Thread: Let's Study Sacred Geometry

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While some things seemingly change...

Nothing ever-changes...

For what purpose... and to what end...?

Breathe in...

Breathe out...

Not much more semantics necessary than that.

Knowledge in...

Knowledge out...

There will be a day... a reckoning of sorts for some that cling to anything here...

That all supposed knowledge one obtains will simply fade away as plainly as one's first memory did...

But just as your breath escapes you...

It returns again...

Take solace... in going back to...

Ground ZERO.



In doing so... one remains humble to it...

'It' being this undefinable interconnecting principle to all that is...

Inexplicable... unspeakable...

Which is why I find it baffling that some proud individuals here would feel it necessary to berate others and push some arbitrary understanding of some digits and symbols forward as something more than it is...

Twisted in their thinking that knowing anything qualifies them as better or worse in any aspect of anything in this insane universe of trillions of circles spinning around one cylical undefinable point along with innumerable other circles spinning around innumerable other cyclical undefinable points.

All just are...

Let everything be...

And just...

I've been trying to find sources that talk about the depth of harmonics and vibrations within Sacred Geometry. Interestingly, one of the best websites I've found is a crop circle research website. I made a thread about this website a while back. But it has even more to offer in terms of sacred geometry than most sacred geometry websites

http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/

If you like cymatics, you'll like the website

"A hoax is a forgery, and forgers require a genuine from which to copy. So, what exactly lies behind real crop circles? In genuine formations the stems are not broken but bent, defeating the hoax argument, since a plank or garden roller is required to flatten the crop to the ground, resulting in clear damage to the plants.

The plants are subjected to a short and intense burst of heat which softens the stems to drop just above the ground at 90º, where they re-harden into their new position without damage. Research and laboratory tests suggest that infrasound is capable of producing such an effect: High-pressure infrasound is capable of boiling water inside the stems in one nanosecond, expanding the water, and leaving tiny blowholes in the plants' nodes."

The research on the website talks about the crop circles made by wooden planks, and the crop circles now believed to have been created with sound, and how the two are drastically different




You'll have to hang up the hotly debated argument regarding aliens to really enjoy the website. In fact, you don't even need to understand the who or the what.

Just entertain yourself with the how.

"Modern science now shows that these geometric rhythms lie at the centre of atomic structures. When Andrew Gladzewski carried out research into atomic patterns, plants, crystals and harmonics in music he concluded that atoms are harmonic resonators, proving that physical reality is actually governed by geometric arrays based on sound frequencies. Even that primeval Hindu sound, the OM, from which is derived our modern term 'hum', when sung into a tonoscope produces the very geometric shapes attributed with 'sacredness'. Perhaps the most important of these shapes is the hexagon, upon which the Egyptian matrix named the Flower of Life is based. This series of outwardly-rotating divisions of the circle accommodate the branches of the building blocks of life, the amino acids. This Flower of Life has subsequently manifested as a crop circle."






"Since a sudden and abnormal burst of growth is also known to occur in crop circle plants it was postulated that microwave was the culprit behind the creation of crop circles. However, microwave has the ability to render biological systems sterile, and a certain dose will even kill organisms. Yet the crop circles plants are alive and well. After four years of experiments on regular wheat at the University of Ottawa, Mary Measures and Pearl Weinberger found accelerated growth in laboratory samples, and postulated that the sound frequency they applied had produced a resonant effect in the plants' cells, thereby affecting their metabolism."


"Several years ago, astronomer Gerald S. Hawkins, former Chairman of the astronomy department at Boston University, noticed that some of the most visually striking of the crop-circle patterns embodied geometric theorems that express specific numerical relationships among the areas of various circles, triangles, and other shapes making up the patterns (Science News: 2/1/92, p. 76)"



"These designs demonstrate the remarkable mathematical ability of their creators," Hawkins comments.

What is most surprising is that all geometries give diatonic (musical) ratios. Never before have geometric theorems been linked with music.Curiously, Hawkins could find no reference to such a theorem in the works of Euclid or in any other book that he consulted. When he challenged readers of Science News and The Mathematics Teacher to come up with his unpublished theorem, given only the four variations, no one reported success.In July 1995, however, "the crop-circle makers . . . showed knowledge of this fifth theorem," Hawkins reports. Among the dozens of circles surreptitiously laid down in the wheat fields of England, one pattern fit Hawkins' theorem based on the stringent definitions, on the rules established by the circles over the period 1980 to the present.The Circlemakers responsible for this old-fashioned type of mathematical ingenuity remain at large and unknown."






the website doesn't just offer scientific research. but also the other side of the spectrum, spirituality, simultaneously. The traditional ideas were either aliens or humans did it. But his own spirituality colors a new and refreshing idea *any third option is refreshing in my opinion*. That maybe its the earth herself.

either way, the relationships become endless. from light, vibrations, music, geometry, to dna and information

"Eyewitness accounts by farmers, police and locals often describe a tube of light penetrating through the clouds to create a crop formation............

the energy did not create the crop circle at the time: the flattening of plants took place some hours later, suggesting that the light (EM) contained information that imprinted into the Earth, and later, the Earth responded with a geometric pattern. Such an event suggests that the crop circles are not just inputs of energy but also triggers that awaken a response within the living Earth.

