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    Thread: My WBTB Lucid Dreaming Techniques & Tip For Re-Entering A Collapsed Lucid Dream

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      My WBTB Lucid Dreaming Techniques & Tip For Re-Entering A Collapsed Lucid Dream

      I initially wanted to call this a technique for re-entering a collapsed lucid dream, but it really is not a technique, just a piece of advice that has always worked for me 100% to re-enter a dream that collapsed on me before I could re-stabilize it. But first, a little about what I do to lucid dream in the first place.

      Now, my technique for lucid dreaming in general is WBTB, I can WILD pretty often or DILD 100% of the time without any type of problem when I WBTB. When going to sleep at night, I don't even bother to attempt lucidity because my mind and body are too tired to be as aware as I need to be to become lucid.

      Dreaming in general uses energy, but being lucid in a dream uses even more, and if you don't have enough because you had a long day, you won't realize you are dreaming and will simply accept whatever comes up. Spending a good hour (minimum) awake after sleeping initially, allows me to enter a dream and immediately know I'm dreaming because my body and mind are rested enough to be completely aware, but can still rest longer. I spent a while figuring this out. I would lay in bed after waking for 10 minutes then sleep, and I would dream, but would not recognize that I was dreaming, no matter how bizarre things were in the dream. If I was awake for 30 minutes either lying in bed or after getting up, I might become lucid but my chances were less. Over the course of 3 or 4 weeks, I found that the following allowed me to lucid dream every single time:

      I sleep for 6 hours (4 x 90 minutes), get out of bed, get dressed, and engage my mind for 1 - 3 hours (usually 1 1/2), writing down my lucid dream experiments and goals for the upcoming session, and then I head back to bed. I lay on my back, with my limbs spread out so that I'm just completely comfortable and then I contract every single muscle I can for as long as I can hold them contracted, then release and do not move them afterwards. After 10 minutes or so, I can no longer feel my body, and my only focus is my goals for the lucid dream, and my breathing. After another 5 - 10 minutes I start to see swirling colors and images, and within another 10 minutes, sleep paralysis/sleep itself and I enter a dream. Within seconds I know that I'm dreaming and I stabilize the dream by doing the following:

      1. Spinning. I always spin to my left and when I'm done spinning everything around me is very vivid and crystal clear, no haziness. After that I...

      2. Engage my senses by touching and feeling objects, I lick some objects to bring the sense of taste into full force, I smell the air, listen to the sounds and try to determine what they are and the direction they are coming from, and I scan the area looking at as much detail as I can.


      NOW FOR THE ACTUAL TIP FOR RE-ENTERING A COLLAPSED LUCID DREAM

      After I have spent a short while doing these things, I am free to do whatever for good lengths of time. But once a dream starts to collapse on me, and I am not quick enough to re-stabilize it via spinning, I just let it collapse, and have found a way to re-enter dreaming and becoming lucid again within just a few minutes:

      When a lucid dream collapses on you, DO NOT OPEN YOUR EYES, and DO NOT MOVE A MUSCLE. The only thing you should even think about doing, is breathing. If you stay completely still without opening your eyes, within minutes (1 - 5) you should (for me it's "will") start dreaming again, and should be able to become lucid in seconds. The scene itself may be different, but once you have stabilized the new dream, just express your intent to return to your previous dream and it will happen.

      100% of the times I have done this, I was dreaming again shortly, so in the span of an hour and a half two days ago I had 10 lucid dreams one after the other until I decided it was time for me to get up and get on with the day. This is now very frequent and I've felt empowered to be able to attain lucidity with such ease, and to immediately go back into those dreams I thought for sure I wouldn't be able to go back to later on.

      I encourage everyone to try this for re-entering dreams that suddenly collapsed on them and let me know how it goes.
      Last edited by AL3ZAY; 05-21-2011 at 01:45 AM.

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      Thanks for posting this exciting thread, it always helps to know what works for others! It sounds a lot like a Dream Exit Induced Lucid Dream (DEILD), can you point out differences or key changes that might make your technique stand apart?

      I have been trying to re-enter dreams, it's one of my current lucid goals. Consciously I too have decided to try and reenter a dream, but am still getting the proccess down. It seems like 1-3 hours is a long time to stay up after waking
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      Good tips; I touch lots of objects in my own dreams and it works amazingly well.

      The reentering part sounds similar to a DEILD, but nice job nevertheless! It helps if you visualize the dream scene you just came from, too.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Metalconch View Post
      Thanks for posting this exciting thread, it always helps to know what works for others! It sounds a lot like a Dream Exit Induced Lucid Dream (DEILD), can you point out differences or key changes that might make your technique stand apart?

      I have been trying to re-enter dreams, it's one of my current lucid goals. Consciously I too have decided to try and reenter a dream, but am still getting the proccess down. It seems like 1-3 hours is a long time to stay up after waking
      The only thing is, I can't honestly call it a technique, because I didn't do anything further to induce the dream state again, it was just something I randomly tried and it continued to work. I was experimenting with obtaining knowledge at an accelerated rate among other things, and the dream started to collapse on me very fast. I tried to start spinning, but I knew I was going to be connected to my physical reality body very soon and decided not to. At that point I was simply laying there, eyes closed, in the black void (as I call it) and I just made the random decision not to open my eyes, nor move, and only to breathe. I didn't consciously focus on controlling my breathing, it was that it was the only thing I could feel going on in my body at the moment. My limbs didn't exist at that moment, nor did any of my skeletal muscular structure, despite knowing I could engage them at any time and move around. Just by doing that, I stayed in such a complete state of relaxation, that I guess it was very easy for my body and mind to return to sleep and dreaming quickly. My body did not "know" that I was awake because I did not move at all, and my mind returned to sleep easily because I didn't open my eyes or engage any serious conscious thought processes. I just had fleeting thoughts of "continue lucid dreaming" and "more experiments need completing". I drifted back off so fast that WILDing wasn't even an option so far as being aware every second of entering the dream. I would simply enter a dream, look around, and say "I'm dreaming again".

