Thread: Lucidology 101 & Nicholas Newport (Entire Video Course Here)

2, Hi Dream Viewer’s

This is the transcript of number 7 on the list (without the car salesman stuff). I picked number 7 to transcribe cos it has got the most views since yesterday 11am (my time).

2=92;346 +12hrs(+114)
3=67,845 +12(+81)
5=39,651 +12(+47)
6=97,589 +12(+337)
7=38,315 +12hrs (+374)
8=23,400 +12(32)
9=14,469 +12(11)
10=32,618 +12(38)
12=51,980 +12(57)

Lucid Dream Timer Method: Fastest Way To Have Lots Of OBEs & Lucid Dreams - Lucidology 101 Part 7/12

(00:30)
Here in Lucidology part 7
We’ll cover The Timer Method

This is a very powerful trick that allows you to cheat and easily trigger as many OBE’s as you want.

(…)

(1:07)
So far we have learned how to put the body to sleep as fast as you can and enter a subconscious focus. You start off awake and alert and end up asleep and in a subconscious focus. (diagram)

But

What we really want looks more like this (diagram). What you want is to hover on the awake-asleep thresh hold. So you slip into a subconscious focus without losing too much awareness by slipping into a deep sleep.

(…)

You may be thinking, “Easier said than done”. Because what usually happens is when people try to do this they just fall asleep and that’s the end of it. The solution most books give is to hope that you some how magically become aware within the dream spontainiously. The idea is that by telling yourself over and over, while your awake, to become lucid, that eventually you’ll have lucid dreams just from force of habit alone.

This is possible but it is very unreliable. It takes months of practice to get this to work and even when you can do it, it’s always a matter of luck. You never know for sure if your going to have an OBE on any given night.

(…)

(2:22)
It turns out that such a secret weapon does exist. It’s called a digital cooking timer.

The idea is to fall asleep as normal and don’t even try to stay aware. You set the timer to beep so that it wakes you up a few minutes later. By waking-up and falling asleep every few minutes, without moving, you formed a safety net so you don’t fall too deeply asleep, but instead enter a subconcious focus.

This uses a principle from hypnosis called “Fractionation”. Hypnotic Fractionation means that when you are put into a trance, then are taken from that trance, the next time you enter a trance you’ll enter it more deeply than before. That means that if you can enter even the slightest trance then you can enter a very deep trance, just by going in and out of that trance over and over.

This is how you can hover on the awake-awake thresh hold and ease your way into an OBE without having to use any practice of skill.

(…)

(3:49)
So here is the big picture in a nutshell.

First you wake-up and fall asleep 4 or 5 times, without moving, using a timer. And using the sleep commands from 101 parts 3 and 4. This will put you in sleep paralysis.

Then

You use “Reality Checks” from part 8 to check that you’ve shifted into a non-physical focus.

Then

You use an exit method and convert paralysis into an OBE or a lucid dream. We will cover basic exit methods in Lucidology 101 part 12. (…)

(4:24)
To do this you have a couple of options for timers, including:

Cooking Timers
Timer MP3’s and
The Lucidology Flash Timer.

I started out using a ten dollar cooking timer and it works just fine. To use one of these, memorise the buttons, so you can reset it using your thumb, without looking at it. Sleep with it in one hand then move only your thumb when reseting it and the rest of your body will stay in paralysis.

Alternately, in your Lucidology Explorers Kit (…)

(…)

big explanation of RAMP timer setup (…)

(6:39)
This is enough to make you become spontainiously lucid in the middle of a dream in expectation of the phantom timer beep that never happens.

The phantom beep can also give you waking sleep paralysis. Because the body continues to sleep and doesn’t care about the phantom beep.

Whether you get an Lucid Dream or OBE from this depends on where you’re focussing at the moment of the phantom beep, either in the dream or on your physical body.

(7:07)
If you get a Lucid Dream you clarity level will likely be less than most OBE’s. However Lucid Dreams are often a lot more fun because they often start out in some kind of strange, other-wordly area, which is usually more fun to explore than the non-phisical version of your bedroom.

OBE’s often have much higher clarity than Lucid Dreams.

When you use the timer method you’ll end-up with plenty of each so you can decide which you prefer.

(7:30) I’ve had enough transcribing for now. Maybe I might finish the last 3 minutes tomorrow. It is 4:10 PM Wednesday, January 26, 2011 here in Adelaide. I have been at Netzone for 5 and a half hours and I want to use my next 30 minutes spacing out on YouTube.

Here is the link if you want to listen to the end of this 101 part 7.

