Thread: Say what about Oneironauts??? NO WAY MAN!

im 18 fresh out of high school (finally! ) i cliff jump, repel, rock climb (not very good at rock climbing), scuba dive , and i am an oneironaut. To sum it up, i am an adrenilane junkie. From the depths of the dream world and the underwater world,to the heights of the 50 ft cliff im about to jump off, and the hieghts of the 250ft repel im about to do. I dont really talk about lding much. Mostly just to people on DV. I would love to talk to my friends about it, but they would probably think it was creepy lol

Originally Posted by freefire

im 18 fresh out of high school (finally! ) i cliff jump, repel, rock climb (not very good at rock climbing), scuba dive , and i am an oneironaut. To sum it up, i am an adrenilane junkie. From the depths of the dream world and the underwater world,to the heights of the 50 ft cliff im about to jump off, and the hieghts of the 250ft repel im about to do. I dont really talk about lding much. Mostly just to people on DV. I would love to talk to my friends about it, but they would probably think it was creepy lol

hey...i gotta ask, is real cliff jumping different that dream jumping???
this is off topic but im just curious

Originally Posted by SEBSTER

hey...i gotta ask, is real cliff jumping different that dream jumping???
this is off topic but im just curious

Hey. I know I am not the one you asked, but from my own experience doing stuff in dreams is more exciting. I don't know why. This is just my own experience others might like reality more.

I remember the one time I flew. I got a ride in an ultralight. It was basicly a stick with a seat at the front for the pilot and a seat behind him for me then the huge propeller was behind me and a wing over that.

I did not feel anything. We did what was called a 'wing over' a few times and it didn't thrill me at all. I guess my brain did get some good visuals for when I fly in dreams again but as for enjoying it I didn't.

:-)

Most of my friends thought I was absolutely insane, but I didn't care. One or two of them got into it themselves though, but never really talked about it. One of my literary teachers my sophomore years was pretty cool about it though, she had a book on it and was pretty interested.

hey...i gotta ask, is real cliff jumping different that dream jumping???
this is off topic but im just curious

its not much different. Your dreams can enhance the feeling abit sometimes like dreamship said, but i do my cliffs in real life anyway. The chance of getting hurt makes it more exciting, and for me its alot more fun in real life. I save the really insane stuff for dreaming. Like at least 200ft cliffs. And i dont use water in dreams. I use the ground.

Originally Posted by SEBSTER

hey...i gotta ask, is real cliff jumping different that dream jumping???
this is off topic but im just curious

I fell off a cliff in the mid '80's.

Doing it in a dream is MUCH better.

Just a few days ago I was at my mothers place for a nice mothers day supper, I ended up telling her about it over supper...and her reaction was: 'Haha, oh Tom...activism, buddhism, nature, and now this...you're such a hippy.'

I could tell she thought it sounded sort of New Agish...which really got me, because we just finished having a talk about the existance of God, and some great arguments by Dawkins, Sam Harris, Carl Sagan etc. I was thinking: "What? I'm the skeptic here!" Ha, it was a funny though ass-backwards situation.

Most people that I've mentioned it to have never heard about it and really do assume it's some sort of New Age Wishy Washy hobbie. Meh, whatever...I'll be flying circles around them in no time...[Dreamwise anyway...]


-Tom

I don't bring it up to people I know causally unless they happen to bring up something related to dreams or SP. I only introduce it to people who either show an interest on some level or who I know respect me highly for my intellect (yes, a few people actually have ) and technical skills in various fields of discipline. It's not the kind of subject you can usually just break the ice with. Trust goes a long way towards having credibility with respect to LDing.

The idea of being conscious AND unconscious (as most people assume that sleep is necessarily an unconscious state) seems too paradoxical for most people to accept without a proper foundation of knowledge - or personal experience - upon which to present the concept.

Howabout like when someone starts gettiong all religios about it...my dad is a HUUUGE christian and im always telling him that when i meditate or dream it has nothing to do with a God or GODS, i tell him its all just inside my head...does anyone get any Religious Skeptics?

Originally Posted by SEBSTER

Howabout like when someone starts gettiong all religios about it...my dad is a HUUUGE christian and im always telling him that when i meditate or dream it has nothing to do with a God or GODS, i tell him its all just inside my head...does anyone get any Religious Skeptics?

I've never had the religious argument thrown at me. However, one of the people I taught the art of LDing to is a huge Christian. He runs a Salvation Army church, is extremely active in prison ministry and Christian-themed magic performances. He's never seemed to have any sort of moral or philosophical objections to lucid dreaming. In fact, he was very interested in learning when I first explained the "power" to him.

The way I brought the subject up to him was we were watching a video of his by Andre Cole. Cole is a magician who also debunks faith healers, mystics, psychics, psychic surgeons and other such con-men (I highly reccomend his book entitled "Miracles or magic". I think that's the correct title.). We were discussing the implications of mind games of that nature and I said something like: "You know, there is a real mental power that we all have that most people aren't even aware of. You want magic powers? Let me tell about the power to be aware during your dreams and control the action..." He was instantly putty in my hands He learned quickly - or had beginner's luck - and was extremely impressed with his new-found powers.

Talk about God... I don't see why some people think that somehow God doesn't approve of "tampering with dreams". It seems to me to be a gift well worth striving for.