Thread: Murder, Dream Freedom, And Where T Draw The Line

Originally Posted by PenguinLord13

I am against dream murder in general for the simple reason that just because it has no effect doesn't mean you should do it, and your morals should at least somewhat apply to your dreams. That being said, I have nothing against having random violence like video games and stuff like that where you go matrix on everyone, as that is just fun. What I don't like is the idea of taking out your pent up anger on someone by doing horrible and violent things to them in a dream. It is better than doing it in reality, but I somehow have a suspicion that it still is not healthy, and I just believe that violence is very rarely the answer.[/b]

yea dude , but if you have the wanting to beat the crap out of some one , and you have the oportunity to do it without harming anybody, why not , i mean its just a peacefull way to calm your feelings.

Originally Posted by viking

yea dude , but if you have the wanting to beat the crap out of some one , and you have the oportunity to do it without harming anybody, why not , i mean its just a peacefull way to calm your feelings.[/b]

If you read my second post here (two posts before yours), you'll realize that I actually left that as an exception to my opinion, as it is better to vent your anger somewhere than to let it build up. I don't think its healthy, but letting your anger build is much worse, and you then may totally lose it, and do something violent in real life, so in that case there is nothing wrong.

Originally Posted by Wasted24

Comparing drugs to violence makes no sense at all. Drugs are addictive substances that were outlawed by the government for a reason. Drugs cannot be handled by a rational person in theory because of the strong addiction they hold over you. But violence, on the other hand has no addictive effect on people whatsoever[/b]

(Not to get off on a tangent, but...)
I think someone should go ahead and tell us the reason that the government outlaws "drugs" (not the one that make big money, though). Rational people can and often do "handle" drugs of every kind. Yes, some do lose control and suffer ill effects, but it should be every citizen's right to choose his or her own pleasures as long as the risks are made clear. As they used to say, "it's a free country".

I think it is reasonable though to say that raping and violently slaughtering people in disgusting ways is going a bit far, as that cannot be healthy for your brain, and is just sick[/b]

As someone who has committed rape a few times in dreams (well, sex without asking consent, which is rape), I don't agree that it's just sick. I have enough confidence in my moral sense to have no fear of imaginary acts.

Originally Posted by drb0505

Rational people can and often do "handle" drugs of every kind.[/b]

Yea, thats why i said "in theory".

Originally Posted by drb0505

As someone who has committed rape a few times in dreams (well, sex without asking consent, which is rape), I don't agree that it's just sick. I have enough confidence in my moral sense to have no fear of imaginary acts.[/b]

I am reffereing more to reallly violent, gross rape like you hear about on the 10 o'clock news. Just having sex without their consent in a dream is no big deal if you're not being sick and violent about it in my opinion. I just personally think that there is no need to rape someone in a dream, when you can make them want it instead. I guess in reality there is no difference between doing it without consent, and controlling their mind so they want it, but if I were to have Lucid sex, it would somehow get rid of any moral regret afterwards if I made the person want it, instead of just raping them.

I guess for those who thinks that lucid dreams are an alternate universe or something then it would be bad. I wouldn't wanna murder anyone even in dreams though just cause. If it just so happened to be an alternate universe (or reality or whatever) let's just say, I like to be on the safe side.

I don't think anything you do in dreams will have any inpact on you, as long as you know it's a dream

I think the difference comes when you start to kill people you know because of some issue you have with them in real life. Then I would worry. But as for going matrix-style just for the sheer awesomeness... no problem just don't go crazy.

I think as long as people can just contain their violence in their dreams it's okay,, I personally have never 'murdered' someone in my dream before. The 'fights' i do remember look like the movie things, that you just miss people etc. xD!

necroposting much? haha

Wow now that you mention it, I haven't even seen that it was from 2007 o.0

I think that whatever people do in their personal dreams (either regular or lucid) is their own business. If someone kills their DCs in their lucids for sick pleasure, however, they proooobably should keep that to themselves. In a way I think those actions could result in similar behavior in waking life, especially if someone is not mentally stable like conisag said. If you're harmless about it, though, and don't take those actions you do seriously, I think it is OK. One might even be able to learn from the murder of a DC and turn it into a positive life lesson.

well, if you decide to murder someone in a dream you've already made the thought. I don't think this thought is any worse than the dream murder itself.
However if you know anything about existentialism, you find that a man becomes what he thinks of himself, and that idealism is reflected onto society.
So yeah i guess i'd say it depends on how much you enjoy it
Otherwise i say do what you want.

Originally Posted by conisag

unless you struggle with mental problems, if a paedophile discovered lucid dreaming-lets just say we all know what vile and twisted thing a paedophiles mind is capable of, but murder however is different in the way you can understand what you are doing sint real and no one is being hurt

Well, I have never!

I know this thread is old as death, but I just had to reply to that -.-
EDIT: Although, I didn't actually make a real reply, did I? Well, I guess I was hoping I don't need to say anything else, the quote is a milestone in idiocy.

EDIT2:
To answer the thread more directly, though:
Murder: Sure.
Dream Freedom: That's what it's for!
Where t draw the line: In the hallway between dream and reality

I have a friend who is pressed on the thought that he would be unphased if he ever killed someone (too much immaturity and FPS's) but i think if a dream is vivid enough and you kill someone that it can have a serious affect on your mind. Maybe in a good way as in my friends case, seeing how disturbing and mentally unsettling it is. Unless of coarse you are really mad at someone or something before you go to sleep, then i could imagine pleasurable (yet unhealthy) LD murder.