YouTube - LucidDreamTricks's Channel
(10:46) 38,398 views
it playlists into part into part 8.

Here Nick is interviewed for Lucid Dream Exchange by lucid veteran & author Robert Waggoner

Interview

Hi Kuroth

I am at Netzone Internet Café, and since you said you wanted the PDF’s of Lucidology 101 I thought I’d transcribe the 2nd vid from Youtube cos I don’t think there are any PDF’s for 101 like there is for 102. Enjoy.

The Stop Drop & Roll Sleep Command To Fall Asleep Fast - Lucidology 101 Part 3/12

(00:11)

Here in part 3 we’re are about to use the “Stop, Drop, and Roll” sleep command to get the body to ask for permission to fall asleep. And then giving it the “Yes” command to fall asleep.

In the last section we found that sleep paralysis is most likely when you wake up and fall asleep again without moving at all, so to do that you need a way to fall asleep quickly and reliably. The question is, “How do you do that?” The key is in the principle of Mind Body Independence.

Mind body independence means that you mind and body never know precisely what the other is doing. For instance, your body is growing hair (…etc) all at the same time. Your mind is mostly unaware of all these things. (…) This is mind body independence.

(01:01)

Mind body independence also works the other way.

When your mind falls asleep your body never really knows completely for sure what has happened and if your mind is really asleep or not. So when does your body know when to enter sleep paralysis? The Key is that even though the mind and body, work independently, they still communicate using a language.

By learning the words in this language you can talk to your body biologically to make it fall asleep when you want it too. The first word in this language is called, “The Rollover Signal”. When your body has been very still and relaxed for a long period, your body starts to wonder if maybe the mind has fallen asleep, if would be a very serious mistake if the body went to sleep too early, so the body sends a test signal to the mind.

This test signal feels like a strong urge to rollover. If the mind is asleep then the mind does not respond. And the body decides that the mind is really asleep and shuts down.

If the mind does respond to the rollover signal and you move then the body knows that the body is still awake and does not fall asleep.

So this is a major mistake that you need to avoid.

(2:09)

Never respond to the body’s rollover signal because that sends a message to stay awake rather than fall asleep. This can be very difficult because the signal can become so strong it is excruciatingly painful.

(…diagram…)

(03:55)

Finally, the fourth type of rollover signal is called, “A Quick Switch”. If sleep paralysis is the Holy Grail for new OBEers, the Quick Switch signal is the Holy Grail of urge surges. It happens quickly and rewards you with a nice deep sleep paralysis almost instantly.

It is also a very unmistakeable feeling which is extremely useful because it lets you know what’s going on.

This usually happens in one of two cases:

First, when the body is really tired and wants to go to sleep right now.

Second, when the body was very recently asleep and is deeply relaxed.

In order to make those cased more likely you need a way to bring on the rollover signal as fast as possible. So, how do you do that? The trick is to use the right body position. The body position that brings on the rollover signal faster than any other position is simply to lay flat on your back with your arms at your side.

When you lay with your arms at your side you will likely be tempted to place your hands on your stomach or cross your ankles. This is a veiled form of the rollover signal. If you get that sensation it means you’re on the right track. Just make sure not to give in, keep your arms at your side and your ankles slightly separated.

Using this simple bit of information we can eradicate the single biggest cause of insomnia the toss-and-turn syndrome. When you toss and turn in bed what your doing is resetting the bodies internal sleep timer each time you rollover. The body is trying to go to sleep by sending you a rollover test-signal but you keep telling not to sleep when you move.

So you end-up stuck in a toss-and-turn loop and never get to sleep. This results in insomnia.

So you may be thinking, “Is that it, you just lay there?”

Not quit, there is a few things you can do to actively do to speed things up to tell your body to fall asleep. What we do is add body positions right after the hands at your side position.

The first position is to lay with your hands above your head. The final position is where you roll over and then fall asleep in that position. We chose these positions very carefully so that when you move from one step to the next you release the maximum amount of tension possible.

This way instead of haphazardly releasing small amounts of tension by tossing-and-turning over and over you release it in exactly two calculated big chunks and get it over with all at once. Here’s what’s happening at each step:

(6:17)

The first step is the STOP or relax step. In this step you have your arms above your head relax at deeply as you can. Once you feel you have relaxed as far as you can, then

DROP your arms down to your side, which releases all the shoulder tension that you couldn’t get rid of from just laying there. Next is the Drop or ask step, when you drop your arms to your side and relax, your body will start to seriously consider that maybe the mind is asking it to fall asleep. This position will make you want to rollover, which is what you want.

