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      Can the Blind Manifest Visuals in their Lucid Dreams?

      Alright, so, we all know that dreams reflect on stuff you experience in everyday life. And, we've seen people answer people who ask what blind people see in their dreams by saying that they have auditory dreams or dreams with touch or smell. But say that a blind person became lucid. Could he or she create a visual? This is assuming that the person had been able to see at some point in their life, but had become blind at an age to where they can remember what sight feels like.
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      Hmmm, that's really interesting!
      I would guess that even if the blind dreamer had never been sighted, that perhaps in their dreams they may actually have a crude visualization experience, like flashes of light and/or color or cloud formations and such.

      My thoughts are whether they would hear only their dream sounds or if outside noises would interfere with their sleep? I could hear my radio alarm in the morning and I would start dreaming about whatever song was playing!

      ... I wouldn't want to be blind. I'm an artist and I can't think of anything scarier than losing my sight... or losing my hands that I make my art with...
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      Ofcourse it is possible, if one chooses to get their sight back in dreams, they will, everything is possible in dreams!
      At the same time experiencing lack of sight is also possible, in fact i once had lucid dream with complete darkness for time being and only sensations of touch and sound.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MorganFreeman View Post
      Alright, so, we all know that dreams reflect on stuff you experience in everyday life. And, we've seen people answer people who ask what blind people see in their dreams by saying that they have auditory dreams or dreams with touch or smell. But say that a blind person became lucid. Could he or she create a visual? This is assuming that the person had been able to see at some point in their life, but had become blind at an age to where they can remember what sight feels like.
      Absolutely they can manifest visuals. Even a person who has been blind since birth could manifest visuals in a lucid dream. It would probably be much more difficult because they have never been able to see before, but definitely possible.

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      I am thinking that it depends on whether what causes their blindness is due to a problem with their eyes or with the part of the brain that processes visuals. My guess would be that if they are blind because of their eyes but the image processing part of the brain is intact then visuals would be possible, but if the requisite part of the brain has an issue it is less likely. Just a hypothesis mind you - I may be completely wrong. Now I would expect that if someone had been blind from birth, they may dream that they are seeing something, but if a sighted person were to somehow be able to tap into the blind person's dream, they would probably see that things look different somehow. I would expect shapes of 3D objects to be realistically rendered, because of the touch allowing a bling person to "see" the form of objects, and then that could be translated by the brain into visuals realistically I think. However, I would be surprised if colors were rendered realistically for someone who was blind from birth - but I may be wrong. I once had a friend who had been blind from birth, and interestingly for her the concept of color was crucial. She would enquire whenever she got a new clothing item, exactly which of her clothes it matched in color etc. she was one of the best dressed young women I knew, and always perfectly color coordinated. So for her I would expect in her dreams if she dreamed with visuals (I don't know, didn't think to ask), I would expect her to render colors consistently. However, I would be surprised if the colors were consistent with what a sighted person would call "blue" or "red", I would think. Of course, I do not know if what I see as red is what you see as red as well, but if a person never had been able to see from birth was then able to see, I would expect some adjustment for their idea of what red looks like if they had a prior idea. Does anyone know if this has ever happened actually?
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      Quote Originally Posted by JoannaB View Post
      However, I would be surprised if the colors were consistent with what a sighted person would call "blue" or "red", I would think. Of course, I do not know if what I see as red is what you see as red as well, but if a person never had been able to see from birth was then able to see, I would expect some adjustment for their idea of what red looks like if they had a prior idea. Does anyone know if this has ever happened actually?
      Here is a quick lesson in color theory for you!

      Color is perhaps the most relative piece of any art form anywhere. What that means is that colors are never quite consistent with what we think. Since technically what we see as color is really part of a light wave spectrum reflected off an object and bounced into our eyes. So color is created by and modified by light.

      Think of it like this: Take a red apple outside at noon on a clear day and notice the reddish hue of it's outer skin. Now take that same red apple and view it inside a room under a yellow lamplight. It's not the same red, but it is the same apple. Now take that same apple into a dark room where you can just barely see the apple; it will look black! But it's still that same red apple, right?


      I'm not sure how a blind person might interpret color though. For a blind person never seeing light or color it might be more like an emotional response. Colors also inflict an emotional response, like feeling blue or seeing red. But that's just my own thoughts.
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      Not sure if it helps or if it comes here.
      I'm a little colourblind, I mess up with some similar colours, yet in my dream I usually see colours differently, probably in the way as it's normal.
      I know, being colour blind is totattly different from being blind, but probably blind people see them normally as well?

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      Color really exists only in the brain. It is true that we see blue because of stimulation by a wave of light, but the preception of blue is entirley inside us. In a dream no light wave is needed.
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      Quote Originally Posted by sivason View Post
      Color really exists only in the brain.
      [zen mode] Not only colours but all what you can see and perceive [/zen mode]

      lol

      however, i think that should be really difficult especially for who has blind since birth, but not impossibile at all.
      A blind person can't imagine visual things only because he's not used to see those, but actually he has the 'potential' to do that
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