Sucked into "vortex" Upon becoming lucid

[spenceman]

So in one of my recent dreams I realized one of my dream signs, running, and performed a reality check. I jumped up into the air with the intention to fly, I didn't fly but I knew Gravity was off so I wasn't scared as I fell toward the ground. When I neared the floor the dream setting effectively disappeared and I was in a weird in between stage. Next I felt as if I was being sucked up into a strong vortex or tornado. I had little concept of a body at this point. It was like the vortex pulled me into a new dream setting. Soon after reaching this setting I experienced a false wake up and went through the rest of the night blind. Has anyone else experienced something similar? Is anyone else noticing the brain's seemingly negative view toward lucidity? As if the brain doesn't 'want' us to be lucid?

[Valis1]

"It was like the vortex pulled me into a new dream setting." I have experienced things similar during LD transitions and false awakenings. Usually a sense of being spun, falling, or being propelled forward. " Is anyone else noticing the brain's seemingly negative view toward lucidity? " I do not think the brain is necessarily averse to the lucid dream state, but this is how it seems at the beginning. When one seeks to construct new patterns of behaviour or experience, the old mechanical habits keep popping back up, once concentration lapses the robotic patterns tend to quickly come back, which accounts for the common struggle between most Lucid dreamers and their undesirable programming which seeks to keep them unconscious during the dream state. It seems that the minds objective is being undermining one at every turn, the nature of the problem lies in the slowness that the process of changing old mechanical habits into consciously appropriated and desirable patterns happens. To put it in existentialist terms, the projects of the mind frequently outpace the facticity of the brain. Like in geology, change is mostly a matter of 'time and pressure'. For example, in the meditative process, first there are flashes of the new state, these are hard won and quickly vanish, the old patterns simply have more 'momentum'. Then after a considerable amount of time this new state becomes more easily accessible and also becomes sustainable for progressively longer amounts of time. If one persists the state becomes nearly automatic, it has become a "enduring trait" of the individual and not just a passing state, the pattern has become self-sustaining. This is very similar to the process that occurs when training oneself to become aware while dreaming, in many ways it is a up hill battle, but it gets progressively easier, more 'natural'. The amount of time it takes to do this or its durability in the long term is dependent on how much time and energy is put into the construction of this new state and of course the efficiency of the methods used.

[spenceman]

Thanks for the quick feedback. That's a very interesting point. So I guess, as with anything else, persistence is the key.

[Patience108]

Hi Spenceman yes sounds like you were in the transition stage of a wild. What's sometimes experienced is explained by Sageous ( one the the DreamView teachers ) as ' noise' - you could check out his threads/tutorial on wild and you can read more about it. I had the vortex stuff a few times but not the majority of times - anyway wishing you lots of lucidity

[Tonch]

I've had times where my mind seemed to actively thwart my attempts at lucidity. One time, I started out lucid, and thought to rub my hands to keep the dream stable. When I tried, however, I found that I was suddenly wearing thin food service gloves, and thus the rubbing didn't produce any sensations. I lost the scene after that. Another time, as soon as I realized I was dreaming, the road in front of me rose up out of the ground and flung me into another dream, where I lost lucidity. It's hard to be too mad when the ways my brain stops me are so amusing.