The stronger the rollover signal the more the body is asking for permission to fall asleep. If you get to a point where you feel like it’s plateaued, slowly ROLLOVER, which puts you in step 3.


Step3

In the “Roll” or YES step you tell the body, “Yes, it’s time to fall asleep”. Simply Rollover and don’t move until your asleep. (…)

(7:11)

Now the sneaky thing is that the ROLLOVER signal changes based on how your laying and that may trick you into moving. The rollover signal when you’re on your back tends to centre in your chest. However the rollover signal when you are on your side tends to make you want to move your legs.

Don’t fall for that, don’t bend them or straighten them or anything, keep your legs perfectly still. The urge to move your legs is a disguised rollover signal so you must resist it at all costs.

There’s one last very powerful trick in reserve that you can use when you have a real hard time falling asleep.

(7:40)

The Key is to build up a super strong rollover signal before even getting into bed. Rather than trying to fall asleep in your bed, lay down on the floor next to your bed and relax. This is unpleasant and after forcing yourself to lay there perfectly still for 10 or 15 minutes when you do finally do allow yourself back into bed your body will be so grateful that it will grab the chance to fall asleep as quickly as it can.

In extreme cases you can even lay on uncarpeted floor such as in your kitchen which will build up the rollover signal very quickly

(end of lesson. Followed now by 2 minutes 45 seconds of the #@@*!!!*@@# hated salesman spiel hehehe)

Thank You very much Debra.. Are you going to transcribe the rest of the videos as well Pretty please lol

Originally Posted by mcwillis

Here Nick is interviewed for Lucid Dream Exchange by lucid veteran & author Robert Waggoner

Interview

Just read this. Very nice post. Thx

Originally Posted by atkins513

Thank You very much Debra.. Are you going to transcribe the rest of the videos as well Pretty please lol

Hi Atkins

Yes

but I have paid my $10 for 5 hours here at Netzone again and when I finished my transcript i clicked on the "check status" button and discovered that I had been working for 2 hours and 55 minutes with out a break. So I'm off to have some lunch, it is 1:37 pm here Thursday 27 Jan 2011.

Bye for now (bfn Debbie)

Part 5 (third on list cos part 1 and 4 are missing on Youtube)

Ok, this is a bunch of stretching exercised for relaxing into an OBE or Lucid Dream and I ain’t going to transcribe it.

(00:11)
Here in part 5 we’ll cover the exact relaxation routine that you can use to fall asleep quickly so you can cure insomnia and have frequent Lucid Dreams and OBE’s.

You don’t have to spend hours relaxing every part of your body in order to have OBE’s. About 90% of your body’s tension is in about 10% of your muscles.

From (00:45) to (02:55) is all about the jaw muscle. Step 1, 2, and 3 is stretching the jaw.

(2:56) Step 4 is stretching arms and chest against a wall.

(3:14) Step 5 is stretching shoulder and chest tension.

(3:30) Step 6 is stretching the bottom of your feet and calf.

(3:44) Step 7 hands and forearms.

(3:52) Step 8 slow windmill to relax shoulders.

(4:07) Step 9 lay down and roll-around for a minute (hahaha)

Once you’re done rolling around…

(4:47) Step 10 Stop, Drop and Roll.

(4:59) Step 11 Sleep Breathing.

(5:04) Step 12 Relax your eye’s and stop eye-micro-movements.

(5:16) Step 13 count 150 heart beats.

(5:38) Step 14 Switch on the Rollover signal.

(5:44) Step 15 Tense and Release each muscle group.

(6:45) Step 16 Rollover and release any remaining tention.

(6:55) Socks and Earplugs.

(7:30) sales man spiel.

I love you Debra Jane. Thank You for transcribing these This will come in very handy.

I watched Stop Drop and Roll. He seemed to insist on taking forever to use confusing, made-up/redundant terminology and graphs to explain something that's really pretty simple. It rings of an infomercial. I didn't learn anything I didn't already know by reading a tutorial here at DV (outside of the sleeping positions which I have major doubts about... How/why are those three, in that order, the best positions to relax in? What if I'm uncomfortable on my back/side? How is this supposed to release more tension than any other method? What part of my body is "asking permission" and "jumping on the chance" to fall asleep? Never explained.)

Maybe the guy has good stuff in there but I'd rather people learn from a group of basically anonymous experienced dreamers who have nothing to sell you. Then they wouldn't have to waste like an hour watching a bunch of fluffed-out videos that make lucid dreaming seem really complicated.

