Thread: Bullshit

I'm so not geting a ninja post again!

Originally Posted by Mesmerate

Ironically you don't backup your claim of changing your perception of time a well known phenomenon. Also as for you not treating them as special objects, you clearly said that "if they are an emulation why is it they sometimes do something the dreamer doesn't like?"
Obviously you wouldn't ask this question if it were say a rubber ball.

See why you need to get some sources? It looks bad, in fact you even said it was ironic. Here baby steps: Time perception - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dude you quoted wrong there... let me help you.

So why exactly is something being based upon not an emulation? There are DCs that act differently from how one would want/make them to be and yet that is nothing supernatural or strange at all.

See? The emulation part was about why exactly it being based upon your thoughts makes it NOT an emulation. Different topic.
Then I said that when DCs act weird ways, it is nothing supernatural or strange at all.

Also the same question applies to a rubber ball... in dreams it doesn't matters whether an object is in the form of a human or a water drop, it is still a dream object and will be weird as hell since it isn't even real.

Originally Posted by Hukif

I'm so not geting a ninja post again!



See why you need to get some sources? It looks bad, in fact you even said it was ironic. Here baby steps:

Dude you quoted wrong there... let me help you.



See? The emulation part was about why exactly it being based upon your thoughts makes it NOT an emulation. Different topic.
Then I said that when DCs act weird ways, it is nothing supernatural or strange at all.

Also the same question applies to a rubber ball... in dreams it doesn't matters whether an object is in the form of a human or a water drop, it is still a dream object and will be weird as hell since it isn't even real.

I quickly read through your post and read it like that. also reading in the wikipedia article it mentions chronostasis, But really a dream is just imagination and events still happen at the same rate. it is simply your point of veiw.

If just for one second I thought OP is interested in meaningful debate, I would have said different things to you.

But your intro post says it all http://www.dreamviews.com/introducti...ml#post2123734

Originally Posted by Mesmerate

Hello everyone, i have come to this forum to try to clear come supernatural bullshit up. Should you be offended, please kindly unrustle your jimmies and learn how to take an insult.

Yes, it seems you are running out of ways to avoid my arguement. obviously i cant have a meaningful debate because i mentioned jimmies.

theres a button called quote sir. use it wisely
my honest advice to you is to get used to the: forum functions, terminology, lore and studies on those aspects of dreaming you have mentioned. its always helpful to know. There are very very good informed opinions on this forum
Now let me tell you a cute story about my brother. I was in the kitchen, reading this book on Dreaming Yoga practices, as my brother, which I just so happen to consider a closed person, walked in , and asked me what I was doing. I was a bit shocked, since he never really cared. I told him I am reading a book, and then he asked me what it is about, and I started giving him some quotes from it. My brother has not even accepted lucid dreaming as a possibility. He got angry red, since the quotes were from Freud, and just stormed out of the kitchen, only managing to say "but this is wrong" . 15 minutes later, he walks in , and then blurs something about everything being wrong because he just thought it to be wrong in those 15 minutes , and more so, terribly unhealthy! and then closed the door shut before I got to answer him, just so his opinion was the last one valid stated. I laughed so much at that reaction

So your story is because your brother was wrong, i must be wrong. therfore i say because your brother is wrong, the moon landings were faked.

Originally Posted by Mesmerate

So your story is because your brother was wrong, i must be wrong. therefore i say because your brother is wrong, the moon landings were faked.

I was sharing to you a real life event. I do not even think in terms of right and wrong anymore, especially when it comes to system of beliefs. DO you feel you relate with him? Btw, I have never said he was wrong, he was just terribly closed to some aspects.
Ohh my spell checker edited your quote spelling. Also, there is good advice in the same post, advice you seemed to have ignored

Originally Posted by AlexaMtz

I was sharing to you a real life event. I do not even think in terms of right and wrong anymore, especially when it comes to system of beliefs. DO you feel you relate with him? Btw, I have never said he was wrong, he was just terribly closed to some aspects.
Ohh my spell checker edited your quote spelling. Also, there is good advice in the same post, advice you seemed to have ignored

You said a few minutes ago i was wrong, what the hell is wrong with you?

Originally Posted by Mesmerate

You said a few minutes ago i was wrong, what the hell is wrong with you?

Please quote where I have stated that .

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Well we don't really know.
Time perception is altered when you are having fun (To the observer, time is going by slower) and when bored the opposite happens. This happens commonly to everyone (?), so we don't exactly know if in dreams it is the illusion or the same is happening and to claim one or the other would be silly considering the facts.

UNLESS you are talking about time dilation and crazy-long periods of time; then I would totally go with illusion of the mind.

Ok, to be clear both events would be illusionary but one is a well known, common alteration of how the observer percieves time to be going by and the other would be illusion of longer events created by a different mechanism.

Originally Posted by Hukif

Well we don't really know.
Time perception is altered when you are having fun (To the observer, time is going by faster) and when bored the opposite happens. This happens commonly, so we don't exactly know if in dreams it is the illusion or the same is happening and to claim one or the other would be silly considering the facts.

UNLESS you are talking about time dilation and crazy-long periods of time; then I would totally go with illusion of the mind.

