Thread: Terence McKenna and Time-Wave Zero. Prediction of 2012. Open-Minds only.

So Jesus is the direct cause of all wars on earth after that point in history, and single handily ruined our entire future?

He wasn't born in the other time line, so all countries lived in peace and when the expanded further out they got along and studied each others history, instead of trying to control each other?

We explode a great number of nuclear bombs on their planet, and instead of being mad, they decide they want to save us? If they have cities on their planet, then we obviously could of killed millions.

They great peaceful race that never hurt anyone, where everyone gets along, exploded a nuclear bomb on their sacred home world, to see if it will explode over into our world?

UFO's abduct and probe people, and they are really people trying to cross over to study human physiology, when they are identical to us?

The good dreams are helpful hints from them, while all the bad dreams are from us.

Personally, it really doesn't seem to add up to me. Even if you wanted to believe the generally theory, his description of the other 'world' seems highly unlikely. Though I suppose if they were really contacting him, they would put a positive spin on it. So he would have no idea of anything bad that may or may not be there.

In fact if it was true, he is just their little hand puppet. He is repeating anything they say, and has no way to know the truth of it.

Alric, AFAIK, the whole alternate-no-Jesus-universe is more of a side-musing. In fact, I've read, watched and listened to hours of McKenna and never encountered it until now. It seems to be from a much later date than the Time Wave writings, and have little in common besides a vague reference to 2012. As a comic book, I'd buy it, but as a theory of reality--not so much.

Originally Posted by Alric

So Jesus is the direct cause of all wars on earth after that point in history, and single handily ruined our entire future?

He wasn't born in the other time line, so all countries lived in peace and when the expanded further out they got along and studied each others history, instead of trying to control each other?

We explode a great number of nuclear bombs on their planet, and instead of being mad, they decide they want to save us? If they have cities on their planet, then we obviously could of killed millions.

They great peaceful race that never hurt anyone, where everyone gets along, exploded a nuclear bomb on their sacred home world, to see if it will explode over into our world?

UFO's abduct and probe people, and they are really people trying to cross over to study human physiology, when they are identical to us?

The good dreams are helpful hints from them, while all the bad dreams are from us.

Personally, it really doesn't seem to add up to me. Even if you wanted to believe the generally theory, his description of the other 'world' seems highly unlikely. Though I suppose if they were really contacting him, they would put a positive spin on it. So he would have no idea of anything bad that may or may not be there.

In fact if it was true, he is just their little hand puppet. He is repeating anything they say, and has no way to know the truth of it.

Jesus was not the direct cause of it....Ideology was the cause. And since they are thousands of years ahead of us in technology, than they must be more evolved than us spiritually. He also clearly said that the atomic bomb they set off was an experiment to "confirm" that the explosion leaked into this timeline. It may SEEM "highly unlikely" to you, because it's so unbelievable, but anything is possible.

I want to point out, not only does this resonate a lot with what the prophecies and oracles have said, but also what David Wilock has been saying. And the coming "Heaven on Earth" in the bible.

We still seem to think all the "space monsters want to destroy us", this isn't the case.....they are most want to help us with our spirituality. I think our only enemy is ourselves.

So they are thousands of years ahead of us, yet they did not discover nuclear fusion until a few hundred years ago? They actually invented interstellar space crafts before they knew about nuclear fusion and fission? And I suppose they figured out a better fuel source, which is why they never used nuclear power, until just recently.

So for all their fancy interdenominational and space travel, the people in this world is actually more advanced in some ways, than they are? When we made the first nuclear bomb and exploded it in their dimension, they couldn't even comprehend what a nuclear bomb was.

Something about that time line sounds funky to me.

The Mayans were superstitious dumbasses. Why does everybody go on about the Mayans? And no, I'm pretty sure they didn't predict the end of time, how would we even know that?

Novelty Theory is pseudoscientific nonsense.

And I won't let you tell me otherwise until you explain precisely what a 'fractal waveform' is.

Or perhaps on what basis was the date chosen with regards to the data and the mathematical processes.

Xei, how can you call it nonsense if you don't even understand it lol...you know you really have an oversized ego.

:l

I don't understand it?

You're the one who just completely failed to explain it to me. You didn't even try. Hence, as I explained above, I can only assume that you have no idea what you are on about.

I'll ask again:

What is a fractal waveform?

Based on what data and what mathematical theory was the date based?

Originally Posted by Xei

The Mayans were superstitious dumbasses. Why does everybody go on about the Mayans? And no, I'm pretty sure they didn't predict the end of time, how would we even know that?

Well, your reason is unassailable. Given this flawless rhetoric, no contest is necessary.

Originally Posted by Xei

Novelty Theory is pseudoscientific nonsense.

Pseudoscientific? Without doubt. Nonsense? Not remotely. It's a profoundly effective metaphor precisely because of its mathematical and scientific trappings.

Originally Posted by Xei

And I won't let you tell me otherwise until you explain precisely what a 'fractal waveform' is.

I clarified the term in my first post in this thread, but I'll reiterate with generalities: it is data repeating a predictable pattern not in sequence, but such that each shorter period is embedded within the previous iteration, so that if you zoom in on the final portion of any given wave, you will see the whole pattern repeated, ad infinitum.

Originally Posted by Xei

Or perhaps on what basis was the date chosen with regards to the data and the mathematical processes.

