Thread: Is lucid dreaming satanic?

Nailer--
"Matrix" by way of analogy. What does that mean in the context of this thread about Satan in lucid dreaming? You need to clarify what analogy and how it relates to the film of that name.

Yes, maybe Asian is a better term but then no it isn't. Asian covers a much larger territory than "Oriental" and the references I have used, articles I read used that term without apology to mean people in, generally SE Asia, so your point is interesting but aside from the point.

I use it, too, without apology.

Hummer

Originally Posted by Hummer

clarify what analogy and how it relates to the film of that name.

In THE MATRIX, the population believes they are directly experiencing the real world, when in fact, they're not. Rather, they're experiencing a construct in their brains. The same is true of people in everyday life, and thus the analogy.

Nailer--
You've responded faster than I can think. I'll get back to you.

Thanks

Hummer

Originally Posted by Hummer

Nailer--
You've responded faster than I can think. I'll get back to you.

Thanks

Hummer

Are you familiar with Sleep Paralysis?
Check out:
Why NOT to be Scared of Sleep Paralysis

Also See:
http://thoughtcatalog.com/christine-...ralysis-demon/

Nailer--
I think there is sp and sp. I am of the opinion you can run into what I might describe as Athena's shield with the head of Medusa on it in sleep, that causes not only sp but "turned to stone," so to speak. This condition is used to protect certain areas of sleep, dreaming, etc. To frighten you out, to signal "NO TRESPASSING!"

I am familiar with the states described in the video including various kinds of terrifically convincing movement. They are movement of a sort. Can be enjoyed.

I don't think any of this has much to do with "thinking positive thoughts," which, frankly, sounds a little too much like Peter Pan. That's how you "fly."

Thanks.

Hummer

Nailer--
I though I responded to this, but maybe didn't. Who or what is responsible for this "construct?" Is it used, as in the film, as a malevolent control device? How is it "the population" comes to have this construct in their brains? What do you see...though this construct, presuming you do see through it as a reality shell or screen?

Hummer

I like your theories, Hummer. Whether or not they are where we should be focusing our energies, I don't know, but it's very interesting.

What happened after your encounter? Have you had any SP episodes since then?

MoonageDaydream--
Thank you for the reply. What happened after the encounter is I had to deal with an institution that says "love" out of its conscious mouth while having a secret covenant with the Dark Side at the same time in order to force those deviant souls still "in the dark" into the fold.

This has entailed an enormous amount of energy as you might imagine and an extravagant amount of conscious or lucid dream work to deal with. Some of which went to helping to raise the Catholic sex abuse scandal to the surface though that is but the first layer of the sexual abuse of the Garden the Church commits.

Such work has taken nearly all of my time and energy since.

Thanks.

Hummer

Well - I still hope, Sensei will chime in here and deliver his promised preaching.
Pertaining to the general question and my first response post to him - not about the whole thread of course!
Even more interesting would still be, to show this thread to his bible-circle buddies and to his teachers, from whom he gets his formal education to become a preacher of a biblical literalist Christianity subgroup of - yeah - how is your church called, Sensei?
That would be easy to provide us with! Not to contact them, of course - just to read up on it.

Originally Posted by Hummer

I do believe there was a "flood," which created the unconscious as a place where "God," do you see that is in quotes? could create black sites in order to do just about what ever "He" wanted to do.
Including the use of dreamers as slaves as per Joseph in the book of Genesis. "Energy pods."

Lucid dreaming that cuts away that past is, for me, an escape up from snuffed.
In my opinion it doesn't work.

Hummer

I will rephrase that in order to see, if I get it:

The flood was an event, which played out inside of the human mind.
There is a malignant being, usually referred to as the Christian God, who caused the event, in order to split "the unconscious" away from the formerly completely conscious human mind. (good you got terminology right, btw., and don't say "subconsciousness" a la Freud).

And so he can then set up hidden mechanisms in our unconscious, which lead us to follow his every whim and command.
What you now propose is that lucid dreamers should go into their unconscious to fight off god and his black pages down there.
All else would just be ignorant "steak-LDing".

Did I basically understand, what you meant? Where have you got that from - your own idea?

Then comes a reference to Joseph.
Since you said, you studied Genesis intensely, it shouldn't be hard - please give me the exact location, so I can look it up.

Originally Posted by Hummer

Not that this is relevant to all these NOs! here but there are a whole lot of ways in which Satan, Lucifer, can be seen as the hero or "whistle blower" on a system in which the CEO of the Heavenly Company has a secret covenant with the Dark Side.

I am much more of that opinion, which, in the probably limited range of this discussion, is not particularly relevant. But, it, this topic, brings up a whole lot of energy.

So for you Satan is the good one in the game.

Should we then not maybe embrace possession, in order to have the helpful ex-angel Lucifer on our side?
He could assist us in finding and erasing God's evil schemes from our minds! Why don't your recommend Satanism to us explicitly?