The presence of light in the creation of crop circles raises serious implications, because the light spectrum carries signals that organisms require for receiving information, particularly human DNA. Such bioelectromagnetic signals operate at the extreme ends of the EM spectrum – the type of frequencies recorded in crop circles. Any excitation of this bioelectromagnetic field is transmitted to the DNA, and in laboratory experiments in China genetic information has already been successfully transmitted from one organism to another.

Furthermore, this frequency range detected in crop circles appears to ally with a part of the human body that is dormant. Mapped by Valerie Hunt in the 1970s, the frequency range of the human body covers a wide span, yet there is a range– 250-320 MHz- where nothing seems to happen, the human temple is utterly silent. By comparison, the predominant range of frequencies detected inside the crop circles seems to cover a range of 260-320 MHz. And the sharp rise in these occurs at the perimeter of the flattened crop, suggesting that people are entering a kind of shielded area that differs substantially from the rest of the field. People are essentially entering a temple."



"Creation is based on the concept that all atoms and molecules are in a state of vibration. This led all religions and faiths around the world to adopt the notion that “in the beginning was the Word, and the word was God”. Sound has been revered for millennia as the method by which all life is formed, and after a decade of research I, too, reached the conclusion that sound is a fundamental force behind the manifestation of crop circles.

Which brings us back to that incredible event in 1998, at Tawsmead Copse, when an eyewitness and this photographer caught a crop circle in the making, a seven-pointed geometric shape. That glyph was itself a metaphor for sound, since the heptagon is synonymous with the seven pure notes of the music scale, the de-re-mi, and so on. As my colleagues and I stood in appreciation of the intricacies inside that crop circle, we heard a series of musical notes around us, and recorded them. Little did I realize at the time that this was yet another moment when Mother was summoning her children, and spellbound, we wandered towards one of her creations, ever closer to her bosom. And here lies the final connection to the pentagram-hexagram.

As it turns out, the geometric/numeric ratio 6:5 is not just the ratio of the Earth and the geometry of DNA, it also happens to be a musical interval called the Minor Third. It is the frequency interval between the notes E-flat and C. And when played, they sound exactly like a call many of us have heard at least once in our lives, regardless of cultural background. For these are the two tones that a mother utters when she beckons her children. They are the notes most often used in lullabies. They are the first summoning tones in native American flute music. And this ratio is expressed in the forms of the pentagram and hexagram, the same forms that are inherent in the geometry of sacred sites, cathedrals and crop circles, not to mention their pulsating, living energy fields."


and this is an example of how the research begins with Sacred Geometry. If the pattern isn't first mathematically precise, they know sound was not involved









And before I forget! You know all those wonderful images of cymatics on youtube? Well why not the other way around? Can't we produce sound from geometry?

Here is some music inspired by crop circles.
http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/ar...harmonics.html

...you realise that crop circles are made by bored people with ropes and planks of wood, for the sole purpose of the lols they get from hearing people like you spending hours writing theories like those?

Originally Posted by Xei

...you realise that crop circles are made by bored people with ropes and planks of wood, for the sole purpose of the lols they get from hearing people like you spending hours writing theories like those?

if you had bothered to read my post

you would realize there is scientific evidence, actual scientific evidence, not just a theory, of weird crap happening to the crops that can not be explained with wooden planks

the best explanation to what happened to the plants, considering the structure of the soil also changed, considering the geometric forms, is sound. sound was the most logical explanation, not wooden planks

but the website talked about folk like you. who continue to say all crop circles are made by wooden planks and ropes, despite scientific evidence to the contrary. why?

will a bubble burst?

Originally Posted by juroara

That doesn't look like an ellips to me.

Originally Posted by juroara

Eyewitness accounts by farmers, police and locals often describe a tube of light penetrating through the clouds to create a crop formation............

Ehh, yeah. You should now that eyewitnesses are worthless in these cases. Does 'need for fame' ring any bells?

