How do I become a LD pro?

[MyCooky]

I'm a beginner at LDing - how do I become a pro? How do I get from a LD every month to a LD every day? Which one is the best technique, how long will it take? How do I find out which technique I should try? I believe these are my most important questions for now. Maybe it would be good to have a "universal guide" for this?

[Zyangur]

1. There is no certain path to become a pro. It's different for everyone else, and you must find your own way. That is the joy of Lucid Dreaming . There are some things that everyone must do, such as staying confident. 2. Like above, there is no certain way. You have to figure out what works best for you. 3. Again, you have to figure out what will work for you. 4. DILD is a good start for beginners. Once you start getting into the routine of keeping a DJ, Reality Checks, etc, you'll start having DILDs. The good thing is that once you start having DILDs and you want to try another method, such as WILD, you'll still keep having DILDs because they can occur in any dream. Again, you have to find what works for you. Start with one method, work for a month or two and focus on it, and then if you like it you can stick with it, or you can switch to another method if it just doesn't work for you. The problem with having a 'universal guide' for this is exactly what I said above. Each person is different. There is not one specific thing that will bring lucid dreams to every single person that tries it. What usually happens, is that people read tutorials, etc, and then after trying them for a while, they start to make their own changes to it in order to fit them better. Work hard, be confident, and remember to have fun in your dreaming journey!

[MasterMind]

Becoming good at lucid dreaming isn't different compared to becoming pro at something else. Let's take soccer or baseball for example, how long does it take to become a pro? How do you get from one soccer goal/ one homerun every month to a soccer goal/ one homerun every game? Which is the best technique, how do I find out which technique I should try? etc. Becoming a natural at anything may that be picking up girls/ boys, become funny, get smarter, get better at doing backflips, it all comes down to: Dedication and understanding. You can be the worst soccer player in the world and just start play alot and learn on your own and after some time you will get naturally better, it's the same for lucid dreaming, all you need is sleep! Yeah you read that correct, ALL you need in order to dream is to sleep! Then understanding certain things like for example (a possible theory to why lucidity occurs) and how you can use that to your advantage can of course help you out, just like a video tutorial of how David Beckham does a freekick can help you learn to kick better. But in the end it all comes down to learn by doing. So what I would recommend to help you progress in your lucidity practise is to balance your dedication with your understanding. If you have no experience what so ever, there is no point to get super motivated and expect the most awesome adventure of your life, just like it would be contra productive to wish for a hat trick in a soccer game in your first match. Because what you need in order to become natural is EXPERIENCE. So start out by learning by doing the basics and then when you got your experience and understanding you will know exactly what YOU need to do in order to get lucid. So remember that every error, ever failed night is not an oppurtunity to get sad or frustrated, but more enlighted and motivated. In other words the best way to become a natural is to gain experience (with whatever method you want), and to learn by your misstakes, not get dragged down by them. And of course learn by your successes as well. Listen to other people words as well of course, but never see it as factual information, only useful inspiration. The only way to truly understand and know something is to gain that understanding and knowledge yourself. I tried to make it as much universal possible. Good luck... But you don't need luck, you need experience! Just look at Batman (lol) - "Why do we fall Bruce?" "So we can learn to pick ourselves up." <- That's right!

[MyCooky]

@both of you: First of all thanks for your replies and dedication I have still some questions (Some Information on my LDing: I keep a DJ and i practice this: http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...kingyoshi.html as well as using mantras, which usually work pretty good for me, and I try to DEILD after my dreams, which has already worked out once. I've had only 1 LD (deild) the last 3 weeks where I started again to achieve Lucidity in my dreams.) 1: How did you get to the point where you were a pro/ how do you try to be one? 2: How long did it take you to become a pro? (You said I needed experience, so how much time did you need?) 3: How can I stay confident enough to not stop to try? Is LDing a trial-and-error process? 4: To become good soccer player it takes half a lifetime... is achieving LDs that slow? Also personal tipps are appreciated.

