Thread: Ever looked at the floor?

Yeah it was really weird, I do it to stabilise the dream if I need to.

I should try that, next LD I get. I can't really recall in any dream looking at the floor purposefully. o_o

Sometimes I wonder if it's just the impression of detail rather than actual detail being presented. Like for words, I may be convinced they are completely legiable during the dream, but not recall what it said once I awake.

Originally posted by grayegg
Sometimes I wonder if it's just the impression of detail rather than actual detail being presented. *Like for words, I may be convinced they are completely legiable during the dream, but not recall what it said once I awake.

I think about this as well.

Like maybe your brain is just telling you, "It's incredibly detailed...Be amazed!!!"

Its odd really, cause only a couple of nights ago i had a dream when i examined the floor, and it was perfect, had a few unusual details, such a threads of red string, and a friend said he examined the floor to find extreme detail, and if u look at the floor enough, surely u should be able to memorise wat u'd expect a floor to look like, up close.....however, i also had a dream a few days back in which i read a txt, and instantly knew the content, although i know full well the words made no sence.....

man, I don't know HOW our brains can do it...

but yeah, I remember in one LD where I sat on the floor, looked at the carpet which looked perfect, and then just to kinda test things out, I put my hands on the carpet and ran my hands all over it...if felt SO freaking real

fun stuff

well I was reading about the subconscious the other day, and some if its accepted definitions. the subconscious holds all the memories and past experiences. its like a computer holding information. and depending on the past experiences, the subconscious can develop tendencies - like a bad eating habit that the conscious person isn't even aware of.

the conscious mind at any given point is only holding a small ounce of the total memories the subconscious holds - but it can recall information as it needs instantly. so......maybe the reason why dreams can become so vivid is becuase the subconscious can hold vivid memories of the world around us?

I know what you guys are saying. I assure you, the detail is not implied. I have STUDIED the details closely, time and time again. I can see the little hairs on the blades of grass. I can see my fingerprints. Stuff like that can't be implied.

-sloth

Originally posted by sloth
I know what you guys are saying. I assure you, the detail is not implied. I have STUDIED the details closely, time and time again. I can see the little hairs on the blades of grass. I can see my fingerprints. Stuff like that can't be implied.

-sloth

he's right, a
also words aren't eligible, you can read them, but all they are is jumbled up letters (ie. if I tried to remember what something said I would remember "D&fhe", Iv found that only in low level LDs can you just "know" what it says, and also Iv had LDs where the letters made full words and sentences, its not impossible

I know what you guys are saying. I assure you, the detail is not implied. I have STUDIED the details closely, time and time again. I can see the little hairs on the blades of grass. I can see my fingerprints. Stuff like that can't be implied.
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wurd...

i have studiously examined upholstery patterns, small imperfections in the paint on a wall...looked at my hands and seen every crease and crevice, and even unique scars..

Originally posted by BillyBob_001


he's right, a
also words aren't eligible, you can read them, but all they are is jumbled up letters (ie. if I tried to remember what something said I would remember "D&fhe", Iv found that only in low level LDs can you just "know" what it says, and also Iv had LDs where the letters made full words and sentences, its not impossible

I believe this has something to do with the whole left side/right side of the brain thing...
I have seen a tombstone, and I couldn't make out the name on the piece. I ended up tracing my finger inside the indentations made by the writing, but could not make out the name.
One day, I came to, and I was lucid. I thought, 'I FINALLY get to try it!' and so I ran over to the bookshelf. To my amazement, I was able to read perfectly clearly! I understood exactly what it was saying! I woke up then.
Immediately after awakening, I realized that I had no idea what I had been reading about. I had heard the words in my head, but I had no idea what they were really saying.

This is a good example of the kind of 'impressionistic' concept that was discussed at the beginning of this post. Your brain says that you can read it, so you BELIEVE you can. You get the IMPRESSION that you are.
When I was reading the book, I could read words... as in think/hear them in my head, but I wasn't actually SEEING the letters, and the words weren't really forming sentences.

Billybob, Are you sure you are only a lucid scholar?

-sloth

Originally posted by BillyBob_001


he's right, a
also words aren't eligible, you can read them, but all they are is jumbled up letters (ie. if I tried to remember what something said I would remember "D&fhe", Iv found that only in low level LDs can you just "know" what it says, and also Iv had LDs where the letters made full words and sentences, its not impossible

I have read a whole sentances in a dream before - a good page that MOSTLY made sense. Grammer wise, it was english. It was just the content that was a bit screwy

but when I turned the page, and went back to try and read it again - the content had changed

Originally posted by lvlindless
You know when you look down at the floor and you see all the details, the little rocks, the smudges and everything. I did it twice in my LD, and it looked perfect. You could see every tiny little detail and I was amazed. How in the hell does your brain do this?

