Thread: LSD explained for what it is.

what i said is the truth. you'll find it if you either research in the right places, or out of your own experience.

Originally Posted by Tarsier

what i said is the truth. you'll find it if you either research in the right places, or out of your own experience.

That sounds more like encouraging than discouraging to me.

Originally Posted by Tarsier

what i said is the truth. you'll find it if you either research in the right places, or out of your own experience.

Try looking at Neuroscience. The main effects of these drugs is simply stimulating the brain to the point where its creating much more seratonin and dopamine than usual. The actual drug is gone long before the effects, which are mostly natural. After such a dramatic change in chemistry the brain's likely to be slightly different than it was before, for better or worse (usually better in most experiences). But don't call that brain damage. Physiologically speaking a night of binge drinking does infinitely more damage. Alcohol destroys neurons, psychedelics rewire them.

Neurologically speaking those who are very experienced in meditation can cause nearly identical effects in the mind (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11958969). There have even been psychotic episodes recorded in people practicing meditation who weren't educated about and mentally prepared for a change in consciousness. Use responsibility, get educated, and practice moderation if you're concerned for your safety.

Sure there's a risk factor of illness, but its a far smaller one than you'd think. There's a relatively similar risk factor of crashing every time you take the bus. Nobody's going to stop meditating or taking the bus though.

Originally Posted by Tarsier

what i said is the truth. you'll find it if you either research in the right places, or out of your own experience.

LOLZ I SAID IT, IT MUST BE TRUE! I MAKE UP MAI OWN SOURCES!

Dude, you have brain damage and I bet you haven't even taken a single drug in your life.. I'm also guessing your 14 or under and is still in your mom's ass about "Drugs are bad for you for no reason, don't do em"..

I'm not really ganna argue cause I don't care, there is plenty of research. Now instead of telling us to do the research, how about YOU do it yourself. You'd be surprised how many drugs you thought could harm you can't.

"After such a dramatic change in chemistry the brain's likely to be slightly different than it was before, for better or worse (usually better in most experiences)."

that's brain damage.

"'Brain damage' is a term no longer used today and has been replaced in recent decades by 'brain injury' (BI); meaning the destruction or degeneration of brain cells, often with an implication that the loss is significant in terms of functioning or conscious experience."

Destruction? Never.
Degeneration? Very rarely, if someone already has an underlying condition.

Also, I realize you're here with the best of intentions, but saying these things in a thread full of people who are interested in experimenting is only going to build a stigma that may cause someone to have a bad time. This isn't the time or the place for giving people doubts.

Steesh, don't even bother.
We've all been through it a 1000 of times; Explaining uninformed people that as good as all psychedelics are physicaly harmless, non-addictive and totally low risk substances.
Obviously it doesn't help. People tend to just hold on to their beliefs and let nothing change their minds.
So let people believe what they choose to believe. I'm soooooo tired of explaining people the unbiased, scientificly proven truth to just see them reject it and try to shove their ignorant, false beliefs down my throat instead. I'm not even going to try anymore. I'm just going to keep my distance from such people.

Originally Posted by Tarsier

just stopping in to make sure this thread isn't turning out to be one of those "psychedelic drugs are good for you" things.

remember that they cause brain damage and can give you psychosis and trigger schizophrenia. and a number of other mental problems which you don't want.

don't do drugs kay? they bad.

Tarsier. I do not intend this to turn into a moral discussion on wether drugs are good or bad.
This is simply for people to learn the unbiased truth about LSD. Facts.

Saying "Drugs are bad" is a vague statement since both Cafeïne and Heroin are drugs. You cannot generalise all drugs and then label them "Good" or "Bad" all together.
Please don't scare people off with misinformation. I wasn't discussing the use of Heroin or Cocaine here.

LSD is a proven to be low risk, great potential substance. Totally risk-less? No. But very low risk indeed. With proven high potential as medicine, therapuitical aid, consciousness-exploratory tool and Creative enhancer.
Watch the documentairy. It will change your view on LSD and show you what it truely is.
Unless you wish to defie well-educated scientists with in depth knowledge of LSD.

Originally Posted by Tarsier

"After such a dramatic change in chemistry the brain's likely to be slightly different than it was before, for better or worse (usually better in most experiences)."

that's brain damage.

Why are you telling us this? No one wants your opinion, it isn't even fact.

No one is going to listen to you. I'm taking acid in 3 weeks, your fail opinion has only made me want to try it more.

