left side, you use information piece by piece to solve a math problem or work out a science experiment. When you read and listen, you look for the pieces so that you can draw logical conclusions. If you process primarily on the right side of the brain, you use intuition. The right brain however, processes from whole to parts, holistically. It starts with the answer. It sees the big picture first, not the details.

And actually, I'm more left-brained than I am right-brained, but I'm finally understand more of the right brain and using it way more.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

@PhilospherStoned - In general the left and right hemispheres of your brain process information in different ways. We tend to process information using our dominant side. The left brain processes in a linear, sequential, logical manner. When you process on the left side, you use information piece by piece to solve a math problem or work out a science experiment. When you read and listen, you look for the pieces so that you can draw logical conclusions. If you process primarily on the right side of the brain, you use intuition.

You don't listen to what people say do you?

There is so much intuition in math and science that it's not even debatable. You use intuition in making definitions, deciding what theorems about those definitions would be useful (and correct!) and in actually proving the theorems. What makes it so hard is that when it's all distilled down to definition - theorem - proof, all the intuition has to be "pressed" out of it so that it's rigorous. So you're left with a structure that is composed entirely of logical, analytic arguments and definitions but that was created with intuition.

Contrast this with new age garbage where it's true is it "sounds deep".

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

You don't listen to what people say do you?

There is so much intuition in math and science that it's not even debatable. You use intuition in making definitions, deciding what theorems about those definitions would be useful (and correct!) and in actually proving the theorems. What makes it so hard is that when it's all distilled down to definition - theorem - proof, all the intuition has to be "pressed" out of it so that it's rigorous. So you're left with a structure that is composed entirely of logical, analytic arguments and definitions but that was created with intuition.

Contrast this with new age garbage where it's true is it "sounds deep".

You are right, real math does require creativity. But you use more left brain than right brain for math. If you used most of your right brain for a math problem, you wouldn't need to work it out, you would know the answer off the bat.

Put it this way, if you had a complex math problem and you were dominate in the right brain, you might know the answer to it but not sure how you got it. You may have to start with the answer and work backwards. On a quiz, you have a gut feeling as to which answers are correct, and you are usually right. In writing, it is the left brain that pays attention to mechanics such as spelling, agreement, and punctuation. But the right side pays attention to coherence and meaning; that is, your right brain tells you it "feels" right. So basically you can't have one without the other.

We're talking about two different things. Left brain - logic, math, science and Right brain - feelings, intuition, ideas, imagination, creativity. Both brains use each other, and both have to come together for maximum effectiveness to any problem.

As for the picture, too much left brain will distract you from the right brain. Cut down left brain activity ( stop thoughts, and focus on the center dot, be aware of it ) and you will see it move different ways, like a pattern. It's really amazing. It's a visual meditation, which is what tibetan dream yoga encompasses.

We're talking about two different things. Left brain - logic, math, science and Right brain - feelings, intuition, ideas, imagination, creativity. Both brains use each other, and both have to come together for maximum effectiveness to any problem.

I just told you that's not remotely true.

And saying that cancer is caused by the brain is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. You're just completely ignoring the huge amount of research.

*sigh* omg... I just told you that i was using left brain/right brain for simplicity.

I didn't say cancer was caused "by the brain", I said it was caused by "stress of the mind". Brain and Mind are two different things.

The mind is your feelings, memory and personality, which in turn affects synapses in the brain. Science cannot prove that you love someone, OR that you even have dreams for that matter. It's subjective. All science can prove is that you have brain activity.

I'm not going to go into this with you, I'm with the Cusp. Trying to explain any of this to you objective materialists is not worth my time or effort. This is going to go in a never-ending circle.

Then you wonder why you can't make the image spin. You won't listen and your always trying to hang on to your precious belief system instead of opening your mind up for a moment. Believe what you will. I've said what I needed to say.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Brain and Mind are two different things.

Try again.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Then you wonder why you can't make the image spin.

I can make the image spin.

*sigh* omg... I just told you that i was using left brain/right brain for simplicity.

I didn't say cancer was caused "by the brain", I said it was caused by "stress of the mind". Brain and Mind are two different things.

Nice attempt at equivocation but this makes absolutely no difference to the point I just made..?

The mind is your feelings, memory and personality, which in turn affects synapses in the brain. Science cannot prove that you love someone, OR that you even have dreams for that matter. It's subjective. All science can prove is that you have brain activity.

Yeah, true, as I've already said, with the current state of science. But computational neuroscience is currently at the very vanguard and is progressing quickly. Claims of subjectivity are unsubstantiated.

I'm not going to go into this with you, I'm with the Cusp. Trying to explain any of this to you objective materialists is not worth my time or effort. This is going to go in a never-ending circle.

Then you wonder why you can't make the image spin. You won't listen and your always trying to hang on to your precious belief system instead of opening your mind up for a moment. Believe what you will. I've said what I needed to say.

I thought you said you didn't have an ego. :l

What belief system are you referring to? As far as I can tell you are referring to my scepticism. Obviously it is far more reasonable to believe any and every piece of crap that enters your 'open mind' without pausing to question its credibility.

You never managed to answer how 'sacred geometry' is any different from normal geometry. You weren't even able to define the golden ratio. It's just semantic rubbish.