Another Materialist!

Why do you think it is your Brain?

If you were a Spiritualist, then you could suppose that there is some Objective Spiritual Reality somewhere behind the Subjective Reality of your Dreamings.

so the detail of the Floor (in my dreams it was the ground outside) does not have to source out of the Brain but can be part of some Greater Collective Consciousness, or some Universal Spiritual Reality.

Originally posted by Leo Volont


Another Materialist!

Why do you think it is your Brain?

If you were a Spiritualist, then you could suppose that there is some Objective Spiritual Reality somewhere behind the Subjective Reality of your Dreamings.

so the detail of the Floor (in my dreams it was the ground outside) does not have to source out of the Brain but can be part of some Greater Collective Consciousness, or some Universal Spiritual Reality.

You could be right but there's no proof of that is there?

Originally posted by lvlindless
You could be right but there's no proof of that is there?

This dives into a whole other subject, but I find his theory to be consistent with one of mine, that the universe is all one consciousness. If a collection of atoms and molecules and cells can create consciousness within our brain, is it possible that a collection of planets, galaxies, and stars create consciousness as well? Could this be why it is said that god is everywhere, inside us all, and all that nonsence? Perhaps he is. How great could a mind be if it CONTAINS all of ours... this would very well give him 'cosmic' powers. Can you not control certain parts of your body?

At any rate, I don't BELIEVE any of this. I only believe what I actually know, and I don't actually know that the sun will come up tomorrow. I believe that it probably will... most likely, but who can really say? I say prove it.

Even though I can't BELIEVE this claim, I can still give it the DIGNITY of allowing for two minutes of THOUGHT on the subject, instead of dismissing it because the writer doesn't have PROOF, as you have done.
I challenge you to prove to me that you have a OUNCE of BRAIN MATTER in your head.

No. Wait.. I will not rule out the possibility. I will accept the possibility that you have intelligence, instead of insultingly shooting this theory down without giving it the benefit of the doubt.

What were you hoping to accomplish by posting this? To show that he has not proven that we are all one mind? Fine. Great job. I still hold firmly to what I believe, and don't believe.

-sloth

that sorta reminds me of a story I read online some guy posted on OBE experience, or at least he thought it was on OBE. It was a first time experience so he wasn't sure. The story basically follows as this, he rolls out of bed and sees a being of light in front of him. The being of light says "Hello!" and claims itself to be God. The guy is in utter disbelief! "God..no way! I'm hallucinating."

They carry out a conversation, mostly with the guy going "No way!" and God going "Yes" and then God shows him the universe, creation, love, light all that jazz.

The man is still in utter disbelief and continues saying "No way..I'm hallucinating!!"

the guy wakes up from his OBE and still doesn't know if he met God or not. He can look at the whole experience, even if it was more real than anything, and still say it was just a dream.

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You can meet God. You can feel the oneness of the universe! And when that experience happens, you can even ask for a physical sign that it was real. Lets just say, a dove sleeping on your bed when you 'wake up'. So you wake up....bloody hell theres a dove on your bed!

So what does this mean? NOTHING. You still have the ability to doubt. To say it wasn't real, to say it was a hallucination, a dream . A fanciful dream. And that dove on your bed? The so called evidence? A coincidence.

And if two or more people witness the same vision of God or Oneness - you can still say the same thing - hallucination!

And if 100s of people witness the same vision at the same time, like in the Miracle of Fatima - we still say the same thing. That they all just..hallucinated together! Delusional, each and every one.......... Even though we don't even have any evidence that you can share a hallucination anymore than we have evidence that you can share a vision............ And all those documented miracles? NATURAL PHENOMENON...HALUCINATIONS....LIES.

has anyone actually looked it the definition of a natural phenomnon?? or have an understanding of them? Natural phenomenon basically just means theres an explanation - a natural one, EVEN if we don't know the explanation or understand it yet. Well the belief of God has changed over the century - God is not a magical God using some magical wand to create things. No. These days the very force of nature and what we call...physics is the hand of God.

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The oneness of life, of minds or souls is not so different than the belief of God. You can't disprove either more than you can prove them, but you can SEE evidence or LACK of evidence................depending on YOUR perception of life and reality. And since the human mind can look at something, so small, like a tree leaf and say this is absolute evidence in God or absolute evidence there is NO GOD - religions run on faith.