      If you want to re-enter the same dream, I would say do not allow your mind to focus on it too greatly, because focus creates a higher state of alertness, which counter-acts trying to go to sleep. Just set the intent and trust yourself to remember and complete it. Once you enter the dream, whatever it may look like, and have become lucid again, express your intent out loud to start back where you left off, and the entire dream will revert to the dream you were in before.

      And yeah staying awake for an hour or two (or three) seems like a long time, but I notice that during that time, I still yawn on occasion, and feel as if I could still get away with more rest, despite being able to go a full day on that amount of sleep alone. In addition to that, my mind is completely aware at that point, and all of my "thinking centers" are moving at full force. Writing down and planning my objectives for the upcoming dreaming sets my intent in my mind on dreaming and becoming lucid, and then completing my objectives. When I go back to bed and contract my muscles for as long as I can bear to hold them completely contracted then relax, it takes a little while to drift off completely into sleep from being so awake, but I'm completely relaxed and calm, and as soon as I start to dream my awareness is still "on" because I engaged it by getting up and actively using it long enough for it to stay active. I am in no way mentally or physically weary at the time, so recognizing the dream state is just this semi-instantaneous knowing when it comes into view.

      If I go back to bed too early, my mind is not completely awake and aware from the deep restorative sleep, and lucid dreaming becomes hit or miss while dreaming itself is a guarantee at that level of rest.
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      After reading this, it seems less of a WBTB than a nap. This is truly a gift though, and I'm about to head back to bed at 7:40 to try your um... strategy haha. I've experienced leaving a dream into my waking body consciously without moving, it's an interesting experience. I'm normally still in sleep paralysis, or I just drift off into an unconscious dream, I need to set my intent!

      Thanks for all the information
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      Nice, I'm currently in my WBTB mode right now, I usually only stay up for about 15-30 minutes, with a 30-50% chance lucid. But this time I'll stay up for about an hour, although it might be hard for me to fall back asleep lol.
      "I know it's easy to imagine, but it's easier to just do. See, if you can't do what you imagine, then what is imagination to you?" -KiD CuDi

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      This works i tried it this morning, but I was impatient and a very wierd feeling made me move. Probobly the begining of being paralized.

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      Awesome to know that it worked for someone else, keep the results coming everyone.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Osmodin View Post
      This works i tried it this morning, but I was impatient and a very wierd feeling made me move. Probobly the begining of being paralized.
      Normally your body will give you a strong urge to move, itch, ect. right before you enter sleep paralysis just to confirm that you arn't still awake. You were probably so close!


      I tried the technique and it didn't work, then again my recall today was absolutely horribel for some reason
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      Great thread, will definetly follow your posts when im able to lucid more, havn't been able to WILD as of yet, any tips on how you anchor your awareness, so you dont fall asleep? Most say they just observe whats happening, I find that difficult, is it worth practising that or are there other more effective ways?

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      This is just Deild?

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      Thanks for posting. Last night, I remembered your technique and was able to re-enter my LD #3, after it collapsed. Can I ask you - how long do you spin and do you spin fast or slow? I probably didn't spin long enough and dream didn't get clear and focused. Also, I experienced some really weird feeling while re-entering - like I'm sinking into my bed really deep and felt myself screaming. Is that normal?

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      My 'technique'

      I believe that your 'technique' works, but after researching the topic of 'returning to lucid dreams' I come to find that there were some 'rules' I didn't need to follow in order to return to my dream.
      I'll explain what I do;

      Today I was awoken at 6:00am in order for my partner to go to work. I made brekky, walked around, play-fought and eventually returned to bed just over an hour later. I was well rested already and feeling quite energetic.

      After falling asleep- I can't be sure what the time frame was but I had begun lucidly dreaming what seemed almost immediately. (I have been quite the intense dreamer from a young age.)
      after emotional pain caused by a large explosion- losing someone I loved in my dream (a complete nobody) I begun to wake up. The 'waking-phase' lasted about a minute and the entire time I was in distress from wanting to remain in a dream-state.

      I eventually realised it was the end of the dream for me and laying in bed. I told myself not to move and keep my eyes closed so I could return but of course, I was lying uncomfortable and had 'something in my eye'.

      I rolled over, wiped my eyes and begun to desperately attempt to return to my dream by invisioning the last event of the dream and beginning to 'day dream' how I would've ended the lucidity. The vision became a blur and within at least 10minutes I was back in the same dream, finishing it off. I wasn't aware of having returned and my dream had not ended in the manner I imagined but I was still overjoyed to have returned.


      Hence, I believe the technique that works for me- and possibly others if wanting to try- is not neccissarily attempt to 'relax' too intimately, but to take a 'waking-phase' as if it is a short delay and leave your body as relaxed as it is upon waking- move if you have to get comfortable, scratch if you have an itch and invision yourself continuing the dream as if you never left.

      I embrace my dreams- maybe a little too obsessively- in saying so, they flavour my day and I often wish to return. Hope this works for others if they want to have a crack at it.

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      Great first post, you can never be too intrigued with dreams
      Lucid Goals

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      convince a dc they're in a dream, get high, go swimming

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