You aren't a prophet for the DEA, now shut up, leave the thread, and go back drinking your tea. No one cares about you, or your false statements about drugs. You know nothing other than "it causes brain damage"

Which is extremely vague. You listed no source. And ANYTHING can give you brain damage dumbass. Especially when abused.


We know our stuff. Now please leave.

I also think it's funny how you think you know better than, Scientific Proven Data, Wiki, National Geographic, and countless other sources. It's pathetic..

My 2 Cents:

It is important that people, who do them, know what they're doing. And
are mature and in a good place in their life, feel comfortable with themself.
Psychedelics are a powerful tool, but if used irresponsibly, or too early, can
really screw things up. Looking at the bigger picture, I think someone, who
uses psychedelics should be thoughtful and respectful of them - because if
he/she isn't, it distorts the public opinion, of what they're really all about. I
think this is more damaging than all the anti-drug propaganda you can buy.

And with a certain level of maturity, I also mean that a sixteen-year old should
notice that it is better to wait a few years and be garanteed a life-enhancing
experience, rather than risk psychological (not so much neurological) damage.

So in my opinion, everyone, who holds an interest in or uses psychedelics
holds a responsibility to do so intelligently and to (if at all) reflect just that
into the world - in our case the dreamviews forum.

Originally Posted by dajo

My 2 Cents:

It is important that people, who do them, know what they're doing. And
are mature and in a good place in their life, feel comfortable with themself.
Psychedelics are a powerful tool, but if used irresponsibly, or too early, can
really screw things up. Looking at the bigger picture, I think someone, who
uses psychedelics should be thoughtful and respectful of them - because if
he/she isn't, it distorts the public opinion, of what they're really all about. I
think this is more damaging than all the anti-drug propaganda you can buy.

And with a certain level of maturity, I also mean that a sixteen-year old should
notice that it is better to wait a few years and be garanteed a life-enhancing
experience, rather than risk psychological (not so much neurological) damage.

So in my opinion, everyone, who holds an interest in or uses psychedelics
holds a responsibility to do so intelligently and to (if at all) reflect just that
into the world - in our case the dreamviews forum.

Hmm, so you think I should wait up on the LSD? It's weak, but still potent.

I've already done Salvia and Shrooms. And I'm doing DMT reguardless. It's too late, I already bought it

What's y'alls opinion on me doing acid? Should I wait till my body and mind are fully developed? At like 19'ish and up?

I haven't done DMT, so I can't compare.

You are the one that has to decide in the end, if it's the right time or not.
But I would generally say it is safer to wait, yes, maybe until you're 19ish.
Body and mind should be fully developed, you don't want to get in the way
of that. But age depends on the individual.

Considering that at yours (I read somewherer 16/17 if I remember
correctly) you have already done shrooms and salvia and are in posession
of dmt, as well as planning on doing acid in the next three weeks, it shows
to me that you should take a step back. It is not a race to the top!

Originally Posted by Motumz

Hmm, so you think I should wait up on the LSD? It's weak, but still potent.

I've already done Salvia and Shrooms. And I'm doing DMT reguardless. It's too late, I already bought it

What's y'alls opinion on me doing acid? Should I wait till my body and mind are fully developed? At like 19'ish and up?

IMO, do acid before you do dmt. DMT is out of this world. acid is great you have nothing to worry about, and it will deffinetly help prepare you for the dmt trip.

BTW, how much did you get the dmt for?

Originally Posted by dajo

I haven't done DMT, so I can't compare.

You are the one that has to decide in the end, if it's the right time or not.
But I would generally say it is safer to wait, yes, maybe until you're 19ish.
Body and mind should be fully developed, you don't want to get in the way
of that. But age depends on the individual.

Considering that at yours (I read somewherer 16/17 if I remember
correctly) you have already done shrooms and salvia and are in posession
of dmt, as well as planning on doing acid in the next three weeks, it shows
to me that you should take a step back. It is not a race to the top!

Indeed. Psychedelics and haste do not mix.
However if you've done Salvia and Mushrooms and managed those experiences well, then a small dose of LSD really isn't that much of a step further if you know what I mean.

Just don't ever take LSD lightly. Never consume large doses for your first time. Of anything. Don't you take DMT lightly either. A sufficient dose of DMT makes LSD seem like a walk in the park ^^
I remember on the Drug forum reading a comparison between LSD and DMT I very much agree with. Someone said: "Where LSD is like riding a Bicycle, DMT is more like riding a Scudmisile into a black hole." Great description.