Here I agree that the mathematics were likely made to fit the prediction rather than the prediction derived from the math. The date was most likely an intuitive 'best fit' between the observed historic resonances, the prognosticators' interests and field of study, and roughly the end of Dennis McKenna's own natural lifespan (yet to be determined).

What you're contesting as 'proofs' were never other than explorations arrived at through a revelatory process, couched in the language of our times--always incomplete and partly inchoate, with little relation to the merely empirical disciplines they mimic.

It's not real, 2012 will NOT be the end of the world! On 01/01/13 I'll be laughing, and I'll be on here making a thread calling out everyone who thought otherwise, and making them apologize for fear mongering! No offence to any of you now, but seriously... get real! You argue your case just as well as Sasquatch people do... you convince the UNINFORMED AND WANTING! Only people who are mindless robots, or religious(any difference? HA) will take any of this with a grain of salt! Besides, where do you get off claiming the end of the world? If you're so sure, go out and do something about it... get off the computer and learn an instrument... go and right all your wrongs... or if your not a religious person, go nuts and do whatever you want! Seriously... grow up people.

"But we have proof, math and science and scholars " No you don't, it doesn't take a few people on the internet to find out the world's gonna end... if it were obvious enough to people that spend even a 'minimal' amount of time learning about this stuff... than an authority on the subject would've came up and said something by now!

But wait... maybe the government has managed to convince every knowledgable person in the world to keep their mouth shut! Not likely... besides, many of the greatest minds in the world aren't even under the authority of the american/canadian govn't. And even if they are, the scenario can only go one way "We'll kill your family if you say anything"... "but they'll all die in '12 anyways... I've got nothing to lose" etc

If there were any substance what-so-ever to this theory... than something will have been said!

You're all silly!

edit: ALSO!! How come the 'ancients' new something we don't? Somehow, whit our great accumulation of knowledge, resources, and technologies, we still can't find out what was apparently 'so clear' to the mayan/chinese/klingon blah bah blah... Answer that please!

Also, I'm not some mindless skeptic... I've done my fair share of research over the last year or so on the subject... and though is SEEMS convincing, I'm not convinced!

I love Terence McKenna. I really do. He is one of my favorite science fiction writers.

Originally Posted by mindwanderer

If there were any substance what-so-ever to this theory... than something will have been said!

I think that this whole time-wave zero thing is a ridiculous as the next rational person but you might want to be careful with the "If this was true, we'd know it already" form of argument.


What I want to know is how the "two universes" get reconciled with the Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum physics where all the possibilities have been in quantum superposition all along anyway. That's a little more than two worlds, no?

Originally Posted by mindwanderer

It's not real, 2012 will NOT be the end of the world! On 01/01/13 I'll be laughing, and I'll be on here making a thread calling out everyone who thought otherwise, and making them apologize for fear mongering! No offence to any of you now, but seriously... get real! You argue your case just as well as Sasquatch people do... you convince the UNINFORMED AND WANTING! Only people who are mindless robots, or religious(any difference? HA) will take any of this with a grain of salt! Besides, where do you get off claiming the end of the world? If you're so sure, go out and do something about it... get off the computer and learn an instrument... go and right all your wrongs... or if your not a religious person, go nuts and do whatever you want! Seriously... grow up people.

"But we have proof, math and science and scholars " No you don't, it doesn't take a few people on the internet to find out the world's gonna end... if it were obvious enough to people that spend even a 'minimal' amount of time learning about this stuff... than an authority on the subject would've came up and said something by now!

But wait... maybe the government has managed to convince every knowledgable person in the world to keep their mouth shut! Not likely... besides, many of the greatest minds in the world aren't even under the authority of the american/canadian govn't. And even if they are, the scenario can only go one way "We'll kill your family if you say anything"... "but they'll all die in '12 anyways... I've got nothing to lose" etc

If there were any substance what-so-ever to this theory... than something will have been said!

You're all silly!

edit: ALSO!! How come the 'ancients' new something we don't? Somehow, whit our great accumulation of knowledge, resources, and technologies, we still can't find out what was apparently 'so clear' to the mayan/chinese/klingon blah bah blah... Answer that please!

Also, I'm not some mindless skeptic... I've done my fair share of research over the last year or so on the subject... and though is SEEMS convincing, I'm not convinced!

Anybody who has actually studied the M's Calendar would know it does not say the end of the world is near, the people who said it will be the end of the world is religious people, and nut jobs. The only reason why everyone says it is the end of the world is because this is how people react to stuff, always the worst case scenerio. The world is full of uneducated overwhelming ignorance. Why? because it's much easier to not look at what something says and make up your own bullshit then to take the time to study something. People are a bunch of lazy asses is what it comes down to.

I seriously doubt anyone who comes to this board even believes the end of the world will happen in 2012.

Originally Posted by Taosaur

Pseudoscientific? Without doubt. Nonsense? Not remotely.

What? Pseudoscientific ideas ARE nonsense. It's nonsense parading itself as valid science.


And this mayan calander mumbo jumbo is just the next in a long long long long long line of 'end of the world' scenarios that have been playing out since the year dot. Clearly, not one of them has come true. This one will be no different. Our calender 'ends' every year on December 31st. You know what happens? It starts again! Funny that.