Originally Posted by juroara

The presence of light in the creation of crop circles raises serious implications, because the light spectrum carries signals that organisms require for receiving information, particularly human DNA. Such bioelectromagnetic signals operate at the extreme ends of the EM spectrum – the type of frequencies recorded in crop circles. Any excitation of this bioelectromagnetic field is transmitted to the DNA, and in laboratory experiments in China genetic information has already been successfully transmitted from one organism to another.

A few lines ago, it was sound that made the crop circles Oh, and does a word like bioelectromagnetic even exist? It makes no sense.

Originally Posted by juroara

Ehh, I can't remember DNA being cristalline, not at any level.

Originally Posted by juroara

Creation is based on the concept that all atoms and molecules are in a state of vibration. This led all religions and faiths around the world to adopt the notion that “in the beginning was the Word, and the word was God”. Sound has been revered for millennia as the method by which all life is formed, and after a decade of research I, too, reached the conclusion that sound is a fundamental force behind the manifestation of crop circles.

Have these guys even done research? There are religions which have I-don't-know-what-kind-of theories other that this.

Originally Posted by juroara

Which brings us back to that incredible event in 1998, at Tawsmead Copse, when an eyewitness and this photographer caught a crop circle in the making, a seven-pointed geometric shape. That glyph was itself a metaphor for sound, since the heptagon is synonymous with the seven pure notes of the music scale, the de-re-mi, and so on. As my colleagues and I stood in appreciation of the intricacies inside that crop circle, we heard a series of musical notes around us, and recorded them. Little did I realize at the time that this was yet another moment when Mother was summoning her children, and spellbound, we wandered towards one of her creations, ever closer to her bosom. And here lies the final connection to the pentagram-hexagram.

DO-re-mi, for god's sake.
Photo's can be hoaxed, and that's what's most likely.

Originally Posted by juroara

As it turns out, the geometric/numeric ratio 6:5 is not just the ratio of the Earth and the geometry of DNA, it also happens to be a musical interval called the Minor Third. It is the frequency interval between the notes E-flat and C. And when played, they sound exactly like a call many of us have heard at least once in our lives, regardless of cultural background. For these are the two tones that a mother utters when she beckons her children. They are the notes most often used in lullabies. They are the first summoning tones in native American flute music. And this ratio is expressed in the forms of the pentagram and hexagram, the same forms that are inherent in the geometry of sacred sites, cathedrals and crop circles, not to mention their pulsating, living energy fields.

As far as I know, most lullabies use major thirds as opposed to minors.
Wait, what energy fields?

Originally Posted by juroara

And before I forget! You know all those wonderful images of cymatics on youtube? Well why not the other way around? Can't we produce sound from geometry?

Here is some music inspired by crop circles.
http://www.cropcircleresearch.com/ar...harmonics.html

Mandelbrot is a fractal algorithm, not a form of crop circle.

Sorry if I bursted your bubble here, but I find crop circles and the theories around it rather dumb.

you would realize there is scientific evidence, actual scientific evidence, not just a theory, of weird crap happening to the crops that can not be explained with wooden planks

Where?

Originally Posted by Xei

Where?

the information xei is only a click away. just visit the website I posted.

Originally Posted by ThreeLetterSyndrom

Mandelbrot is a fractal algorithm, not a form of crop circle.

Sorry if I bursted your bubble here, but I find crop circles and the theories around it rather dumb.

the website with the music uses a program to produce the music. the program uses pictures. there are two mandelbrots that inspired two different songs. one is a computer image of the fractal

the other is an image of a crop circle in the form of mandelbrot




thats why the webpage has two different songs. no one said anything about mandelbrot being a form of crop circle.

Originally Posted by ThreeLetterSyndrom

Ehh, I can't remember DNA being cristalline, not at any level.

And apparently you can't remember how to use a search engine either.

Geometry has always been present in art. Using examples in art is just not gonna get you anywhere.

And I will explain the concept of the golden number. What is the number that, minus one, equals its inverse?

At a quick glance, you can see it's a number between 1 and 2. You can put that concept in an equation, and you get:

x - 1 = 1/x
solving the equation:
x² - x - 1 =0

x = 1 + sqrt(5) / 2 = 1,618

The importance of this number is that it's present in many instances where ratio and geometric mean are involved. Just that.


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Finally - you made a mistake in your OP. The point does not define the first dimension. The point defines dimension zero. You need two points to form the first dimension (a line); three points to form the second dimension (a plane); four points to form the third dimension (space); and so on.

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Chemistry also follows geometry, but on a non-rigid basis. It relates to quantum mechanics, position of electron pairs, and a lot of hardcore stuff I won't mind expanding.