The stop drop and roll series seems to be the only one that confuses people of this series and is usually the one that gets the most criticism. I think he takes so long to explain it because he explains it in great detail, more so than most of us need. But this technique for some reason does work as I have tried it. I think the reason it works is because its just relaxation. Relaxation that we all need in wilding.. The reason for the laying on the back with arms up is because these are typically uncomfortable positions.. then with arms down to the side is less uncomfortable.. then to your side, where most people sleep.. after being in the previous 2 uncomfortable positions first, then to your most comfortable your body will go to sleep much faster in theory. I don't necessarily think that your body is asking permission, as much as it is your mind. Science has shown that many parts of our brain are independent from one another and do not communicate. It is possible that one part of the brain ask another part if sleeping is ok by sending signals that make the body uncomfortable.. and depending on the response, sleep paralysis may or may not start. This is theory but it makes sense.

We can all continue to discuss these methods and move forward from there. I will be posting each method then moving forward a discussion of it in the near future.

Part 6 101 the sun
5:07:42 PM

(00:00)

Hi this is Nicholas Newport and welcome to Lucidology 101: HOW TO TRICK YOU BODY INTO FALLING TO SLEEP, to quickly start having lots of OBE’s and Lucid Dreams without using any visualizations.

(00:11)

Here in part 6

We’ll find out how to a void the number one mistake that nearly everyone new to OBE’s make

And

We’ll find out how to use the Sun to optimize your brain chemistry for Lucid dreams.

Plus

We’ll cover the one OBE induction that I would if I was not allowed to use any others.

(00:27)

Here is a mistake I see almost everybody make. This is really not their fault because most books on OBE’s are actually telling people to make this mistake. A lot of times people will ask for advice in forums about how to do OBE’s. The posts often start with something like:

“Last night I went to bed to do an OBE”

At this point they’ve actually already made the cardinal OBE mistake. The mistake is, don’t do your OBE attempts at night, like most books say. Instead, do them in the early morning.

This is because optimal OBE brain chemistry is all about your bodies “circadian rhythm”. I had literally thousands of OBE’s in the early morning, I’ve had fewer than ten, at night. The two main chemicals involved here are “serotonin” and “melatonin”

Serotonin is your “on” switch, it helps you stay alert and lucid, it’s a feel-good neurotransmitter which helps you brains neurons transmit signals more freely. Your body uses serotonin to make melatonin which is your “off” switch and helps you relax, it tells your body to shut-down for sleep and begin repairing. Melatonin stimulates the immune system, it is also associated with anti-ageing and human growth hormone and it’s an antioxidant.

Serotonin is made when your body is exposed to light.

Melatonin is made from serotonin at night in the dark.

Melatonin breaks-down under light. This creates the “Melatonin Circadian Rhythm”. At night-time you have very little melatonin. It starts increasing around dusk and peaks around 2 to 4 am. It then breaks down again at dawn.

The other secret ingredient is the “fight or flight” hormone called “cortisol”. Cortisol is depleted throughout the day but then surges back in the in the early morning in preparation to wake you up. The interplay between cortisol and melatonin creates “the ideal sweet-spot for OBE’s in the early morning.

This sweet-spot is between 4am to 5:30am. During the sweet-spot relaxation is easy because of relatively high melatonin levels and you’ve been relaxed for several hours during sleep. Alertness is easy because cortisol brings with it a rush of two other stimulants called epinephrine and nor-epinephrine.

These stimulants are ment to help wake you up but you can use them for dream-alertness instead. Bedtime is the single worst time of all for OBE’s because your brain chemistry is geared for the opposite of lucidity at that point, instead, it’s geared for zonking-out, which is what always happens in the questions I see in forums. At bedtime you’re low on cortisol and melatonin, by the time you’ve relaxed enough to fall asleep, your cortisol levels are so low you have virtually no chance of regaining lucidity.

So

If that’s the wrong way to do it, what’s the right way to do it?

(3:23)

Well if there was only one method that I could use, this is the one, it is called, “Wake-Back-to-Bed” and it was invented by a former NASA Engineer Doctor Albert Taylor, he’s also the Author of an excellent book called “Soul Traveller” which I definitely recommend everyone reading.

Here’s how Wake-Back-to-Bed works:

You get up in the early morning during the OBE sweet spot. You then stay awake for a period of time and then go back to sleep. Use the sleep paralysis methods we covered earlier and you’ll likely have spontaneous OBE’s and Lucid Dreams. We’ll use Wake-Back-to-Bed as the foundation for an even more advanced induction later-on called “The Timer Method”.