I have faith in human experiences. If 1000s of people, and 100s more every year experience a divine Oneness of the whole universe, and tell their story ANONYMOUSLY - what right do I have to say that each and everyone one of them is delusional or lied?

Originally posted by lvlindless
You could be right but there's no proof of that is there?

Well, asking for proof is the proof that you are of that shallow breed of materialists. Well, it does no harm.

But the Flower of Psychological Possibilities opens up far wider for the Spiritual Hypothesis then for the limpass materialist.

It is the difference between the dreams of a Poet and those of an accountant.

Originally posted by juroara
that sorta reminds me of a story I read online some guy posted on OBE experience, or at least he thought it was on OBE. It was a first time experience so he wasn't sure. The story basically follows as this, he rolls out of bed and sees a being of light in front of him. The being of light says "Hello!" and claims itself to be God. The guy is in utter disbelief! "God..no way! I'm hallucinating."

They carry out a conversation, mostly with the guy going "No way!" and God going "Yes" and then God shows him the universe, creation, love, light all that jazz.

The man is still in utter disbelief and continues saying "No way..I'm hallucinating!!"

the guy wakes up from his OBE and still doesn't know if he met God or not. He can look at the whole experience, even if it was more real than anything, and still say it was just a dream.

*****************************

You can meet God. You can feel the oneness of the universe! And when that experience happens, you can even ask for a physical sign that it was real. Lets just say, a dove sleeping on your bed when you 'wake up'. So you wake up....bloody hell theres a dove on your bed!

So what does this mean? NOTHING. You still have the ability to doubt. To say it wasn't real, to say it was a hallucination, a dream . A fanciful dream. And that dove on your bed? The so called evidence? A coincidence.

And if two or more people witness the same vision of God or Oneness - you can still say the same thing - hallucination!

And if 100s of people witness the same vision at the same time, like in the Miracle of Fatima - we still say the same thing. That they all just..hallucinated together! Delusional, each and every one.......... Even though we don't even have any evidence that you can share a hallucination anymore than we have evidence that you can share a vision............ And all those documented miracles? NATURAL PHENOMENON...HALUCINATIONS....LIES.

has anyone actually looked it the definition of a natural phenomnon?? or have an understanding of them? Natural phenomenon basically just means theres an explanation - a natural one, EVEN if we don't know the explanation or understand it yet. Well the belief of God has changed over the century - God is not a magical God using some magical wand to create things. No. These days the very force of nature and what we call...physics is the hand of God.

*********************************

The oneness of life, of minds or souls is not so different than the belief of God. You can't disprove either more than you can prove them, but you can SEE evidence or LACK of evidence................depending on YOUR perception of life and reality. And since the human mind can look at something, so small, like a tree leaf and say this is absolute evidence in God or absolute evidence there is NO GOD - religions run on faith.

I have faith in human experiences. If 1000s of people, and 100s more every year experience a divine Oneness of the whole universe, and tell their story ANONYMOUSLY - what right do I have to say that each and everyone one of them is delusional or lied?

I'll have to keep my eyes on you.

Yes, I have heard the argument, of Fatima, that 500 square miles of Portugal had hallucinated. Yeap.

One of my favoritie stories is from one of the latter chapters of Arthor Osborn's "the Incredible Sai Baba" in which, some 40 years after the death of old Sai Baba there is a Catholic Nun in Calcutta or somewhere who must leave the convent and rejoin her family or whatnot. She finally gets a dispensation from Rome and can leave and it occurs to her that she has absolutely nothing, and for the first time she is assailed by worldly mundane concerns such as where her next meal will come from.

Then, still in the cloistered nunery, in her own private cell, locked away from all the World, there appears an old Fakir or Sadhu -- some Indian Old Man, and he tells her she should have nothing to worry about, and then he asks for an Offering.

Well, her concern had started when it occurred to her that she had no money and so she told the Old Fakir that an offering was not very likely and that at the moment she was embarrassed. "Nonsense" said the Old Fakir and told her that in her cabinets she had set aside a 50 rupee note given to her by her sister when she became a novice. So she went and looked, and remarkably though she hadn't seen it or thought about in in so many years, there it was. And when she turned around the Old Fakir was gone.

Well, when she met up with her Family near Bombay she saw a poster in a shop window and it was Old Sai Baba of Shirdi.

What is remarkable about that story was that it dissappoints and crosses so much territory. A Nun who is quitting her Orders receives a Miracle, but from a Hindu-Sufi Saint. A Modern Ecumenical Twist.