Allthough taking high doses of LSD or DMT for your first time might deliver an experience you find terrifying, I do reckon that taking really low doses of them are very unlikely to produce experiences so intense that you find them disturbing. Start with VERY low doses. So low they aren't even likely to be effective. And then VERY gradually increase the dose until a desirable effect is attained.

For good objective information about LSD and DMT(as well as allmost ANY drug known to man), unlike folkloric/urban myths, inquire www.erowid.org

Well I was going to take very low doses of acid. I'm getting 2 hits. 1 should be enough to see visuals and maybe trip. But since I don't actually know the potency, I was going to take the first one and split it in 4ths. And take all 4 separately. Then, I will have a feel for how potent it is.

And as for the DMT, I can't really start with a low dose, because I only have enough for 1 blast off. I could maybe split it up into smoking 1/4. Then smoking the other 3/4's.

I can provide pictures next Wednesday. Maybe someone could eye it. But I'm also getting a scale this weekend, but I doubt it goes as low as how much the DMT will weigh.

Originally Posted by Motumz

Well I was going to take very low doses of acid. I'm getting 2 hits. 1 should be enough to see visuals and maybe trip. But since I don't actually know the potency, I was going to take the first one and split it in 4ths. And take all 4 separately. Then, I will have a feel for how potent it is.

And as for the DMT, I can't really start with a low dose, because I only have enough for 1 blast off. I could maybe split it up into smoking 1/4. Then smoking the other 3/4's.

I can provide pictures next Wednesday. Maybe someone could eye it. But I'm also getting a scale this weekend, but I doubt it goes as low as how much the DMT will weigh.

every time ive taken 1 hit of acid its always been a really mild trip with little to no visuals, so id suggest since you dont know the potency of the acid, take one, see how it makes you feel and if you think you can handel more take the other one, and youll pretty much have the best time ever.

as for dmt, smoke it all at once and blast off. i think its a waste if you only do a little bit and dont breakthrough.

Originally Posted by JamesLD

every time ive taken 1 hit of acid its always been a really mild trip with little to no visuals, so id suggest since you dont know the potency of the acid, take one, see how it makes you feel and if you think you can handel more take the other one, and youll pretty much have the best time ever.

as for dmt, smoke it all at once and blast off. i think its a waste if you only do a little bit and dont breakthrough.

That's what I was thinking. But I want to smoke it just right, so any tips? How did you smoke it with success?

I already have a lot of info on it, but I want your techniques..


And you got no visuals with acid and just a mild trip? Eh, I kinda don't want to take it now. I just want visuals, and no trip. Even if I hallucinate hardcore. I'll trip later when I'm older I guess. I just want to experience visuals with a clear mindset, and not trippin'.

When we say "1 hit" of acid, we do mean 1 blotter tab don't we? Just wanna clear things up.

I've allways taken blotters, except for my first LSD trip when I took liquid mixed with water.

Speaking of blotter tabs: I've had various strength acid tabs, but most average acid takes only 1 tab to produce quite an intense, deep experience. If you take one and are not tripping your face off then it is obviously weak LSD.

But let's assume it is powerfull LSD; then 1 tab is 1 trip. Half a tab is still quite a trip, but alot less intense and alot more sober.

Never take more than 1 blotter tab at once. It may be a bummer to not trip as hard as you aimed for, or not at all, but it might just suck a whole lot more if you take too much.

Originally Posted by SKA

When we say "1 hit" of acid, we do mean 1 blotter tab don't we? Just wanna clear things up.

I've allways taken blotters, except for my first LSD trip when I took liquid mixed with water.

Speaking of blotter tabs: I've had various strength acid tabs, but most average acid takes only 1 tab to produce quite an intense, deep experience. If you take one and are not tripping your face off then it is obviously weak LSD.

But let's assume it is powerfull LSD; then 1 tab is 1 trip. Half a tab is still quite a trip, but alot less intense and alot more sober.

Never take more than 1 blotter tab at once. It may be a bummer to not trip as hard as you aimed for, or not at all, but it might just suck a whole lot more if you take too much.

Well he said they were weak. So I might as well just take the whole thing. But I honestly don't know, so I guess I will just start out with a half, then take the other half if I feel I need it. But I heard that could be risky, because you could peak off the acid pretty much at anytime. So if a half were enough for me, than taking another half to soon wouldn't be smart.

