Thread: The "Evil" in SP

I've been encoutering more and more SP lately (which is odd, because I never had a case of it before I started LD'ing).

While anyway, most of the time I would wake up from a LD into the SP...I would see something that looked like this:

http://monsters.ffxi-atlas.com/monsters/?id=354

No choking, no chest-sitting, no sounds...just kinda "out there"...Well, today....NOT good.

So I am lying in my bed, face up...(this may be a FA)...i go to reach for my nose, can't...ugh...SP. anyways, this hat that I have on top of one of my speakers that overhangs my bed, flew off and hit me in the foot...(now i think I may be dreaming)...the next thing I know, I feel like I am hovering, and I am in this space between my bed and dresser...still cant move...but, I feel a presence..

So things are starting to get to me. Then, I hear "it. "It" is the voice of pure evil. In the one or two successful WILDs I've had, the verbal hallucinations I had were mild...kinda amusing in a way. But this...just pure evil. And I could feel a pressure on my throat...not choking, but like there was a remote on my neck.

Well, anyways, I am pretty sure it was a bad case of SP. My question I guess is...has anyone had the sounds of pure evil talk to them? I don't remember what he said, but he had that Low, deep, demonic tone.

Well, Happy dreaming, lol!

thats pretty creepy. about the only voice i hear sounds automated for some reason, or like god from bruce almighty. haha kinda random, i know.

Could be just the panic of not being able to move. First time I had SP, I was sure it was aliens. I felt kinda silly for thinking that afterwards, but at the time it made perfect sense.

I have noticed an evil feeling presence after hypnagogic and hypnopompic imagery. It was so disturbing, I actually gave up on exploring the hypnagogic state for awhile. I still haven't really got back into it. I've heard someone mention that this was referred to as a Threshold Entity. Seems to be pretty common anyways, probably nothing to it.

I have yet to repeat my success with WILD, but this is quite interesting. A dark, malevolent presence... how cool is that? Anyways, I know a friend who often gets FA's and has problems with SP... in the dream, he has a monster slowly approach him bit by bit, until it's pretty much sitting on his chest. Then as soon as he wakes up, he starts jumping around his room just wanting to move around after having the dreams. Kinda freaky...

Hallucinations like that are a pretty common part of SP... While some people don't get them, many others do. Personally, I've had some very freaky SP experiences... This one time, I began hearing voices like children playing and laughing, and saw a dark shadow creeping towards me... Before I came out of SP, I could swear I felt little hands brushing my shoulders and gripping my throat tighter and tighter.

Knowing what it is -- simple hallucinations caused by your being aware as your mind begins to slip into the dream state -- really goes a long way in fighting the fear and sticking through it until you have a successful WILD

Below is a posting I did on 03/02/05 of my only (I hope) experience with "Old Hag":

Originally Posted by Clairity

I've experienced "Old Hag" (i.e., sleep paralyis) before and was usually able to ride it out without too much fear or discomfort as I knew what it was.. but what I experienced this morning.. was different.. it was violent.

First a little education on what Old Hag/sleep paralyis for those who haven't heard the terms before.

** Old Hag is caused by sleep paralysis lingering after waking. Sleep paralysis happens during REM dreaming, and prevents you from acting out your dreams by blocking motor signals from your brain. The classic symptoms are - unable to move, a feeling of weight on your chest and/or unable to breath, a sense of a presence, fear or panic, and some vague (usually greyish) object in the centre of the visual field which is often interpreted as a person (or nowadays, an alien). The "Old Hag" name arose from people putting the symptoms together to form the interpretation that an old hag was sat on your chest, pinning you to the bed. **

As I said I've experienced "Old Hag" before but this morning.. this morning really scared me.

I woke up at 4:30 am and had gone to a couch in another room so as not to be disturbed by my husband. I had done my meditation on my back but since it takes me forever to fall asleep on my back, I rolled over onto my right side. I again continued my affirmations to realize when I was dreaming. I felt the familiar "shift" that let me know that I was on the bridge between mind awake and body asleep when things turned horribly.. different.

I heard a screeching/scraping sound which I welcomed in a way as it usually meant the vibrations were coming and perhaps I could go straight into a lucid dream. I remained focused and calm.. ready for the vibrations to start.. but suddenly I felt myself being lifted up into the air and SLAMMED back onto the couch! My first thought was WTF!! but I hadn't even finished that thought when I was lifted up, shaken and slammed again! I was violently slammed at least 5 times.. Once I even felt my body being "broken" over the arm of the couch! I tried to "wake" myself up but couldn't move! I didn't even think to scream.. I was just so shocked that this was happening. It felt like something incredibly strong was lifting me up by the back of my legs and was slamming me like a rag doll!

Somehow the words "I am protected by pure white light" came into my mind and it all... just... stopped.

Slowly in the black stillness I saw hypnagogic imagery of large luminous white snowflakes floating towards and past my eyes. They sort of reminded me of those large crystal snowflakes that you'd put on a Christmas tree. Even though there were many and moving, I could tell that each one was different.