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Finally, I like your sig.

Geometry has always been present in art. Using examples in art is just not gonna get you anywhere.

And I will explain the concept of the golden number. What is the number that, minus one, equals its inverse?

At a quick glance, you can see it's a number between 1 and 2. You can put that concept in an equation, and you get:

x - 1 = 1/x
solving the equation:
x² - x - 1 =0

That seems a rather bizarre way to think about it. Which first principles would lead you to derive that form of the equation?

As far as my knowledge goes the golden ratio is defined so that the ratio of a section of a line to the longer section of the line equals the ratio of the longer section to the total length of the line, which leads directly to

x = (1 + x)/x => x2 - x - 1 = 0

Why would you start from "the number that, minus one, equals its inverse"?

the information xei is only a click away. just visit the website I posted.

The site was full of anecdotes, not evidence, and contained information which I personally know to be completely wrong.

For example: "many crop circles include ellipses instead of circles, which are impossible to construct adequately with ropes". This is complete and utter rubbish, it's a very well known mathematical result that you can construct an ellipse extremely easily using a loop of rope and two fixed points.

the other is an image of a crop circle in the form of mandelbrot

Okay. What is the Mandelbrot set?

Originally Posted by Xei

Okay. What is the Mandelbrot set?

Why are you asking when you already know?

A man decided he would like to see if he can create music based on crop circles. He found a program that can create music based on an image. So he grabs a few crop circle images of interest, and uses that to base his music of.

I posted about it because the creation of music based on geometry relates to Sacred Geometry. As many people are well aware of the videos on youtube showing how sound creates geometry. Why not the other way around? So I searched online to try to find if anyone has tried to 'listen' to geometry. That was the best I could find.

What exactly is there to argue about?

Or is it, if I don't answer your question you're going to make another post about how ignorant I am because I didn't answer your question? I feel like I'm in a school playground being triple dared by a 12 year old boy.




ps. anyone can wiki it





ANYWAYS



More fun pictures




Sacred Geometry can more or less be summed up with one word, harmonics

The sounds of Jupiter! Why?
Why not?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3fqE01YYWs

Originally Posted by Xei

That seems a rather bizarre way to think about it. Which first principles would lead you to derive that form of the equation?

As far as my knowledge goes the golden ratio is defined so that the ratio of a section of a line to the longer section of the line equals the ratio of the longer section to the total length of the line, which leads directly to

x = (1 + x)/x => x2 - x - 1 = 0

Why would you start from "the number that, minus one, equals its inverse"

The geometric deduction is just an application of the arithmetic definition. What I mean is that, the inverse of 1.61803399 is 0.61803399. It is the only number to have such property.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Just that.

Just, Kromoh is a word to denote that you believe something has less value.

Just a dog.

Just a friend.

Just geometry.

If you aren't interested in Sacred Geometry, why are you posting here?

Finally - you made a mistake in your OP. The point does not define the first dimension. The point defines dimension zero. You need two points to form the first dimension (a line); three points to form the second dimension (a plane); four points to form the third dimension (space); and so on.

why did you end there? why didn't you also tell me how the point has no length, no width or height?

when the single point in Sacred Geometry is symbolic for God and transcendent consciousness, are we still talking about the same thing?

Originally Posted by juroara

why did you end there? why didn't you also tell me how the point has no length, no width or height?

Uh... the definition of the word "point" specifically states that a point has no dimensions(length, width, height, etc.). Points are imperceptible, there are no real-world instances of points. They are mathematical constructs humans defined when the need for identifying locations arised.

I can only surmise he "ended there" because he thought you knew what points are, considering you talk about them at length.


Also, about the mean orbits:

3
5
16
18
23

I just picked five numbers arbitrarily. Fifteen seconds with a calculator will tell you that the mean is 13. 13 is totally unrelated to those numbers. If I wanted a different pattern, I could tell you the median is 16, that the mode is nonexistant, and that the range is 20. I can also say that the first number is 3, the second is 5, the fourth is 18, that the fifth is 23, that the last is 23, that the lower quartile is 4, that the upper quartile is 20.5(depending on which method for calculating it you use), that the first number is an approximation of pi, that the first two numbers are prime...

I can literally go on forever. All of these are derived from some sort of equation or pattern that I chose. There are ways for me to arrive at virtually any number I please from this data set. Same goes for the planets. The mean of the orbits is extremely misleading; the only reason I can think of to actually make a chart of it would be to help someone get a grasp on how far a planet is from another planet at a random time(which ends up being wildly inaccurate 90% of the time due to constant motion).