Thread: Do people really think like this?

http://patriotsandliberty.com/?p=5653

I just don't get it.

That's a rather long article. What mentality is it that confuses you? Transgenderism?

Perhaps the fact that the government is yet again trying to cram more laws down your throat.

And why does the article seem to be more heavily bashing male transgenders?

Originally Posted by Vampyre

That's a rather long article. What mentality is it that confuses you? Transgenderism?

It confuses me that people will hate transgenders so much.

Suppose a man wearing a dress, lipstick, and high heels gets hired to teach the second grade in your child’s elementary school. (He couldn’t be denied the job!)

Well, most of them look like women and identify as a woman to everyone but their boss(Since you have to legally say you are a male on job applications), I don't see the problem with this.

You’re a woman with your daughter in a public rest room and a 6-foot-plus man wearing a miniskirt comes in. (We have video of that actually happening here in Massachusetts, which we will publish soon.)
You’d be risking a fine and jail time for even speaking out!

What should happen? Should what looks like a girl go into the man's bathroom and start a riot? I have a feeling the same people who wrote this would beat up a guy in a skirt in the guy's bathroom.

In the transgender movement, for example, there are women with hormone-induced beards and men with silicone breasts. This concept is also being introduced to kids at “transgender days” in public schools in Massachusetts. It’s a train rolling down the tracks!

Why do they oppose awareness of these issues? Maybe because if people understood everything there wouldn't be so much blind hate.

What?? Thus, legally protected behaviors can range from someone who simply “expresses” himself or herself to be the opposite sex, verbally or by their clothing — to someone who who has parts of his or her body surgically removed or mutilated and takes huge doses of hormones to attempt to “become” the opposite sex — to someone who simply insists on using facilities meant for the opposite sex.

This is just ignorance here.

The bill is long and extremely comprehensive, covering a vast range of society, including schools, businesses, restaurants, government, labor unions, apartments, offices, and all public accommodations, including any place “which is open to and accepts or solicits the patronage of the general public,” and any public area. It includes all hiring and firing and employment benefits and insurance coverage. There is no religious exemption.

They want people to be able to be fired, denied insurance and employment benefits just because of their gender identity? That's just plain stupid.

These people are serious radicals.

Oh wow, the irony.

Basically the whole article is just full of ignorance and could be summed up with "I don't want them fags on my property"

Originally Posted by Abra

And why does the article seem to be more heavily bashing male transgenders?

Probably because they're "fags", and they think that all MtF transsexuals are 6'6" men in miniskirts with deep voices and hairy legs that go around flaunting that they are male but dress like a woman. In reality, most of them just act like normal women. Like you would see them, and you would never guess that they are a male. FtM transsexuals seem to be less flamboyant, and they probably don't see as many of them, even though there are usually more of them.

What should happen? Should what looks like a girl go into the man's bathroom and start a riot? I have a feeling the same people who wrote this would beat up a guy in a skirt in the guy's bathroom.

No, but no man should be allowed into a woman's restroom either, regardless of the way they dress. Do you understand the extent to which that can be exploited by sex predators? Bathrooms are sex specific, which means you enter one or the other based on the grounds that you are anatomically male or female.

Originally Posted by Invader

No, but no man should be allowed into a woman's restroom either, regardless of the way they dress. Do you understand the extent to which that can be exploited by sex predators? Bathrooms are sex specific, which means you enter one or the other based on the grounds that you are anatomically male or female.

I don't think it should be illegal. Most transwoman don't like doing things that amount to wearing a "I USED TO BE A MAN" t-shirt. How would you enforce this, keeping trans people out of the "wrong" bathroom? Check everyone's genitals before they enter?

Originally Posted by Demon Parasite

I don't think it should be illegal. Most transwoman don't like doing things that amount to wearing a "I USED TO BE A MAN" t-shirt. How would you enforce this, keeping trans people out of the "wrong" bathroom? Check everyone's genitals before they enter?

One could write an essay on that question, I'm sure.