I thought that if I could stop them from going by and turn them into a landscape.. I could jump or merge into them as I have other hypnagogic images and begin a lucid dream.. but I lost concentration and they started to fade and I woke up.

I lay there for a few minutes just trying to make sense out what had happened. I am so grateful for the snowflakes that I saw because if I had woken right up after the "astral attack", I might have gotten up, went back to my bed, hugged my husband and been too afraid to ever try LDing again.

Instead, I calmed myself, asked again to be protected by pure white light and fell into a sweet very vivid non-lucid dream.

I realize this is a very long post and I thank those who read it all the way through. I mistakenly thought that "old Hag" experiences only happened if you slept on your back and I was on my side - almost on my stomach. Through it all I felt no physical pain and I feel no effects from it as I type this. I also do not feel that there was anything "sexual" about this attack.

I truly believe that sharing negative things like this with others takes away it's power (like lighting a candle in the dark).. you only truly "suffer" in silence.

Thank you all for being my candle..

Clarity, sounds similar to what happened to me.

One question though: When you are exiting a lucid or non-lucid dream into SP, can you use that as a cue to induce another dream? Or, for future reference, should I just wait and wait and not move, and attempt either a FILD or DEILD...

Thanks for the responses everyone, keeps motivating me to get better at this!

SP is great for attempting DEILD, if I remember correctly.

Originally Posted by HockeyIsLife

Clarity, sounds similar to what happened to me.

One question though: When you are exiting a lucid or non-lucid dream into SP, can you use that as a cue to induce another dream? Or, for future reference, should I just wait and wait and not move, and attempt either a FILD or DEILD...

I wish I could provide you with an answer but, sadly, once I exit a lucid or non-lucid dream, I've yet to be able to slip into another lucid. I am only successfully with WILDS.. I have yet to have a lucid dream with either FILD or DEILD.
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That old hag thing is interesting. I never heard of it before, and I dont think i've ever experienced sleep paralysis either but when I was little sometimes I almost slept on my stomach and when I woke up I couldn't move or open my eyes but I couldn't breath and it was really scary, so I never slept on my stomach.

Originally Posted by HockeyIsLife

Many words...

I've once had a normal-dream, where this character walked up to me and said "My energy is feeling evil today!" I was sorta like "What does he mean?" I then asked him to channel some of his energy into me. So, I got some of the evil energy inside me, and it was like I got exhausted. You know, when you get chocked by something, that feeling in your chest, I got it in my whole body. It was hot and cold at the same time, it felt very dark, but it gave me a picture of pure white.
Then I bend over, and got up again, and it was over.

That was a weird experience. I've also tried where pure-evil is talking to me. Once, I woke up in the night, and I was just crying. I was extremely scared, not paranoid, but scared. My mom got in, and asked why I was crying, and I couldn't answer. I was just there, scared as hell.
When I woke up in the morning, I barely remembered it. Weird :p

Dude , if you play that game of the monster, thats pure mind stuff.
though my brother sometimes has dreams of being in the darkness and some low creepy voice calls him slowly "wolter...........wolteeer......wooooolteeeeee r.."
and that

Dude, I know EXACTLY what you're talking about. That voice?

When I was WILDing once, I got freaked out and tried to scream. My words came out in this really slow way, like dripping molasses. When I stopped talking, the 'words' I had said became an entity of their own, and my 'voice' was just sort of oozing around me, making these horrible, evil sounds.

I can do WILD just fine, but it really scares the shit out of me. Anyone have advice on how to get over that?

WILD doesn't scare me it's just SP that scares me... >_>

Originally Posted by MrXcitement

I can do WILD just fine, but it really scares the shit out of me. Anyone have advice on how to get over that?

Before each WILD attempt, I mentally repeat the following protection mantra: "My mind, my body, my soul and my spirit are protected by pure white light. May only those of pure white light come near me, may only those of pure white light touch me."

I do realize that some feel that there is nothing that can harm you astrally.. but this mantra comforts me, and per my posting earlier in this thread, repeating mentally the words, "I am protected by pure white light" caused my "attack" to stop.
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Originally Posted by MrXcitement

When I was WILDing once, I got freaked out and tried to scream. My words came out in this really slow way, like dripping molasses. When I stopped talking, the 'words' I had said became an entity of their own, and my 'voice' was just sort of oozing around me, making these horrible, evil sounds.

I didn't want to mention this, as it's a little out there, but these entities, and especially that description there, sound a lot like the Elementals described in Theosophy. These so called elementals are just strong thought forms.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

I didn't want to mention this, as it's a little out there, but these entities, and especially that description there, sound a lot like the Elementals described in Theosophy. These so called elementals are just strong thought forms.

Strong thought forms huh? I remember a one lady I asked said that it was you trying to get back into your body. Or something to that effect.

There's more too it, but it's a difficult read, and I really don't feel like trying to explain it.