The reason Wake-Back-to-Bed works so well is because of the “Fundamental Theorem of Sleep Paralysis”, if you wake up and fall back to sleep in the early morning you’re pretty much begging for sleep paralysis and spontaneous Lucid Dreams. In fact before I knew anything at all about OBE’s I used to have waking paralysis episodes all the time and I didn’t know why, it was really frustrating to wake up and not be able to move. I later realized that it was because I was not sleeping well and was waking-up for a few minutes and then going back to sleep without moving.

That caused the paralysis.

And it is the basis for pretty much all of our induction tricks.

So,

How do you improve on Wake-Back-to-Bed?

The immediate answer is to “tweak” the amount of time you stay awake before going back to sleep again. You have two options:

The first is to stay up for a short period. For this strategy you wake-up, don’t move at all, not even your eyes, fall back to sleep and keep your awareness on your body for the sleep paralysis wave to come.

The second strategy is the long period. You wake-up, get up, stay-up for a while and then go back to bed.

Both approaches work well but which one should “You” use? Going right back to sleep without moving makes it very easy to fall asleep again, however it’s also very likely that you’ll fall completely asleep and not become lucid. Even so, this is the method that I use most because it requires no planning or effort. With option two where you get up from bed for a while it’s harder to fall asleep again, however it is very likely that you will become lucid if you do sleep.

(5:37)

Research by Doctor Stephen LaBerge
Has shown that getting up for an hour before going back to bed significantly increases lucidity.

My personal experience and most of the people I’ve advised suggest that 45 minutes works slightly better than an hour. Several people who have not been able to have success by staying up for an hour were able to have OBE’s simply by changing the wakefulness period to 45 minutes. Waiting until you start yawning again is also a good rule-of-thumb.

(6:09)

The amount of Sun you get has a GIANT IMPACT on your ability to have OBE’s because your body needs Sun in order to make serotonin. Get at least an hour of out-side sunlight at daybreak and sundown. Those are the best times to get sunlight without risk of sunburn because the sun is so low in the sky.

Then at night make sure to turn the lights down for at least an hour or so before going back to bed. The body is not designed for the abrupt light to dark change you get with artificial lighting. By turning the lights down gradually you simulate sunset and greatly reduce the chance of insomnia.

Finally, always avoid TV at night. The first problem with TV is that it prevents the gradual period of darkness that you need before sleep. The second problem is more subtle.

Research by Psycho-physiologist Thomas Mulhowen (I can’t spell Mohowen or what)
Showed that within 30 seconds of watching TV your brain enters an alpha state. There isn’t anything wrong with an alpha state by itself if fact there are a lot of benefits to alpha brain waves which are beyond the scope of this section. The problem is that in alpha the mind is much more suggestible than normal.

Alpha is actually the state the brain enters in response to smoking pot. Watching TV is not the same as smoking pot but that is the direction the TV is taking your brain by putting it in alpha.

Herbert Krudman (I can’t spell Crudeman either) also showed that TV causes the left hemisphere to virtually shut down and the right hemisphere to become twice as active as the left. The left hemisphere is what the brain uses for critical thinking and analysis, while the right side is more emotional. This switch from left to right causes the brain to release a surge of opioid’s into the blood stream which has an anaesthetic effect on the mind.

(…) (lalala)

If you go to sleep in that state it leads to hazy dreams. If you do have an OBE in that state it’s very unlikely to be very clear (shut-up Nick, I like watching TV before bed).

(8:23)

In the next section will cover the fastest way ever to have OBE’s and Lucid Dreams. This technique is “The” missing piece I wish that I had known when I started doing OBE’s, it’s called “The Timer Method” and allows you to cheat and easily trigger as many OBE’s as you want without using visualisations at any point.

(But … and hear comes the salesman spiel again)

Hi folks

Nick’s Timer Method was the second vid I transcribed. It is already on this thread. It is called part 7: The Timer Medthod.

I think I only got 4 more to transcribe

Part 8 (The 4 Easiest Movement-Free Reality Checks)
Part 9 (Exit Blindness)
Part 10 (Vibrations)
Part 11 (part 11 is missing)
Part 12 (5 fast Exit Methods)

But you might be waiting a while for them so enjoy what I already did.

Thank You so much Debra!

Friday (28 January 2012)

Just Woke, remembered dream of being on 2-deck bus. It tried but couldn't go down side of house to back garden. I got off. It tried again. Later other passenger's showed me video of bus trying to run down other pasenger's who got off.

Anyway

Got up now at 9am to see if I can do some 101 stuff and get Lucid tonight.. I will keep editing into this post as I go along, to keep everything together.

Friday (28 January 2011)

Just Woke, remembered dream of being on 2-deck bus. It tried but couldn't go down side of house to back garden. I got off. It tried again. Later other passenger's showed me video of bus trying to run down other pasenger's who got off.

