Getting lucid without WBTB?

[Draeger]

I really don't like waking up in the middle of the night in my current situation (which will probably last like this for many many years), so I was wondering if it is possible to lucid dream effectively like everybody else and as easy without WBTB? If I have to I will WBTB but I'd like to avoid it.

[michael79]

I have very active bladder, which is normal for my age, so I use short WBTB insted of normal ones, but without any waking up, Lucidity will be hard. Maybe you can try all day awareness.

[Sageous]

Try MILD, Draeger, as it does not need to involve WBTB's and is a good tool for inducing DILD's. [EDIT] I just happened to glance at your "workbook" thread, and see that you already have MILD (and ADA) listed as your technique of choice; I don't know whose tutorial for MILD you were looking at, but if it says that you must do WBTB with MILD, it is not correct -- WBTB with MILD is a nice combination, yes, but it is not necessary. You might try the tutorial I highlighted above, or, better yet, go to the source and read the MILD sections of LaBerge's Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming]

[Draeger]

Try MILD, Draeger, as it does not need to involve WBTB's and is a good tool for inducing DILD's. [EDIT] I just happened to glance at your "workbook" thread, and see that you already have MILD (and ADA) listed as your technique of choice; I don't know whose tutorial for MILD you were looking at, but if it says that you must do WBTB with MILD, it is not correct -- WBTB with MILD is a nice combination, yes, but it is not necessary. You might try the tutorial I highlighted above, or, better yet, go to the source and read the MILD sections of LaBerge's Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming] Thanks for the reply. I thought that doing WBTB would make it work much better than normal and was thus a requirement if you don't have extreme willpower. Thanks for clearing that up. How much better does it work with WBTB, though? Depending on the effectiveness, I might try it, even if it's unpleasant for me.

[Sageous]

^^ I'm not sure how much better MILD works with WBTB, though having MILD skills in place when attempting WILD (the "normal" WBTB transition) is a valuable addition. I guess what it comes down to is this: it is probably more likely you will have a MILD-induced DILD after a WBTB because you are doing that WBTB late in your sleep cycle, which is when you are more likely to have any LD. The bottom line here for me, I think, is that, if you learn MILD, do the daywork, and can get MILD to work for you, then you can bypass WBTB, which you said was your problem. After you've had some success with MILD without WBTB would probably be the time to go back to trying WBTB. Oh, and I just noticed this: ... so I was wondering if it is possible to lucid dream effectively like everybody else and as easy without WBTB? I'm not sure who you're talking to, but as far as I know you are much closer to the "everyone else" category than those few who can LD effectively, which is a relatively small club. Try not to measure your success against what other people claim; instead, grow at your own pace. Consistent LD'ing is an art that takes some learning, practice, and above all patience. Be positive, try all the techniques until you find what works for you, step away from those that don't (like, for you, WBTB), and your path will eventually become clear. And to answer your question: yes, you can certainly be able to effectively LD without WBTB... I for one was LD'ing for years before I ever heard of, much less tried, WBTB, and I did just fine!