SUNDS -- Sudden Unexpected Nocturnal death Syndrome

**Hummer** · 04-06-2014 05:07 PM

SUNDS -- Sudden Unexpected Nocturnal Death Syndrome

SUNDS was first noticed among young Hmong men, refugees from Cambodia, the Viet Nam War, back in the late 1970s. Young Hmong men were dying suddenly in their sleep for no apparent reason. Heart failure was determined to be the literal cause.

It was discovered SUNDS is common in various Oriental cultures where it has killed hundreds. In those cultures the sudden deaths are believed to be a form of vengeance wreaked upon the young men for varieties of religious disobedience, failure to perform religious rituals correctly.

The following is a description by the author of the accompanying article on SUNDS from The Atlantic. I feel it is a very evocative description and wanted to share it. I would imagine many of us have suffered similar episodes. SUNDS is called a visit by The Old Hag in some New World circles.

“I experienced sleep paralysis twice in college. I can vouch for the sheer terror that attends the experience. I saw -- no, felt -- an evil presence to my left. I can't tell you what was evil about it or how I knew it was so nasty. But I did. As the experience progressed, it came closer. It didn't feel like my life was at risk. That was, in fact, too small. It felt like the presence was after something else, probably what you'd call my soul or my being, even though intellectually I'm a straight materialist. I woke up more scared than I've ever been in my life. Overwhelming fear. Overwhelming dread. Overwhelming fear and dread. When I read about sleep paralysis, I immediately identified that presence (which remained just to the left of my visual field) as the Old Hag.”

On Saturday, April 2, 2014, I had the following regular dream -- not lucid.

As I am making an early dinner a substantial flatbed truck drives in across the lawn to the west and stops beside the lilac bushes. (Now covered in snow.) There are three Hmong men sitting across the front seat.
The back of the truck is carrying a pile of maybe 50 - 100 posts, treated 4” X 4” posts (posts), the sort you might use for steps, or less literally the sort posted to a web site. One of the three guys says, communicating to me...telepathically, in a dream fashion, that the delivery of posts is for “born leaders.”

I did not know what to make of this dream until I had a second about Hmong people and connected the two of them to SUNDS, a condition of which I was aware, then I knew what to do with the theme.

Maybe 20 years ago I had the following SUNDS, nocturnal paralysis episode followed by extraordinary lucid action.

I was lying in bed just before sleep when a werewolf came through the east wall of the bedroom. The “werewolf” looked like no werewolf I had ever seen visualized, rather like a miniature thunderstorm full of crackling lightning created by a painter like Francis Bacon or Dr. Frankenstein.

The werewolf headed straight for the bed and up on top of it and me where I lay paralyzed with dread. I managed, after an enormous struggle, to wake and when I did the werewolf slid down off the bed and out through the wall. I was so angry at this assault by nightmare I followed the werewolf determined to discover where it came from. I followed it, fully lucid, out across the marsh to the east, up the road 8 miles toward town, through a small grove of aspen, out across four lane highway 53 right to the back of the local _____ Church where it obediently scrambled into a large cage beside the basement entrance to said church.

I killed it there without mercy or pity.

My point is, in considerable disagreement with the diagnosis in the following article, I believe this “werewolf” was real, a variation on the famous Id monster Dr. Morbius dreams up in Forbidden Planet. After this and other episodes I have every reason to believe “the church” has a Dark Side “instrumentality” it can use to terrify nonbelievers or simply the strayed faithful back into the fold. Yes, even to kill.

This is a place, in my estimation, where lucid dreaming can and should be used. Where it can change the world.

Hope this link functions.

www.theatlantic.com/health/.../the.../245065/‎

**acillis** · 04-10-2014 02:48 AM

i once had a really bad sp episode, and thought to my self if i was a old man and grey, that expeience would have killed me

**Hilary** · 04-12-2014 07:47 PM

I find this fascinating. Thank you for posting it (although the link doesn't work for me).

A few things I find curious - why the "Old Hag"? I know most people will want to put that down as coincidence, or perhaps subconscious preconditioning.. and maybe it is - but it would be interesting to delve into it from other angles.

