Thread: Homosexuality, how can it not be considered an abnormality?

Originally Posted by dajo

That's how:

1,500 animal species practice homosexuality

Homosexuality is quite common in the animal kingdom, especially among herding animals.
Many animals solve conflicts by practicing same gender sex.

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...exual_behavior

Haha, dogs are not homosexual. Male dogs hump other male dogs to show dominance, they are not penetrating the anus. They lick each others penis not to give pleasure but to groom one another. I own three dogs myself, I see how they interact everyday. I'm sure all the other animals on the list have similar stories. I have nothing against homosexuals, but I definitely consider it abnormal.

Maybe you should read past the first response or even click one of the sources... ?

But sure, you're even free to believe the world is flat if you'd like. My personal experience
doesn't tell me otherwise, since I have never personally seen it to be spherical. So, haha

Originally Posted by byungsukimmishi

Haha, dogs are not homosexual. Male dogs hump other male dogs to show dominance, they are not penetrating the anus. They lick each others penis not to give pleasure but to groom one another. I own three dogs myself, I see how they interact everyday. I'm sure all the other animals on the list have similar stories. I have nothing against homosexuals, but I definitely consider it abnormal.

That dogs groom and show dominance is not evidence that there are no homosexual dogs. I happen to know a pair of lesbian dachsunds.

Originally Posted by dajo

Maybe you should read past the first response or even click one of the sources... ?

But sure, you're even free to believe the world is flat if you'd like. My personal experience
doesn't tell me otherwise, since I have never personally seen it to be spherical. So, haha

Cute.

Originally Posted by Taosaur

That dogs groom and show dominance is not evidence that there are no homosexual dogs. I happen to know a pair of lesbian dachsunds.

How could you possibly know they are lesbians?

Ok first of all this is a lucid dreaming sight if u didn't know. And second of all who are u to say what is normal? This is an idiotic post.

Originally Posted by byungsukimmishi

Cute.

Good thing you caught the point I was making.

scientific evidence vs personal experience.

"them scientists are wrong, I look at my dogs and they're just playin' " doesn't cut it.

At the very least, read the sources before writing them off...

Originally Posted by byungsukimmishi

How could you possibly know they are lesbians?

That would be called sarcasm, mate. And now that I have a moment, I can argue exactly why I don't think homosexuality is "abnormal." First off, for humans, sex is about far more than reproduction, and serves numerous social roles and functions. To argue that it is "abnormal" solely from the standpoint that it decreases the likelihood a gay person will reproduce is ludicrous. Second, it can generally be shown that homosexuality is not a choice the individual actively makes, and while a specific cause has yet to be identified, it can be assumed within a reasonable degree of certainty that people do not choose, change, and shift between sexual orientations. To any who disagree with this point, I offer a challenge: think of a member of the same sex. Do you feel any sexual attraction toward this individual? Would you shag them at the drop of a hat? No? How interesting. Yes? Come out of the closet, seeing as how you're either gay or bisexual. I speak from experience when I say I have no sexual attraction toward other men, and while I can appreciate a good-looking guy, in no way do I want to shag him. Third, and possibly most importantly, it is found in nature all over the place. Even provided that dogs may not be gay, it is still prevalent in many other species, including bonobo monkeys, some of our closest relatives. Homosexuality is not in conflict with nature, and indeed appears to be an integral part of it.

Originally Posted by Mario92

To any who disagree with this point, I offer a challenge: think of a member of the same sex. Do you feel any sexual attraction toward this individual? Would you shag them at the drop of a hat? No? How interesting. Yes? Come out of the closet, seeing as how you're either gay or bisexual. I speak from experience when I say I have no sexual attraction toward other men, and while I can appreciate a good-looking guy, in no way do I want to shag him.

That is because you are sexually repressed. You just admitted that you could appreciate a good looking guy, which means that you do find him attractive, even if it is at a very small level. How can you even say a man is good looking? Just by saying their good looking, you are admitting that he has more pleasing features than another man.

I believe being gay is totally a choice, and I see no logical reason why it wouldn't be. Everyone is more or less bisexual to some degree or other. The only thing you need to do to become gay is to explore same sex often enough, that it becomes pleasing for you.

Straight people are straight, because they decide not to explore that path. The reason they don't explore it, is normally either because of social and cultural reason or for things like religious reasons.

I think the idea of a gay gene is silly. If a person is gay, and they can't help but being gay, its just because they are hooked on being gay. If a person says they can't stop them self from eating potato chips, my first instinct isn't there must be a potato chip eating gene. That is just silly. Clearly they just are hooked on eating them! Either they just really enjoy them, or because of some social mental pressure that is causing stress and making them eat to forget their problem. Though any of that can imply to anything, including who you have sex with.

Originally Posted by Alric

That is because you are sexually repressed. You just admitted that you could appreciate a good looking guy, which means that you do find him attractive, even if it is at a very small level. How can you even say a man is good looking? Just by saying their good looking, you are admitting that he has more pleasing features than another man.

I believe being gay is totally a choice, and I see no logical reason why it wouldn't be. Everyone is more or less bisexual to some degree or other. The only thing you need to do to become gay is to explore same sex often enough, that it becomes pleasing for you.

Straight people are straight, because they decide not to explore that path. The reason they don't explore it, is normally either because of social and cultural reason or for things like religious reasons.

I think the idea of a gay gene is silly. If a person is gay, and they can't help but being gay, its just because they are hooked on being gay. If a person says they can't stop them self from eating potato chips, my first instinct isn't there must be a potato chip eating gene. That is just silly. Clearly they just are hooked on eating them! Either they just really enjoy them, or because of some social mental pressure that is causing stress and making them eat to forget their problem. Though any of that can imply to anything, including who you have sex with.

I disagree that recognizing someone as being attractive prooves that someone has some small sexual attraction towards them.

I could be castrated, have all my sexual centers of my brain removed, and still acknowledge that by societal standards one person is attractive and another is not. I may also be negatively predisposed to someone I don't know because they are considered 'ugly' and I may subconcioussly like someone more because they look nice, (whether male or femal.) This is not culture repressing sexuality but just training us in what looks are ideal.

Does that mean judges at dog shows feel bestial attractions because they find one one dogs features more pleasing than another dog?

Originally Posted by spockman

I disagree that recognizing someone as being attractive prooves that someone has some small sexual attraction towards them.

I could be castrated, have all my sexual centers of my brain removed, and still acknowledge that by societal standards one person is attractive and another is not.

Except we weren't talking about someone being pleasing by societal standards. We were talking about looking at a person, and personally finding them more pleasing than another person. Not because of standards created by someone else, but your own internal standards, that one person is better looking than another.