Honestly? I haven't the slightest clue. I'll mull that over in the meantime.

ha ha, I just want to say for all the people that are scared of the opposite sex bathrooms....from where I am from a bathroom is a bathroom regardless of what gender is posted on the door....if it is open anyone can use any washroom...some places here have one bathroom for both sexes...gosh whoda thought! I do find it ridiculous that transgendered seem to think they need a washroom of their own though

I agree with Merlock that he doesn't have to explain his feelings about anything. His feelings are still valid.

But in terms of rational discussion, Merlock's feelings absolutely irrelevant.

My Student's Union had a lot of on-going transgender discrimination issues. It always shocked me how otherwise reasonable people saw this as such a big deal.

The problem with the bathroom issue in this country is that by law transgrendered people have to spend a certain amount of time living as a woman in order to have the surgery. If they can't use the correct toilet before surgery then they can't fulfil this criteria.

The opposition is probably similar to anyone that hates gays. Or racists. Or whatever-else-ists. People get whacked ideas in their heads about hating types of people.

However, anyone that I've known to be transgendered has been a drama whore. I'm not trying to slander transgendered people, but out of the 5 or 6 transgendered people that I've talked with, all of them have been drama whores. That's the only thing that bothers me about them.

And the article is probably directed mostly at male transgenders, because they're more common than female.

Do some people with a penis and balls and no boobs really think they are female? That should be the question.

The haters are wrong for hating. We should be confused and disgusted, that's about it. Oh, and also feel sorry for them.

Yes, some people who are born as a male are happier being a female, it's not disgusting or absurd. There are a few people like this on DV.

Originally Posted by Demon Parasite

Yes, some people who are born as a male are happier being a female, it's not disgusting or absurd. There are a few people like this on DV.

happier being a female? How do they know? They are not a female. They WISH they were. They use imagination like a 5 year old would. They take it too far with surgeries and such. It is completely outrageous.

if you're psysically born a woman with a penis, that's different. that's a pshsical mess up... but if you're born physically correct, but think you're the other gender, then that's a clear brain disfuntion. I'm sure with enough time i'll be proven correct by science.

Originally Posted by Michael

happier being a female? How do they know? They are not a female. They WISH they were. They use imagination like a 5 year old would. They take it too far with surgeries and such. It is completely outrageous.

if you're psysically born a woman with a penis, that's different. that's a pshsical mess up... but if you're born physically correct, but think you're the other gender, then that's a clear brain disfuntion. I'm sure with enough time i'll be proven correct by science.

I don't think there's anything wrong with wishing you were the opposite gender. You make it seem like this is some kind of mental illness that needs to be cured. And being female isn't having having a vagina, it's about being feminine. It's about going outside and everyone thinking your a female, and pretty much living your life as a girl, regardless of what's in between your legs. Not everyone gets surgery, in fact, most transgendered people don't get any surgeries at all because it's far too expensive.

Originally Posted by Demon Parasite

And being female isn't having having a vagina, it's about being feminine. It's about going outside and everyone thinking your a female, and pretty much living your life as a girl, regardless of what's in between your legs.

Actually, the most accepted definition of female is : "a person bearing two X chromosomes in the cell nuclei and normally having a vagina, a uterus and ovaries, and developing at puberty a relatively rounded body and enlarged breasts, and retaining a beardless face; a girl or woman."

But that is beside the point. You can still act feminine, of course. When Michael referred to the word 'female', he meant the scientific and highly accepted definition.

It is something like this, "How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg?" "Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg."

No one is "wrong" for hating, as long as there's good reason for it.
Unlimited tolerance for everything that's being preached nowadays is ridiculous.
People are afraid to form factions against those they despise, afraid to create enemies and stand up for their ideals.

It takes little to be confused and disgusted.
But it takes a spine to actually display your position.
Be it through words or through oppression.

In other words, if you want to be different, fight for it.

Don't expect everyone to accept you for who you are.
Hell, normal people have to prove themselves to deserve respect.
Abominations in turn need all the more power to have a place in the world.

Power is everything. World peace is nothing, and never will be.