Secondly, I wonder how SUNDS relates to night terrors - something I've battled most of my young and adult life. We're not supposed to remember night terrors, but I do have "glimpses" of memories. And of course, recollections from my husband witnessing them. They are always of the same things. Spiders, snakes, "evil presence", etc. They are transparent. Weird thing is, I am not terribly afraid of spiders or snakes IRL. So why are they the same hallucinations, generally, for everyone with NT (not that there aren't exceptions)? I wonder if having these can also lead to SUNDS - like SP possibly can - especially if one's heart is not in optimal condition.

I am really curious about these disorders from a spiritual standpoint. Or perhaps a higher consciousness standpoint (thinking matrix). Or any unusual standpoint.

I've never experienced sleep paralysis, but I am very curious about it. I would love to hear some stories of what it's like for you guys.

**StephL** · 04-12-2014 09:19 PM

Oh my - that is plain old sleep paralysis with hypnagogic hallucinations.
Classically with something jumping on the chest - doesn't have to be.
Old Hag is a traditional Russian myth connected to the phenomenon - Christians used/use to call it Incubus, Germans often call it "Alp"...

Really many, many people experience SP at least once in their lives - seems LDing activities can lead to it - like forcefully waking yourself up, that's when I had SP.
It's REM atonia - your muscles get paralysed neck down, to prevent you from acting out your dreams and thrashing about in bed.
Really age old news.
Once you get conscious, while this is still there - it can scare you to the utmost, at least if you don't happen to know, what it is.
Most of us on here do know - and fortunately.

Look:
Sleep paralysis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
What Makes Sleep Paralysis Scary | Sleep Disorders | LiveScience

Different cultures have different superstitions around it - but it's a neurological, a medical phenomenon.
The more you are afraid - the more likely to hallucinate something nasty - and vice versa.

Here is how DV tries to get it out of people's minds that they need SP in order to LD, which they don't:
http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...mystified.html

A historical impression - these days alien abductions are all the rage, I read:

**Hummer** · 04-13-2014 02:26 AM

Moonagedaydream--
Thanks for the reply. Sorry the link does not work. A pretty good article.

I cannot say much more than what I have included in the article. I think lucidity, or conscious dreaming does help deal with night terrors.

I am of the opinion they are not simply physiological, rather like the "monsters" the adults dress up as in Shyamalan's The Village to frighten the kids into the fold.

I have suffered night paralysis a numbers of times and have gotten better at combatting it. The source of it can be seen, pursued and dealt with is my feeling.

Here's another attempt at the link.

http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...245065/‎
The Atlantic

Hummer

**Hummer** · 04-13-2014 02:32 AM

StephL
Sorry, don't buy it. The "scientific" explanation for the phenomenon is the "flight up" away from there being any sort of reality down there like...the desert of the real.

Don't buy it for a minute. Sure, you can make this deal for the "lucid steak," and really, what is with all the...abbreviations, to let us know who is "in" and who is "out?"

It is tedious, cultish, and condescending.

Hummer

**StephL** · 04-13-2014 02:16 PM

Glossary of abbreviations, I used:

LD = lucid dream - thought we all use that
SP = sleep paralysis - I explained that in the post itself
DV = DreamViews - sorry I forgot to spell that out, thought, it was obvious

Not an abbreviation - REM Atonia - that is linked through automatically - and I stated above that it means the same as SP

How come it is tedious, cultish and condescending to use those?

**Hummer** · 04-13-2014 05:22 PM

StepL--
It's not, it's a convenience for those in the know. But it assumes certain knowledge on the part of your correspondent he or she may not have, know.

Thanks for the definitions. In the future I shall be one of the...semi-initiate!

I like your sculpture pic, by the way, where's that from, who by? Ah, I see the link down at the bottom! I shall take a look some time.

Hummer

**Hummer** · 04-13-2014 05:25 PM

acillis
I did not respond to your post because i did not know what "sp" meant, now do. Do you recall any further details of the incident, any visual information?

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