[Seykloren]

1: How did you get to the point where you were a pro/ how do you try to be one? 2: How long did it take you to become a pro? (You said I needed experience, so how much time did you need?) 3: How can I stay confident enough to not stop to try? Is LDing a trial-and-error process? 4: To become good soccer player it takes half a lifetime... is achieving LDs that slow? Also personal tipps are appreciated. Seeing you allready got some pritty good advices in the first 2 posts, gonna skip those and answer you these from my own expirience. 1.I LD since I was a child, so the way I look at the whole pro thing is that you become a pro when you reach your goals with Lucid Dreaming. I wouldn't say there is a general list or set of rules that qualify you as one, that it is actually about things you strive to accomplish with Lucid Dreaming and being satisfied with your progress and achievement. 2.This again depends from what you define and consider to be pro. LDing every day or something similar? In any case, I have been doing it for years and there is still and always will be , in my opinion, something new I can learn and achieve. 3. Have faith in yourself, always keep trying, take note of even the smallest progress and use the notion of it to help you stay on your path. It is a trial and error process, it is about finding the right tehnique that suits you best, trying other tehniques, times, practices and most of all TO KEEP TRYING 4. It varries from person to person, like people allready wrote to you, it may take you months or years, but if you really want to achieve it is very important that you do not give up. As for a personal tip, LDing is something beautifful,it will make you feel incredible, you will discover a whole new world and it is defenatly worth trying to achieve if you are allready interested in it. Do not be afraid to try out various tehniques, you do not have to stick to just 1 and keep pushing on it, like I allready wrote everything varries from person to person and something that yielded results in a day for someone will not necesseraly do the same for you. Best of luck to you and I hope my post helps you in some way!

[MasterMind]

1: How did you get to the point where you were a pro/ how do you try to be one? I have practised for 4 to 5 years now, perhaps 2 of those years were serrious practise and dedication. I don't consider myself a pro, that's a kind of a weird title to have because what's the definition of being a lucid dreaming pro? I would like to say though that I have enough experience with dream recall, and lucidity inductions to say that I am naturally good at it, which means that I have learned how to make it happen and why it happens, by experience. 2: How long did it take you to become a pro? (You said I needed experience, so how much time did you need?) If you are dedicated and experience lots of things and most important of all you try to understand what you did differently and why it worked, it can go really quick. When I first tried to learn how to remember my dreams easily, I was lucky because I just took a chance and tried something new rather than trying the standards recall routine, and it did wonders! -> http://www.dreamviews.com/dream-sign...reams-try.html When I then started to try to find the best lucidity induction, it was a bumpy road and I had to try many different things. And ironically enough I ended up finding that the best way for me to get lucid, is closer to learn to do nothing rather than learn to do something. Because for me it's all about clearing and relaxing my mind and just go to sleep. So right now I get a few lucidity moments every now then in the night, but I am not really as fluid when it comes to focusing my mind while it happens. I usually just end up acting on instinct, that is to start to fly, have sex, or get distracted by the dream situation itself, so I am easily lucid, but not easily fully aware. So I can't say an exact time of how to become a pro, I can say though that being active on Dreamviews, sharing and reading experiences helps a ton to increase the speed of that process. 3: How can I stay confident enough to not stop to try? Is LDing a trial-and-error process? Everything is a trial and error process, even when you first learn to walk you first need to fall, why? Because you need to find balance. You stay motivated by not reaching for the highest goal, and begin by succeeding and naturally learn what's in your reach. You don't start out soccer by just trying to make a score, you start out by perfecting your kicks and perhaps your passes that will lead to the goal. So you stay confident and motivated by paying attention to your small successes that eventually lead to the big ones. So appreciate the practise as a whole. Lucidity used to be a big success for me 2 years ago, now it's a small success and my big success now is perfect stabilisation and a calm mind within the dream. 2 years ago 2-3 remembered dreams each night used to be challenging, now it's common morning. 4: To become good soccer player it takes half a lifetime... is achieving LDs that slow? A good soccer player like Messi or Ronaldo would probably translated to lucid dreaming progress be equal to a person who can induce a lucid dream whenever he wants AND make it remain perfectly stable and in perfect control for a long period of time each night. I have not reached this level and to be honest, right now I am not really actively focusing on that either. I currently focus on working out and my university, so for now just getting lucid every now and then is just fine. But you shouldn't focus on the high goals, that will only make you appreciate your already achieved goals less, and that will in turn slow down your process. I can say though that it probably takes a couple of years to become naturally good at this, don't expect it to happen in a week. If you workout and expect to see incredible result after just a few weeks it will only get you discouraged and perhaps even make you stop. It's the same for lucid dreaming, which is also the reason to why I don't want to say an exact time or whatever because you shouldn't focus on the time, only on what you have learned and continue that learning and this will in turn speed up everything else while you are inspired and having fun.

