Thread: Trippy 2012 Thought

Another 2012 thread?

Originally Posted by tommo

Besides, December 21st, 2012 WHERE? Where on the Earth is this date based off? December 21st in Australia will still be December 20th in America.

Haha! Great point!!

Originally Posted by tommo

Besides, December 21st, 2012 WHERE? Where on the Earth is this date based off? December 21st in Australia will still be December 20th in America.

Ya but the world revolves around America so Australia can suck it because our calender is the universal calender designated by the pope, jesus and darth vador.

Funny thing is, most Americans would believe that.

Sad but true.

To quote someone on a blog:

"The world will end on 2010, because of all the people who will go crazy thinking the world really will end."

Yup, pretty much. Self-fulfilling prophecy is self-fulfilling.

Originally Posted by Loaf

To quote someone on a blog:

"The world will end on 2010, because of all the people who will go crazy thinking the world really will end."

HAHA yeah I've thought of that too lol.
Would be pretty funny really.

Actually there is scientific evidence to support something big will happen on 12/21/2012.

Well first, scientists agree that there will be the largest solar flare in history take place in 2012.

Another thing is the ancient Mayans ended their calender on 12/21/12 striking it as the "end of time". Not the end of the world. Linear time. It also strikes the last step in human evolution. Universal co-creation.

In 2012, we'll be able to see the transit of Venus across the sun. Which won't happen for another 100 years I believe. Then 200 days after that is the winter solstice, a total solar eclipse will take place and the earth sun and planets will be perfectly aligned, with the milky way galaxy and superblack hole. .

I think the supermassive black hole's (at the center of the galaxy ) gravitational pull will effect us and we'll be pulled in.

If you were to somehow witness this without being sucked in, you'll see everything being stretched and pulled into the black hole within a period seconds or so. While if you experience it, you'll be getting sucked into the black hole for eternity, where time and space begin to slow down ( or speed up? ) until it dissapears all together. .

Terrence Mckenna also agrees with this.

I think where human destiny is headed is beyond time and space. An eternity.

IF we survive. I believe we will though. If time and space dissapear...well, that's the same thing as a lucid dream. Free to do whatever you want with the power of thought and belief alone.

So yea, if things are obliterated when entering a black hole, yea earth will be obliterated. But we won't experience it. we'll experience no-time and no-space for eternity.

We are very lucky to be alive during this time to witness this. Some researchers strongly believe that the Mayans created the monument on eastern island because their "god's and king's" will return to view these events.

http://cosmology.berkeley.edu/Education/BHfaq.html#q3

At first, you don't feel any gravitational forces at all. Since you're in free fall, every part of your body and your spaceship is being pulled in the same way, and so you feel weightless. (This is exactly the same thing that happens to astronauts in Earth orbit: even though both astronauts and space shuttle are being pulled by the Earth's gravity, they don't feel any gravitational force because everything is being pulled in exactly the same way.) As you get closer and closer to the center of the hole, though, you start to feel "tidal" gravitational forces. Imagine that your feet are closer to the center than your head. The gravitational pull gets stronger as you get closer to the center of the hole, so your feet feel a stronger pull than your head does. As a result you feel "stretched." (This force is called a tidal force because it is exactly like the forces that cause tides on earth.) These tidal forces get more and more intense as you get closer to the center, and eventually they will rip you apart.

Could you kindly explain how we would survive, good sir? Us, insignificant jellybags to the universe? How are we so special as to survive falling into a black hole? This is, of course, assuming everything you posted is true, and without some good sources, I find this hard to believe.

Well since no light can escape a black hole, it makes sense that anything that enters a black hole will reach or exceed the speed of light from the gravitational pull of the black hole.

They say it's impossible to reach the speed of light. But once you do time and space slow down to the point of no-time and no-space.

They say you would die as you reach the speed of light which is true in a sense. If you reach the speed of light, you turn into light, or pure energy. So yes, you did die, but you wouldn't know it and you exist outside of time and space.