But the only way to know is to just do it. I think I have made up my mind to take acid. I am sticking with low doses though. I might ramp it up once I get the feel for it, but that's about it. I just want visuals and hallucinations while feeling sober.

I once took "too much" acid.
I took 1 and a half blotter tab. It was very amusing. I started laughing uncontrolably. Joyfull hysteria, but a little too far out of control for my likings. It was a lowly intelligent, but enjoyable experience.

I had a ziplock baggy with about 3 more trips. I was in daze and then half way in the trip I FOUND myself eating another tab. Not even realising it at first. I put it away, yet a bit later I "caught" myself again with another tab in my hands. I was having a good time, but a bit on the irresponsible side. Afterwards I couldn't find the remaining tabs.

To the day of today I don't know wether I lost them or ate them all.
It was in a friend's house and it was all okay, but from that moment onwards I decided to stick with 1 hit of acid and no more.
I would be interrested in taking 2 tabs of acid one day, but I think I'll make sure there will be a sober guide.



Generally acid peaks within the first 2 hours after ingestion so if by then you aren´t tripping as hard as intended it is okay to take some more. About 1/4th hit more.

Originally Posted by JamesLD

IMO, do acid before you do dmt. DMT is out of this world. acid is great you have nothing to worry about, and it will deffinetly help prepare you for the dmt trip.

BTW, how much did you get the dmt for?

I don't know if I agree with this. From what I have read, which is extensive, DMT is like nothing you will ever experience on any other drug. The closest drug though is apparently shrooms. But that's using close loosely.

So IMO I think it would be fine to try a small hit of DMT first just to get a feel for it's effects and then work up to a breakthrough.

I don't know why, but I see this contradiction all the time. "DMT is like no other psychedelic" "try acid first though".

Doesn't make much sense to me....

Also Motumz, do NOT. EVER. take the dealers word as gospel. They are mostly scum. "Weak" is objective, he could take acid everyday for all you know and therefore he thinks it is weak, whereas for a first timer it could be incredibly potent. Or he could just be flat out lying.

Anyway, take care. And remember, set, setting, dosage, sitter.

Originally Posted by tommo

I don't know why, but I see this contradiction all the time. "DMT is like no other psychedelic" "try acid first though".

Doesn't make much sense to me....

how does this not make sense? say a person has never taken psychedelic, and there interested in dmt, would you suggest they try dmt first?? thats a little crazy, thats why i would suggest trying other psychedelics first so you get an idea of what the psychedelic experience is like.

Originally Posted by Motumz

That's what I was thinking. But I want to smoke it just right, so any tips? How did you smoke it with success?

I already have a lot of info on it, but I want your techniques..


And you got no visuals with acid and just a mild trip? Eh, I kinda don't want to take it now. I just want visuals, and no trip. Even if I hallucinate hardcore. I'll trip later when I'm older I guess. I just want to experience visuals with a clear mindset, and not trippin'.

they say the best way to smoke dmt is to vaporize it using a crack/meth style pipe.

and im sorry but i am not aware of being able to take acid and get visuals and not trip, it goes hand in hand. Ska, you seem experienced, correct me if im wrong

Afaik having visuals is the trip. How can you separate them? lol
Unless you mean no mind expansions etc, just pretty colours. In which case I would take some Valium or something with it, I heard that pretty much keeps it just a fun thing with no mind expansion. Although I wouldn't count on it.

Well why people might not want to take others first is because they last a lot longer and they could just as easily take a small hit of DMT to test the psychedelic arena. Makes more sense to me. And since acid is almost nothing like DMT, how would LSD prepare you for DMT?

Well having experienced quite alot of both high and low doses of both LSD and DMT
I can personally say that a low dose of DMT is nothing to even remotely fear.

The same can be said for low doses of LSD except the potency of LSD is alot harder to determine than the potency of DMT.

Even if you have relatively impure DMT(with alot of plant oils and fats still mixed through) a needle-pin volume(roughly translated in between 30 and 40 miligrams) of DMT is pretty much allways effective.(crossing the bottem line of peripheral effects)

A low dose of DMT is a very friendly, calm, meditative experience unlikely to be intense to even the most inexperienced psychonaught. It is VERY different from a high breakthrough dose of DMT; Which indeed IS much like riding a scudmisile into a black hole in terms of intensity.