Anyway

Got up now at 9am to see if I can do some 101 stuff and get Lucid tonight.. I will keep editing into this post as I go along, to keep everything together.

Thanks for instant reply Atkins that was very surprisingly and encouraging.

I corrected the date cos it is not 2012 yet hahaha. I am continuing this note in my "phone notes" and will have a go at "back-spacing" the original post and see if I can replace it with this

Then I hope to get some sun and leave my TV "off" all day as Nick suggests.

I have had several lucid dreams where buses have alerted me to the fact that I'm dreaming. They aren't a dream sign, I just realise I'm dreaming when I'm on a bus...

Thank You Debra, once you get all the videos Transcribed I'm going to put it all together in an easy to read format for everyone. Thank You very much!

I also wanted to mention the lucidology method of "translucent eyelids effect" again.


This morning when I was attempting to wild, during the attempt to realize I was falling into a dream.. I kept realizing I was looking at my hands, and then once I was on a computer.. trying to wild. I was looking at the laptop with my hand on the mouse trying not to move it.. then i snapped out of it and realized i had completely missed a false awakening.. I started trying to wild again, laying perfectly still.. and im looking at my hands again... trying not to move them so the wild attempt goes successful... then i wake up again... I realized everytime I was doing this I forgot to look for the translucent eyelids effect.. (which means I somehow have sight even though my physical eyes are closed.) FOR 1- i wasn't even in front of my laptop I was laying on my back.. the laptop was in the other room.. for ) 2-I had visual sight. This is the kicker.. i forgot to realize when I can see even through my physical closed eyes I am DREAMING.. I missed 3 separate attempts because I fell into nonphysical awareness without realizing it lol.. the fact that I could see normally tells me immediately that I am dreaming.. but I forgot to remind myself to look for that.. sux lol

So as a reminder to anyone out there, when wilding, if you see anything clearly, such as your ceiling, your hands, or your room. You are dreaming because your physical eyes are closed and its impossible to see lol

Originally Posted by mcwillis

I have had several lucid dreams where buses have alerted me to the fact that I'm dreaming. They aren't a dream sign, I just realise I'm dreaming when I'm on a bus...

I haven't read the other 2 pages on you mcwillis, but the first one I could see that you are extremely biased towards Newport. It was like looking at an uneducated consumer, no offense.

You keep quoting everything that he says, and taking them for fact. You were all like "Have you had a WILD in 15 seconds using sleep breathing? I don't think so!" and "He's had 1000's of LD's and can do them at will every morning!"

Now, I'm not saying he hasn't. I believe someone who sells LD tutorials for a living will have LD on his mind, therefore have some LD's. BUT you shouldn't take everything you hear for granted, because let's face it. Everything you hear is not fact, or reality. Take a classic example, if you hear something in your dream did it really happen in reality? No, it happened in your dream.

I'm not saying you're uneducated either or anything pertaining to that, but you really should reconsider your posts when you are trying to convince people that Newport is a genuine person, without having to post achievements of his that have no foundation for truth. Just saying.

P.S I found Newport before I found Dreamviews (actually, I was researching whether he was legit or not and that's how I found DV). So I have him for that, and for reviews on this site that are biased towards him, I don't mind. I believe the poster of the reviews because he/she had bought the course and can link everything he said back to a term used by LaBerge or was mentioned in his book (which is great btw, you should read it if you haven't already). Sooo.. that's my opinion on the matter. I just couldn't stand watching you post claims by him as if they were fact. Kind of a pet peeve of mine

Originally Posted by LucidTeammate

I haven't read the other 2 pages on you mcwillis, but the first one I could see that you are extremely biased towards Newport. It was like looking at an uneducated consumer, no offense.

You keep quoting everything that he says, and taking them for fact. You were all like "Have you had a WILD in 15 seconds using sleep breathing? I don't think so!" and "He's had 1000's of LD's and can do them at will every morning!"

Now, I'm not saying he hasn't. I believe someone who sells LD tutorials for a living will have LD on his mind, therefore have some LD's. BUT you shouldn't take everything you hear for granted, because let's face it. Everything you hear is not fact, or reality. Take a classic example, if you hear something in your dream did it really happen in reality? No, it happened in your dream.

I'm not saying you're uneducated either or anything pertaining to that, but you really should reconsider your posts when you are trying to convince people that Newport is a genuine person, without having to post achievements of his that have no foundation for truth. Just saying.