Uh...wow, I'm not even sure how to respond to that.

If you've been converted into pure energy, you don't have a brain for processing information. You're dead, mate. You're no more alive than some poor fool that got shot in the head and didn't see it coming.

Also, I don't believe you actually end up traveling at the speed of light as you fall into a black hole...the big concern is the pure strength of gravity tearing you to shreds.

Well if you believe that without a brain you can't have any sensory input, than thats that. You die.

It's one thing to just be shot in the head and instantly die, but a whole other thing when you are approaching the speed of light and you die without knowing it, thinking you are still alive.

Science won't ever know what's beyond beyond death because it doesn't have the answers to things beyond time and space ( the physical )

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Well if you believe that without a brain you can't have any sensory input, than thats that. You die. Even though the opposite has been studied.

You don't have a brain, you don't have eyes to see with, you haven't anything to relay sensory experiences to anything that can make sense of them; you die.

Also: note studied, not confirmed.

It's one thing to just be shot in the head and instantly die, but a whole other thing when you are approaching the speed of light and you die without knowing it, thinking you are still alive.

Yeah...no. You get shot, you die immediately. Same thing. Bro getting shot never saw it coming; I'm sure he still thought he was alive that split second before kicking the bucket.

Science won't ever know what's beyond beyond death because it doesn't have the answers to things beyond time and space ( the physical )

...and why should we have any reason to believe there is anything beyond the physical? Seems like quite the big assumption to make. "I saw a slimy track in the mud. It must have been the noodle of the Flying Spaghetti Monster! I shall believe this without any further evidence!"

Certainly seems ridiculous, but not that different from what you're proposing.

If you were converted to pure energy in such an environment, wouldn't it seem like an instant to an outside observer.

But to the person actually experiencing it, time would slow down exponentially ?

You don't have a brain, you don't have eyes to see with, you haven't anything to relay sensory experiences to anything that can make sense of them; you die.

You also don't use your eyes when you dream.

but man, I'm not going to go into this type of discussion with you and I won't push my beliefs onto you. So if you believe when you die, you just die, and that's it, then we'll just leave it at that.

If you were converted to pure energy in such an environment, wouldn't it seem like an instant to an outside observer.

But to the person actually experiencing it, time would slow down exponentially ?

yes. Look at the video I posted. The clock ( time ) is slowing down.

That's what he's saying? That makes more sense. However, my argument still stands:

Within a black hole, the laws of nature break down, so there is no guarantee that, even if you did somehow reach the speed of light, you would exist in no-space and no-time.

There is no guarantee that you reach the speed of light while falling into the singularity. Just because light does not escape does not mean that something must be traveling the speed of light to enter a black hole.

Really? The earth is going to fall into a black hole for no solid reason?

Originally Posted by quicksilver girl.

you're no fun.

Yes I am

Originally Posted by Lucid_boy

Ironic, you sit here on the internet and complain about people coming up with conspiracies while you sit on the internet and talk about the B.S. conspiracies.

This doesn't in any way devalue my point though.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Then 200 days after that is the winter solstice, a total solar eclipse will take place and the earth sun and planets will be perfectly aligned, with the milky way galaxy and superblack hole. .

I think the supermassive black hole's (at the center of the galaxy ) gravitational pull will effect us and we'll be pulled in.

I actually thought you were joking at first...
Looking at a black hole won't make you fall into it (astronomers would be doomed ). So, no, the Earth isn't likely to rush halfway across the galaxy to get sucked in just because you're seeing the sun setting in that general direction or whatever. And just think of all the junk it would have to go through to get there. You'd be dead long before you could get ripped apart by the black hole's gravity.

Also, you can't "align" with the galaxy - you're part of it - and planet alignment has happened quite recently and it was going to be "the end of the world" - again - and yet here we are typing away.
If you're really into this stuff, you should check out astronomy sites instead of 2012 ones, imo.