Originally Posted by Hummer

I think there is sp and sp. I am of the opinion you can run into what I might describe as Athena's shield with the head of Medusa on it in sleep, that causes not only sp but "turned to stone," so to speak. This condition is used to protect certain areas of sleep, dreaming, etc. To frighten you out, to signal "NO TRESPASSING!"

Sleep paralysis (SP) is indeed a security measure pertaining to sleep and dreams.
It is there, so that you don't act out your dreams and thrash about in bed - or worse - fall out of a tree and get eaten.

If a religious person with certain pre-formed schemata of devils and daemons experiences what is called SP together with the typical tendency to hallucinate at the transition between waking and sleep - she will hallucinate, what she expects to be a paranormal terror in her belief system. Easiest way to come to a personal experience of that sort.
This is illusionary, though - see spoiler.

So there must actually be people, who get scared away from lucid dreaming (LDing) because of personal experiences with SP and these hallucinations, which seem to indicate, that it really is something Satanic, or at least highly supernaturally dangerous for life and soul and whatnot.

I got scared away for 10 years in my youth, after having gotten lucid by following the sorcery-fairy-tales of Castaneda, and thinking, I really enter other realms full of supernatural dangers. Somewhere only an advanced witch should visit.
Shame - I had to become an agnostic atheist to finally start over again.
One reason, why I am up against superstitions around LDing.

Spoiler for bit more on REM Atonia=Sleep Paralysis, Hallucinations:

Sleep paralysis (SP) is the same as REM-Atonia (linked through).
It is a paralysis of the muscles from neck down, while you are in the REM-phase of sleep, the phase, where you usually dream.
Usually you are not consciously aware of that - if you are - you are prone to hallucinations.

REM = rapid eye movement - when the eyes move rapidly - that corresponds to eye-movements in the dream.
They are not paralysed - moving them is not dangerous, after all.

If you read around a bit on the forum, you will find, that it is common to experience hallucinations in the transition from waking to sleep in both directions. It is known, that hallucinations tend to follow your emotional mind-set - if you are frightened - they will be horrible.
If you are not - they can appear for example as a beautiful mandala hanging in mid-air (had that - very nice).

From your thread: http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...-syndrome.html

Originally Posted by Steph, who has too much time, from next door

...Classically with something jumping on the chest - doesn't have to be.
Old Hag is a traditional Russian myth connected to the phenomenon - Christians used/use to call it Incubus, Germans often call it "Alp"...

Really many, many people experience SP at least once in their lives - seems LDing activities can lead to it - like forcefully waking yourself up, that's when I had SP.

Look:
Sleep paralysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What Makes Sleep Paralysis Scary | Sleep Disorders | LiveScience

Different cultures have different superstitions around it - but it's a neurological, a medical phenomenon.
The more you are afraid - the more likely to hallucinate something nasty - and vice versa.

Here is how DV tries to get it out of people's minds that they need SP in order to LD, which they don't:
http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...mystified.html


A historical impression - these days alien abductions are all the rage, I read:

Spoiler for Explaining the movie Matrix to Hummer:

Originally Posted by Hummer

I do see the Matrix bandied about a whole lot here and yet I see scant attention paid to the actual script or plot of the film and almost none to the fact the Neo's "out of Matrix" life is really tough, not wonderful "lucid dreaming."

This is because he left the pod and cables, which enabled the shared simulation of the Matrix to get into his brain.
Outside he is an awake normal human in an apocalyptic world

Originally Posted by Hummer

Nailer--
I though I responded to this, but maybe didn't. Who or what is responsible for this "construct?" Is it used, as in the film, as a malevolent control device? How is it "the population" comes to have this construct in their brains? What do you see...though this construct, presuming you do see through it as a reality shell or screen?

Hummer

I recommend re-watching the movie.
Responsible for that construct are intelligent machines gone bad.
They use cables to insert the false experiences, the dream, the whole supposed reality, into the brains of humans.
That because they can only milk humans' energy, if these humans survive and are subjectively happy.
Hence the simulation.
It is plain science fiction with the motive AI (Artificial Intelligence) versus humanity - there is not one moment, where something supernatural is implied at all.
All the magical feats being performed are taking place only within the simulation, which Neo and his buddies learn to directly manipulate with their minds, while it is being fed into their minds by the machines.

NO real life magic.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Morpheus explains that in the 21st century, humans waged a war against intelligent machines they had created. When humans blocked the machines' access to solar energy, the machines instead turned to harvesting the humans' bioelectricity as a substitute power source, while keeping them trapped in "the Matrix", a shared simulation of the world as it was in 1999, in which Neo has been living since birth. Morpheus and his crew belong to a group of rebels who hack into the Matrix and "unplug" enslaved humans, recruiting them as rebels.