P.S I found Newport before I found Dreamviews (actually, I was researching whether he was legit or not and that's how I found DV). So I have him for that, and for reviews on this site that are biased towards him, I don't mind. I believe the poster of the reviews because he/she had bought the course and can link everything he said back to a term used by LaBerge or was mentioned in his book (which is great btw, you should read it if you haven't already). Sooo.. that's my opinion on the matter. I just couldn't stand watching you post claims by him as if they were fact. Kind of a pet peeve of mine

Thanks for posting here. I am glad you apparently noticed I did not make any claims of fact, just that things seem to be, or feel like lol.. but the fact is that I also bought the paid information for Lucidology as well.. and mcwillis has as well ( he stated it several times but you said you didnt read all his stuff) So we are both more informed on Lucidology than most on these forums who claim he is a fraud and dont listen to him.

The fact is the newbies who listen to the biased information about newport and avoid using his methods, EVEN his FREE ones, that they are likely to be missing many opportunities to have lucids. As I had stated before 60 percent of the 100+ lucids I Have had in my first year are thanks to these methods. I had my first 12 successful wilds using his methods.

So Lucidteammate, I notice you are new here. I dont know if you have had lucid dreams before or not, but if you have not, or have not had very many, I highly suggest you try the timer method for induction. It worked for me the very first time I tried it and has been successful many times since.. thx for joining and thx for your input. I don't personally mean mcwillis is meaning to state it all as a fact, but more as his opinion that he believes it personally because the methods have worked for him. I think the point you bring up is really just a matter of how he wrote his statement, not a real declaration of any kind.

Originally Posted by LucidTeammate

I haven't read the other 2 pages on you mcwillis, but the first one I could see that you are extremely biased towards Newport. It was like looking at an uneducated consumer, no offense.

BIAS = inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair. You should read those pages then as I have said his technqiues work exceedingly well so I am not biased.

Originally Posted by LucidTeammate

You keep quoting everything that he says, and taking them for fact.

One doesn't get asked for an interview with the magazine lucid dream exchange unless one is highly experienced in the field which Nick is. You're confused, I think you meant DebraJane as she has been doing all of the quoting with her transcritptions and not me.

Originally Posted by LucidTeammate

BUT you shouldn't take everything you hear for granted, because let's face it. Everything you hear is not fact, or reality.

I have been researching and practicing some of his techniques for the last three years and they work so I am not making assumption as you say I am.

Originally Posted by LucidTeammate

I'm not saying you're uneducated either or anything pertaining to that, but you really should reconsider your posts when you are trying to convince people that Newport is a genuine person, without having to post achievements of his that have no foundation for truth. Just saying.

I think you should educate yourself by reading his interview with the magazine Lucid Dream Exchange conducted by Robert Waggoner.

Originally Posted by LucidTeammate

P.S I found Newport before I found Dreamviews (actually, I was researching whether he was legit or not and that's how I found DV). So I have him for that, and for reviews on this site that are biased towards him, I don't mind. I believe the poster of the reviews because he/she had bought the course and can link everything he said back to a term used by LaBerge or was mentioned in his book (which is great btw, you should read it if you haven't already). Sooo.. that's my opinion on the matter. I just couldn't stand watching you post claims by him as if they were fact. Kind of a pet peeve of mine

Newport's work has been more effective for me than LaBerge's work. FACT.

Originally Posted by atkins513

So as a reminder to anyone out there, when wilding, if you see anything clearly, such as your ceiling, your hands, or your room. You are dreaming because your eyes are closed and its impossible to see lol

I have to disagree with this. It is absolutely not impossible to see your room while you are dreaming, and I would know because I have done it many many times. In fact, I can switch between being in a lucid dream...to opening my eyes slightly to look around my room...and then shutting them again to reenter the same lucid dream quite seamlessly. So maybe I don't understand the "see through eyelids" technique, but I can definitely say that I have found it entirely possible to see my ceiling or bedroom while dreaming.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

I have to disagree with this. It is absolutely not impossible to see your room while you are dreaming, and I would know because I have done it many many times. In fact, I can switch between being in a lucid dream...to opening my eyes slightly to look around my room...and then shutting them again to reenter the same lucid dream quite seamlessly. So maybe I don't understand the "see through eyelids" technique, but I can definitely say that I have found it entirely possible to see my ceiling or bedroom while dreaming.

