Thread: Will these techniques help me gain my first lucid dream?

Yeah, they will probably work. If they don't, try WILD out. Also I suggest trying out MILD. It's an improved version of DILD basicly, and it works wonders with WBTB.

Thanks. I'll attempt ny current bunch. If it don't work. Will try WILD, as scary as it seems..

If you do attempt to WILD try not to think of it as something scary, think of it as more of a little adventure, an exploration of what it feels like being conscious whilst falling asleep if you want.
It can be an interesting an exciting experience to witness your own body falling asleep and a dream slowly forming out of nowhere.

Try to think positive thoughts whilst WILDing, it might not be scary at all for you.

I personally find SP fun. But maybe that's just me.

Same for me, I find it rather interesting and exciting, even somewhat relaxing.
It's obviously different for everyone though.
I believe that if I wouldn't have informed myself what SP can feel like before attempting to WILD for the first time, it might have been quite a scary experience.
Fortunately I did and it was all good.

Personally, I am a huge advocate for dream journals! I think that keeping a dream journal, for me, has been the single most useful thing when it comes to dream recall and lucidity! Keep up the dream journal! How long have you been writing in it?

I remember my first SP. Was not fun.
Basically got tossed around my room and then someone barked in my ear.
But that's a discussion for another thread.

Ok I just joined here and this is my first post so plz don't take anything the wrong way. Ibelieve that, as a Hypnotist that did my first induction when I was 19 years old and now I'm 48 and have the skills to place people into hypnotic trance in 8 out of 10 people in under 20 seconds, therefore my belief is, guiding someone into a lucid dream would be quite easy. I'm sure you have different opinions of what hypnosis is ..... My opinion is that life is just varying degrees of wakeness or sleep depending on how you see it. I think many belive that lucid dreaming is when dreams and supposed reality seem to be undefinable (you dont know which you are, awake or asleep) I have given people experiences thru hypnosis that they can not tell were only in their minds eye.

Ok so here is my advice focus on several things at the same time therefore occupying your concious mind allowinhg your sub concious direct access .... start with focus on what you wish to achieve then add one thing to focus on like your breathing then add another and another like your heart rate all the while focusing on your original thought of dreaming and controlling that dream. Things you can focus on are sounds feelings and things you see that are distractions anyway or that are soothing. I can self inducein about 3 to 5 seconds regardless of my suroundings.

I hope that helps someone...... Now how does one become a guide here ? I'm also curious as to what I need to do if I wanted to provide a free webinar for interested members? Is it ok to post such events and if it is ok where do I do that? I have a lot to offer from my experiences and look forward to contributing to others lives.

Do you do medical or "recreational" hypnosis?

I've found that those easily overwhelmed have trouble with this technique as they tend to just give up. I've also found that based on how one's mind is oriented (logically or creatively) can affect how distraction induction works. Of course, the mind is much more complex than this and not everybody is either-or, but it seems to be a decent approximation. It's worked for me (almost) every time.

If you're a generally logical person, I find using numbers and rhythms works very well. i.e. Have your subject count up to 100 from zero. At the same time have them focus on an external rhythm (metronome or operator tapping on the wall), at the same time have them count from one to four on their fingers, and restart at one every time they get to four, then start a cycle of counting down from 100 at the same time, etc.

For a more creative or abstractly-minded person, use scenarios, imagery, and a mantra. I have much more experience with this method, so it's more polished than the other. i.e. Have your subject imagine themselves on a boat looking up at the night sky. They see the moon. The moon is getting slowly closer with every second. At the same time have them imagine the moon is a clock face, the hands going faster for a bit, (pause about 2-3 seconds) then slower for a bit, repeating at about that speed. Then have them repeat a single word, either out loud or in their head. Choose any word, and have them change the word every once in a while. Then change the clock's direction. Then have it get slowly smaller. etc, etc.

After you have them doing this, you can start suggestion or suggest that they will stop everything and go into a deeper hypnotic state when you say stop, then wait a second, and strongly/loudly say STOP and physically stop their hands if you have them moving their fingers. Then use this split-second moment of surprise to spew as much suggestion as you can, or move on to deepening.

I can't imagine these methods would work any differently for self-hypnosis. Remembering to keep adding things and changing it up is just one more thing to focus on. I try to aim at about 7 specific concepts. (Very specific, as you want to completely fill their short-term memory) I usually end up dropping a few things (like the boat) later on in the induction. Rather than going into suggestion after the distraction, just repeat the suggestion on your mind during the distraction.

Note: I thought I was an abstract thinker until I tried the induction on myself. The logical induction ended up working much better on me. If one doesn't work, try the other.

Okay.. the alternative non-sycophantic view:- IMO:

Originally Posted by SuperSah

I'm wondering if the techniques i'm using now will help me gain my first lucid dream?

Currently, I am doing a dream journal.

Don't even bother. New Age hype, IMO. You don't need one.

Originally Posted by SuperSah

I also am trying DILD. i may also try those brainwave sound things. They apparentlt(sic) help you gain lucidoty.(sic)

Don't buy into all that laBerge New Age s**t. All he did was steal Celia Green's methodology and ideas, and invented acronyms to describe LD scenarios that had been known of for hundreds, if not thousands of years. Charlatan and thief. Don't believe me? Read her 1968 book "Lucid Dreaming" and then tell me that I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by SuperSah

If you guys know any techniques tbat can help a noob like me, i'd be thankful. (;

Yes, I know several good ones. Why do you want to LD? (I hesitate to say "learn".. barely anyone has the disposition to work and practice for years, which is what it takes).

Originally Posted by Oneiro

All he did was steal Celia Green's methodology and ideas, and invented acronyms to describe LD scenarios that had been known of for hundreds, if not thousands of years. Charlatan and thief.

It got him a Ph.D.

Originally Posted by wyoung348

I remember my first SP. Was not fun.
Basically got tossed around my room and then someone barked in my ear.
But that's a discussion for another thread.

Someone barked in your ear?
Explain?

Well, I probably physically vocalized from the shock of all the tactile weirdness, and combined with the other audio hallucinations it scared the s**t out of me.
The worst part was it was right in my ear, as if someone made a vocal noise an inch from my ear.

What it sounded like, I don't know. At first, I remembered it being a word, but I soon forgot what word that was, and I now don't even remember what it sounded like. It was brief, one syllable.