Well thats what it is mostly directed at, like one person claimed to be in it for 2 years, i mean i dont know but i assume lucid dreams go at the same rate. mabye stephen laberge should test that. but until then i will assume thats how it works and you can assume thats how it works too

Originally Posted by Mesmerate

Well thats what it is mostly directed at, like one person claimed to be in it for 2 years, i mean i dont know but i assume lucid dreams go at the same rate. mabye stephen laberge should test that. but until then i will assume thats how it works and you can assume thats how it works too

Are you saying the 2 years can not be illusionary? I have created illusions of much longer times in lucid dreams, through playing the same scene over and over again with slightly different settings much like you would see in a movie. If a movie showcases the passing of years in a minute or so through the use of images, why wouldn't someone be able to do the same in a dream then? Not literal time dilation, but it not being literal does not mean that you can't create such illusions.

Stephen Laberge DID a test on that. Although his was more on people claiming that normal dreams = different time from waking life and so he just asked his people to count in a dream like they would in waking life. So he pretty much proved that people can replicate waking life tasks inside of a dream accurately, but never bothered with willfully alterating the time perception of someone.

Originally Posted by Hukif

Are you saying the 2 years can not be illusionary? I have created illusions of much longer times in lucid dreams, through playing the same scene over and over again with slightly different settings much like you would see in a movie. If a movie showcases the passing of years in a minute or so through the use of images, why wouldn't someone be able to do the same in a dream then? Not literal time dilation, but it not being literal does not mean that you can't create such illusions.

Stephen Laberge DID a test on that. Although his was more on people claiming that normal dreams = different time from waking life and so he just asked his people to count in a dream like they would in waking life. So he pretty much proved that people can replicate waking life tasks inside of a dream accurately, but never bothered with willfully alterating the time perception of someone.

Wouldn't that get boring doing the same thing for what feels like 2 years in a lucid dream?

mesmerate

read please http://www.dreamviews.com/general-lu...ml#post2123776

Dear gab, thank you. you have done nothing but resort to another way of calling me stupid and completely disregarding my arguement.

Originally Posted by Mesmerate

Dear gab, thank you. you have done nothing but resort to another way of calling me stupid and completely disregarding my arguement.

I think you misread gab's post, she was linking you to the post where she said not to multi post and how to use the quote feature.

Originally Posted by gab

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And I don't see how asking someone to resort from name calling makes someone seem young, it's the mature thing to do.

Originally Posted by Mismagius

I think you misread gab's post, she was linking you to the post where she said not to multi post and how to use the quote feature.

Whats the point of compactness? to look orderly?

Originally Posted by Mesmerate

Whats the point of compactness? to look orderly?

It keeps the threads uncluttered, double posting is unnecessary and just makes people have to scroll more.

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lol Hukif, welcome to SB!

I think I was more or less saying that you are being biased. :/ I am not attacking you. Would be nice to stop the name calling, it makes you look like you are being very young, and I honestly do not appreciate it.

Originally Posted by AlexaMtz

I think I was more or less saying that you are being biased. :/ I am not attacking you. Would be nice to stop the name calling, it makes you look like you are being very young, and I honestly do not appreciate it.

Telling people to stop name calling makes you appear young, but i will stop. i had just assumed you supported this stuff and tried to prove you wrong, also that is the wrong way to use biased. like i really dont understand how having an opinion makes you biased, but ok.

Well, it is not like you are actually doing the same thing for 2 years, maybe a few minutes at most. The illusion is successfully created however and so it won't feel like you were there doing the same thing, but a much broader amount of things.

For example, can you remember entire years of your life? Or just specific events from a random date?

Also you can get creative, maybe the streaming of images can be done in a different way; instead of showing the same thing several times, showing a stream of images that build up a story really quick could do the trick and you wouldn't be doing the same thing at all.

Originally Posted by Hukif

Well, it is not like you are actually doing the same thing for 2 years, maybe a few minutes at most. The illusion is successfully created however and so it won't feel like you were there doing the same thing, but a much broader amount of things.

For example, can you remember entire years of your life? Or just specific events from a random date?

Also you can get creative, maybe the streaming of images can be done in a different way; instead of showing the same thing several times, showing a stream of images that build up a story really quick could do the trick and you wouldn't be doing the same thing at all.

Cool i guess.

Aaaaaand, off we go..

moved to SB

See it this way, so long as you can imagine it you can do it. So lucid dreaming allows for the mind to have a free playground of anything you can conceptualize even if unconciously.

Do you think it would be weird for some people to tie these together to supernatural phenomena? I mean, most do that already from stuff happening around them so in a dream it is bound to happen more often.

This is why I don't see the point in telling someone what to believe or not unless they take the initiative in trying to convince others that what they do is real. There is no real harm, they are playing in their minds so it shouldn't affect anyone else. Maybe if the person believes they can heal others through dream sharing, and then they tell somenoe else not to get medical attention then yes, someone has to jump in and tell them to first get medical attention and then try whatever they want to try but otherwise it is a harmless thing to do.

Ophelia... you made me have my very first post in SB, through the use of shady admin powarz so I hope you are happy! HMPH!
/RC