past frustrations... possible to circumvent?

**Dareloth** · 11-27-2012 06:36 AM

hello all,

i used this site years ago and have practiced lucid dreaming on and off for more than a decade but always quit due to low yield of lucid dreams and the poor ratio of gain to effort.

basically i was writing three pages of dreams every morning (Seriously time consuming!), practicing MILD memorization and other techniques, reading about it, etc. etc. and only having one or so lucid dreams a month or less. so lots and lots of time and energy with little results.

anyone know of a streamlined technique that will yield at least one a month or so but takes less effort and time?

for example maybe just writing down a few notes about your dreams in the morning, never exceeding a page, and practicing autosuggestion at bed time? not that that would work at all, it's just an example as it would be super easy and could still have some yield. i'm okay with low yield as long as it's also LOW EFFORT***.

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further info:

i'm interested specifically in shamanism, consciousness exploration, spreading my meditation and not self practices into my dreams, and lots of other ideas. ie. my interest is far beyond "lucid dreaming is fun!". hence i keep trying.

i started when i was a teenager after watching waking life and then reading ewld. had some success, then fell out of it. year goes by, try again. quit, years go by try again. lather, rinse, repeat. the most time that's ever gone by between me trying to get back into it is probably about two years. the "on" times are probably about six to eight month intervals with the longest being about a year.

***every time i've gotten into it it's always been with very dedicated interest. so don't think i'm just lazy. i'm just very busy. i've set alarms to go off at 90 minute intervals so i can journal all night. i've read three books on lucid dreaming and countless articles. tried different combinations of supplements. tried MILD, WILD, DILD, etc. i once practiced dream yoga with such enthusiasm that i truly didn't pay attention to job training and it negatively affected my work! i spent the day reminding myself i was dreaming and didn't focus on the job lol!

i've been at it for more than a decade off and on. more off than on.

**Kruse** · 11-27-2012 11:31 AM

for example maybe just writing down a few notes about your dreams in the morning, never exceeding a page, and practicing autosuggestion at bed time?

In my experience it's not really the amount you WRITE DOWN about each dream, but more that you write SOMETHING down so that you can remember it. If I go through my dream journal, most of my entries are no more than 5-10 short sentences long but I can still recall every single one of them and the landscape or situation I was in when I had the dreams.

**paigeyemps** · 11-27-2012 02:33 PM

Hi Dareloth. It's great to see that you haven't given up completely!

You probably have tried it, but would you be interested in practicing DEILD? It doesn't require much preparation before bed. The thing is that you just have to train yourself to notice when you're starting to wake up in the night, lay still (or move as little as possible), and try to maintain awareness as you reenter the dream. Plus, if the DEILD attempt fails, you can still DILD.

http://www.dreamviews.com/f49/dutchr...60/index7.html

As for the journalling, you don't have to write down a lot. I personally don't write down my dreams in the short night awakenings. When I wake up in the night, I use some mnemonics, or try to remember the most significant part of the dream I just had. It's only when I finally wake up in the morning that I try to recall them. [Also, when my recall sucks, I tell myself that if I couldn't remember the dream, it probably just wasn't awesome enough! Lol.]

Btw, you could still try some supplements if they worked for you before. I guess it can't hurt, right?

Good luck!

**Dareloth** · 11-27-2012 07:53 PM

is it just my computer or does dreamviews suck now? i can't edit my posts or "reply with quote", half the stuff doesn't work on here.

**Dareloth** · 11-27-2012 08:57 PM

okay i give up. i'll do it manually,

quote:

Hi Dareloth. It's great to see that you haven't given up completely!

You probably have tried it, but would you be interested in practicing DEILD? It doesn't require much preparation before bed. The thing is that you just have to train yourself to notice when you're starting to wake up in the night, lay still (or move as little as possible), and try to maintain awareness as you reenter the dream. Plus, if the DEILD attempt fails, you can still DILD.

Dutchraptor's Deild Guide - Become an Ld god.

As for the journalling, you don't have to write down a lot. I personally don't write down my dreams in the short night awakenings. When I wake up in the night, I use some mnemonics, or try to remember the most significant part of the dream I just had. It's only when I finally wake up in the morning that I try to recall them. [Also, when my recall sucks, I tell myself that if I couldn't remember the dream, it probably just wasn't awesome enough! Lol.]

Btw, you could still try some supplements if they worked for you before. I guess it can't hurt, right?

Good luck!

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so are the dai li out of your home town yet? i hope so, or at least that they are helping more than hurting now. love their stone gloves!

anyway, thanks. i'll look into that. i don't think i've heard of deild yet so i'll read up on it.

two things: supplements freak me out. is galantamine safe? for sure? as far as i can tell it's the one with the highest success rate and the least likely to be at all placebo. i've read poorly worded statements that warn against it and mild cognitive impairment. it's hard to tell why. do you know? what does it do? make mild cognitive impairment worse? i read one fda warning that was worded so strangely it sounded like it may CAUSE mild cognitive impairment! i was like JEBUS CRUST!!! horrifying! but i don't think that's even a possibility. nonetheless, i'm hesitant. know about it?

**Dareloth** · 11-27-2012 09:05 PM

and the second thing (i forgot for a minute) is that in my experience self created, non supplement dependent lucid dreams are much better, and, if you for some reason can't afford your supplements or whatever you can still do it whereas if you were dependent you would be screwed.

**paigeyemps** · 11-28-2012 08:38 AM

Nope, I do not know much about supplements.

I personally haven't taken any for lucid dreaming. The only things I take are apple juice and bananas and that week where I experimented with mint via mint candies. x)

And I agree. I'd prefer to induce the lucids without any supplemental aids. I understand it has helped many people, but personally I don't think I need it that much (for now).

**paigeyemps** · 11-28-2012 08:38 AM

Oh and yep, the dai li have become much nicer now.

**PlanesWalker** · 11-28-2012 09:24 AM

I have a suggestion along the lines of supplementation. There is a Choline/Galantamine combo that's apparently quite effective at helping to have WILDs if used properly.

**Dareloth** · 11-28-2012 11:17 PM

where is the safest place to buy them? is dreamamins.com safe?

**dutchraptor** · 11-28-2012 11:24 PM

Yes alot of people seem to buy from that site, and btw neither choline nor galamantine is dangerous. Both are relatively untoxic and require huge amounts to kill a human, so it's extremely unlikely you could ever over dose. They are fun to try out and they are definetely worth a shot.