[Sageous]

First, for what it's worth I'd rather use words like "expert" or "master" than "pro," simply because "pro" denotes payment, and very few if any LD'ers get paid directly for their dreams. Aside from that: 1: How did you get to the point where you were a pro/ how do you try to be one? Three words are all you need: practice, practice, practice. You can't try to become an expert at LD'ing, you simply achieve it after a great deal of experience and personal growth. Ironically, after you become an expert, you likely won't really care very much about your achievement, as your new state of mind (and commensurate ability) eclipse such mundane ambition. 2: How long did it take you to become a pro? (You said I needed experience, so how much time did you need?) I've been at this for well over 30 years and still feel I have a long way to go toward true mastery of this elusive art. It can take a very long time, because LD'ing is about perfecting your own self-awareness and memory (aka the fundamentals), which is not easy and by nature takes a long time. P.S: techniques do not shorten this time, period. 3: How can I stay confident enough to not stop to try? If you are properly minding your fundamentals, you will find that confidence is really not a problem. Conditions like laziness, complacency, arrogance, or self-delusion might eventually lead you to giving up, but, if you're doing the work, not confidence. Is LDing a trial-and-error process? Yes, it is. With lots and lots and lots of error. Be prepared for that, and be patient... if you really desire success, it will come! 4: To become good soccer player it takes half a lifetime... is achieving LDs that slow? Given that it is likely much easier to become a pro soccer player than a true master of LD'ing, then spending half a lifetime or more developing yourself does not seem that long a time. Oh, and if anyone tells you that you can master LD'ing quickly simply by learning some technique, they are either lying, confused about what mastering LD'ing really is, or else are some sort of prodigy that thinks what was easy for them should be easy for anyone -- try to ignore them and work at your own pace.

[MyCooky]

@Seykloren: I agree with you on the pro thing.. mayb it was the wrong way to call it. For me being a pro would mean being able to lucid dream every night I really wanted to. I think the best advice for me is that I should recognize my successes and not look for the distant goals. That'll surely keep me motivated.. Think positive would be a good guideline. Anyway, thank you very much for all of your help.

[Sensei]

Good replies. mastermind your post was very inspirational. I agree that pro isn't the right word because of the mere definition of pro leaves us to think that the only pro is Stephen Laberge, because he gets paid for it. I am now adding understanding to my list mastermind. Solomon says that knowledge without wisdom is vain, and wisdom will lead to understanding. I have long applied this in areas such as school, sports, and LDing. It is part of my own tutorial for learning anything. One thing I part way agree with is the goals. I feel like long term goals are useful. But you need to have short term goals as well. The long term goals are things that would be impossible now, but after finishing 5 or so short term goals, it might be something that comes a little easier. You said any personal tips, and mine would be to read about dreaming. How to have more dreams, look at dream symbols (I do not believe in most of those, but it is fun!). Learn how to enjoy all your dreams. Don't forget how much fun it is to be fighting in counter strike trying to save a princess and thinking that if you die, you will actually die. I love dreams so much. This makes it a lot easier to stay motivated. edit Hey! I wanted to add a few things. I am not extremely good like mm and sageous, they both have years of experience on me. I have only been LDing for a little over a year. I think that the "best technique" is the one that you think sounds the most fun, or that makes the most sense to your sleeping habits or experience. Don't forget to continue learning about LDing, and if that technique doesn't really work amazingly for you (for a month or two) then go on to another technique. Check out Exploring the World of Lucid Dreams and Are You Dreaming? learn from them, there are tons of other great books, but these will give you a great base knowledge.

[Sageous]

I agree that pro isn't the right word because of the mere definition of pro leaves us to think that the only pro is Stephen Laberge, because he gets paid for it. For what it's worth, even LaBerge couldn't really be called a pro, because he gets paid for studying and promoting LD'ing, not directly doing it...

[Sensei]

For what it's worth, even LaBerge couldn't really be called a pro, because he gets paid for studying and promoting LD'ing, not directly doing it... Good point.

[lucidreamsavy]

I tired to read most of the, so j hope I won't be repeating. For me, just thinking about dreaming and ld'ing helps me! Like being o. This site, thinking about it. When I was on here, I had at least one a week. I came back today after two years, a d I still had ld's, but many of them were only partial awareness. So doing that and a dj, or telling a friend who likes dreams about so e of your dreams can help. Of course, this is after you've had a few ld's. just thought I'd put in my two cents.

[MyCooky]

Thats what I'm also trying to do right now, stay active on the forums, hoping it will help me out. Sadly I didn't have a LD the last 3 weeks.

[lucidreamsavy]

One you get x amount, you won't have trouble getting more. Yeah... If that even comforts you XD. Oh! Ad sleeping late is when I get most of my dreams, since I'm bad at napping. Waking up and falling back to sleep. It's nearly eleven here, and I had two this morning. I am not bragging, just an extra tip..