I do think you may be mis-understanding what I mean, maybe not but let me try to explain better. What happens regularly when I am attempting to Wild is I am laying there doing the attempt.. and suddenly I realize I am looking at the ceiling.. But we know this is impossible unless I am dreaming. I cannot see through my physically closed eyes if I am awake, only if I am dreaming. So you and I are actually agreeing Aquanina lol. This will definitely happen to some people and will not happen to others. Depending on your expectations. It isn't that you can see the ceiling through your physical closed eyes, its that you switch from physical to nonphysical without realizing it and suddenly you are looking through your "eyes" in a false awakening. This is a false awakening. The way you catch it is by realizing you can suddenly see. This is just a false awakening, but thinking about "when I can see my ceiling I am dreaming" is my spin on it, because weirdly enough, its exactly what happens. Then I can just hop out of bed and run around in my false awakening/LD. See what I mean now.. We are agreeing that it happens to you and I both

Also, I cleared up the post you found confusing. Check it out and let me know if you think it gets my point across better

Originally Posted by mcwillis

BIAS = inclination or prejudice for or against one person or group, especially in a way considered to be unfair. You should read those pages then as I have said his technqiues work exceedingly well so I am not biased.

One doesn't get asked for an interview with the magazine lucid dream exchange unless one is highly experienced in the field which Nick is. You're confused, I think you meant DebraJane as she has been doing all of the quoting with her transcritptions and not me.

I have been researching and practicing some of his techniques for the last three years and they work so I am not making assumption as you say I am.



I think you should educate yourself by reading his interview with the magazine Lucid Dream Exchange conducted by Robert Waggoner.



Newport's work has been more effective for me than LaBerge's work. FACT.

Ok, I am just stating right now that I take a neutral stance in this discussion. I have not used the methods from Lucidology, but that does not mean I will never try them or that I'm just going to slag it off.

But there are some points I feel I need to make.

1. Being biased is basically favoratism. You choose one side over another, and pretty much makes you deaf to what others have to say. This has happened to both sides of the debate I believe, including you, Mcwillis! I have seen some of your posts in other threads, and when people say that the methods are not working for them, you tell them they've worked for you and so they should try harder (not your exact words but basically the gist of it) and it feels (to me) as though you assume that since these methods work for you, they must work for that particular person... I think you need to remember that everyone is different, and what works for you and Atkins may not work for other people

2. About the magazine interview; I see interviews all the time where the people are not as experienced as they seem. Although as I have a neutral stance, I cannot say whether he is or not. I'm not taking sides. What I think LucidTeamate means, is that you are saying that he can get lucid in 15 seconds and has had 1000 lucid dreams. But people can lie. I don't know where you got this information from, but just because Nick Newport says he has doesn't mean he's being truthful. I think this is what LucidTeamate was pointing out. But then again, maybe he has. Just because he says he has doesn't mean I believe it to be true. I am uncertain on this matter however, because to me there is no way of proving or not proving that he has done these achievements.

3.Once again, what works for you may not work for others. But I am glad it works for you

4. As I stated in point 2, what he says in the magazine may not be altogether truthful.

5. Newport's work may work best for you, but I'm pretty certain that for other people LaBerge's work will work better for them than Newport's. It is again the simple matter that everyone is different and percieves things in different ways. Some people will prefer Newport's work whereas others will prefer LaBerge's.

As I said, I would rather not be swayed either way until I tried these methods for myself. But if I try them and they do not work, I won't go around saying it's a scam because they could work for other people as they have for you and Atkins

I hope they continue to help you.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

I have to disagree with this. It is absolutely not impossible to see your room while you are dreaming, and I would know because I have done it many many times. In fact, I can switch between being in a lucid dream...to opening my eyes slightly to look around my room...and then shutting them again to reenter the same lucid dream quite seamlessly. So maybe I don't understand the "see through eyelids" technique, but I can definitely say that I have found it entirely possible to see my ceiling or bedroom while dreaming.

Hi Aquanina and Atkins513

I read the email of your post and cos I couldn't sleep (without my pain meds) I thought I would get up and watch my old 101 download again. This is the related bit:

11:40 to 12:40 of 37 minute 101 download.

(11:40) Another phenomenon that goes along with sleep paralysis is as unusual as it is useful. When you enter paralysis often time you find that you can look around the room even if your eyes are closed. In fact even if you are wearing an "eye-mask" you may find, all of a sudden, you can see the room.

(12:00) This is called the "transparent eye-lids effect" and it is useful because it gives you a "reality check" that you van use to test for sure if you've entered a subconscious focus.

More importantly, you don't have to move to do this check.

The "transparent eye-lids effect" works because when you're dreaming, you usually can see things and it doesn't matter if your physical eyes are closed since your not focussed on your physical eyes. Your focussed in your subconscious dream environment which allows you to draw-in whatever sensory information you want from it, including sight.

You might not always get the transparent eye-lids effect but if you do then you can be sure that you're in the subconscious.(12:40).