There's so much misinformation/disinformation on the Internet, it's kind of hard to trust anything you read, especially something as big and controversial as 2012.

NASA says that there won't be ANY galactic alignment at all and that it's all a big scare.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fea...012-guest.html

Whatever the case, I guess we'll know the truth at 2012.

http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-...ns-and-answers

Maybe I should write a book on 2012 lol. I'd generate some serious cash.

You know, as a matter of fact, it would even make sense if all this 2012 apocalyptic is a hoax. It's all
coming together. I can't believe I didn't see this before. I was too young to remember Y2k. But I can bet this 2012 is the same thing as that. I bet there is some serious cash being made from all this.

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

There's so much misinformation/disinformation on the Internet, it's kind of hard to trust anything you read, especially something as big and controversial as 2012.

That's what I meant.
There's no reliable information on something like 2012 to be found, only on the phenomenons people associate with it. It starts with the simple fact that it's the number on our calendar correspondent to the end of a mayan time cycle - so, one should check with archeologists for info, see where that came from.
If people start talking about cosmic events, check how those work with astronomers and so on. Simple.

NASA says that there won't be ANY galactic alignment at all and that it's all a big scare.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fea...012-guest.html

Whatever the case, I guess we'll know the truth at 2012.

http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-...ns-and-answers

Yep, they pretty much covers the whole thing.

The problem with the "alignment" thing is that most people don't know or understand what is aligning and don't bother to learn, otherwise they wouldn't go around thinking it would make a big difference to the planet (well, not unless they believe in stuff like the zodiac, I suppose). And even the actual alignment is kind of relative, a matter of perpective.

Maybe I should write a book on 2012 lol. I'd generate some serious cash.

You'll have to hurry, the clock is ticking!

You know, as a matter of fact, it would even make sense if all this 2012 apocalyptic is a hoax. It's all
coming together. I can't believe I didn't see this before. I was too young to remember Y2k. But I can bet this 2012 is the same thing as that. I bet there is some serious cash being made from all this.

And that's why you don't remember all the hoo-ha back in May 2000 because of the planet alignment. Then the day finally came and absolutely nothing happened. Not even some weird little tide or something. Boring!

You know about Atlantis, right? There are hoards of people claiming all kind of knowledge about it but the fact is that the only mention EVER to it is a brief descritpion in an unfinished story by Plato.
Same thing here. Mayans had a calendar. It's major cycle ends in our 2012. OMG!


Anyway, more info:
http://2012wiki.com/index.php?title=..._the_equinoxes
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...1304657107238#

Originally Posted by HaRd_WiReD

Maybe I should write a book on 2012 lol. I'd generate some serious cash.

I've been thinking the same thing.

Wouldn't be too hard, just make everything up. Just LD about it and write it down lol Tell everyone you've seen the end.
I might do it. You're free to take the idea though lol

I don't know, this seems kind of fucked up though. Spreading more lies and more fear. Have you seen that south park episode of "Scientology". It's like wow, they really believe anything you tell them. But nah I won't do it, even though it sounds too easy. Make a blog or website writing articles on 2012 and direct traffic to it. Sell survival kits, etc. It definitely can be done, but I won't do it. It just seems wrong.

2012 is a cash-cow, and everyone is milking it dry.

The astronomer on that video I posted said that one person even came to him so in fear of 2012 he said he would commit suicide. That's when think this is being taken too far.

Still I think the alignment will be very cool to look at on 2012.

Archaeologists say that on 2012, the mayans "ancient king's and god's/men of wisdom" ( E.T.'s maybe? ) are returning to view the celestial events on the huge monument on eastern island. Mayan elders are saying the same thing, that is ALL the prophecy actually says and about shifting into a new age. Nothing about end of world, or pole shifting or Nibiru, world domination, etc.

Tommo, the venusproject looks interesting. But I doubt we will be alive to experience that. They'd have to first terraform venus which would take who knows how long.