Does REM Rebound happen after TWO nights of sleep deprivation?

[SuperFob]

I know that one night of sleep deprivation will be followed by REM rebound leading to increased dream activity. But does the REM rebound happen after TWO nights of sleep deprivation? For example, someone who sleeps 1 hour one night and 1 hour the night after that. Would that person have REM rebound happen on the third night? I'm not sure that they would. Studies done on human beings and animals showed that people sleep more deeply after one night of sleep deprivation to make up for the lost sleep. But they don't sleep any more deeply after a second night of sleep deprivation. Studies show that people go back to sleeping normally after the second night of deprivation. I think that means that REM rebound won't happen after two sleep deprived nights. The reason I ask is because I only slept one hour last night. And after an unpleasant dream experience not too long ago, I'm looking to avoid the REM rebound. So I'm thinking that if I restrict myself to 1 hour of sleep again tonight, I'll be able to avoid the REM rebound tomorrow night.

[Maria92]

Question. Why are you restricting sleep one night and depriving yourself of the chance to lucid dream, and instead banking on the following night being slightly better? On top of that, sleep dep isn't exactly the healthiest thing you can do. It would be of more benefit to just sleep normally where possible and get a good feel for your dreams. You can journal and check for dream signs and work on your induction methods. It's so much more beneficial than foregoing that one night in the hopes the next will have slightly longer (read: not necessarily more lucid) dreams.

[SuperFob]

It's so much more beneficial than foregoing that one night in the hopes the next will have slightly longer (read: not necessarily more lucid) dreams. Oh, I know perfectly well that things don't better serve my purpose just because they're longer. For example, if I hadn't made my original post in this thread as long as I ultimately did, maybe you might've actually read the whole thing

[dakotahnok]

I'm not sure that they would. Studies done on human beings and animals showed that people sleep more deeply after one night of sleep deprivation to make up for the lost sleep. But they don't sleep any more deeply after a second night of sleep deprivation. Studies show that people go back to sleeping normally after the second night of deprivation. Yes people do sleep more deeply during the second night and then sleep normal for the rest of the nights. But that's when you sleep a full night on the second night. If you only sleep one hour on the second night than it doesn't matter how deep you sleep you are still going to be sleep deprived.

[nina]

Hey why don't you just start taking some benzos which will inhibit REM sleep. That way, you won't have to deal with unpleasant dreams! If you want to avoid REM rebound...sleep more. Take naps. I'm not sure that they would. Studies done on human beings and animals showed that people sleep more deeply after one night of sleep deprivation to make up for the lost sleep. But they don't sleep any more deeply after a second night of sleep deprivation. Studies show that people go back to sleeping normally after the second night of deprivation. I think that means that REM rebound won't happen after two sleep deprived nights. Citations.

[SuperFob]

Citations. Pardon? Anyway, last night I went to bed expecting the REM rebound due to being sleep deprived from the night before. I slept like half an hour to an hour, and don't remember any dreams. The last thing I remember from before waking up last night was laying down on the floor and waiting to fall asleep. This is kind of creepy, actually. Normally I don't consider it significant when I can't remember my dreams. But with the REM rebound and all the time I spent stressing out about what would happen when I actually fell asleep, I feel like I was supposed to remember my dreams from last night. And I remember absolutely nothing. Just an hour-long hole in my memory. I could've had the most terrifying nightmare of my life last night, yet there's zero evidence of it in my memory right now. Makes me wonder wtf was going on in my head. Not that I really want to remember my dreams either way. Because if anything, this past week I've spent on dreamviews has made scared of my dreams, not excited about them like I was hoping to be. Makes me miss the days when I could just go to bed without worrying about dreams at all. Funny how sleep went from being a temporary relief from my problems to being a doorway to a whole new world of problems instead.

[nina]

Citations. I was asking for your information sources regarding the above quote. You know, where you got the info. I'd like to check your sources. Why has DV made you scared of your dreams exactly? Why are you only sleeping an hour each night? You are going to become dangerously sleep deprived, in which case, you will have much more to worry about than merely bad dreams. Get some sleep. Seriously. Sleep deprivation like that can make you psychotic, give you hallucinations, and cause you to fall asleep while driving or other similar dangerous circumstances. If you are having problems with insomnia, see a doctor. If you are too scared about what you might dream to go to sleep, see a therapist.

[SuperFob]

Citations. I was asking for your information sources regarding the above quote. You know, where you got the info. I'd like to check your sources. I knew that's what you were asking me for. But I was wondering why you said it in a way that made it seem like I was obligated to post those citations in the first place. Why are you only sleeping an hour each night? I'm not planning on doing it each night. I only did it the last two nights. And from now on, I'm planning on doing it twice a month. The reason I did this is that I had a few experiences years ago where I took adderall while I was sleep deprived. The odd combination of the meds and the sleep deprivation made me happier than I've been in years. So I was trying to recreate that experience the past two nights. If you are too scared about what you might dream to go to sleep, see a therapist. I'm not scared about dreaming during a normal night's sleep (which'll usually be like 5.5-7 hours for me). I'm only scared about what I might dream about in a night of REM rebound. I seem to have found a way get around the REM rebound, however, so I don't really have much left to worry about there. Why has DV made you scared of your dreams exactly? I have some mildly paranoid habits. When I started spending time on dreamviews and thinking about dreams more and more, those paranoid habits translated to my conception of dreaming. Every time I'm awake and start wondering if I'm dreaming, the impulse is for me to immediately start listing out in my head all the things that can possibly go wrong in my environment. For example, I'll start thinking to myself "What if the ceiling collapses, what if a dragon materializes outside my window, what if Saddam Hussein randomly walks into my room and tries to strangle me, etc." Luckily, I've never actually become aware of the possibility that I might be dreaming during an actual dream, or else that pattern of thinking would quickly result in a nightmare.