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      Quote Originally Posted by Forsaken View Post
      Nothing is taking energy out of the "totality of existence" though, because there is nothing outside of it to do so. There IS something outside of this guy's magical motor, and if it takes energy from said motor, it will slow down and stop if it's energy is not replenished from some other source.

      The "totality of existence" as a perpetual motion machine is akin to a flywheel spinning in a perfect vacuum on perfect bearings (or in zero gravity), it has kinetic energy, and it will spin practically forever. It spins and spins an spins... perpetual motion! That is, as long as the system remains closed and isolated, just like totality is. The moment you breach the isolation and start pulling kinetic energy out, it WILL slow down and finally stop.
      Yeah, it doesn't work as a good model for a perpetual motion machine that can transfer energy outside of itself. My main deal with this is that the energy in existence originated within existence, but taking that idea to a smaller machine raises the issue of the creation of energy, which probably really is not possible.
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      I think you're wording it wrong. The energy in existence originated with existence as opposed to within it. So we still need to explain existence but our theories of physics tell us that the energy came along for free. Does that make any sense?
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      Quote Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned View Post
      I think you're wording it wrong. The energy in existence originated with existence as opposed to within it. So we still need to explain existence but our theories of physics tell us that the energy came along for free. Does that make any sense?
      Yeah, I think that's probably it. The energy must be as "old" as existence itself, unless history's master physicists are way off and energy can be created as opposed to transferred.

      Okay, I'm starting to doubt more than ever that a perpetual motion machine can be invented. It's running almost completely out of Art Bell room.
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