Thread: would it be a sin?

Nobody tell any major religions about Lucid Dreaming, and we won't have any problems, will we?

Seriously though, I don't foresee this ever becoming a problem. Suppose you did break a rule of your religion in a dream. What are you going to do? That's going to be a lovely confession: "Uhm, I'd like a penance because I killed someone in a dream."

Acting violently in an imaginary world, whether a lucid dream or a video game, does not mean that you love or endorse violence. All you're doing is placing yourself into an imaginary violent scene as a mental exercise or recreational activity. As I stated in my first post, judge yourself by your actions and not your thoughts -- your thoughts only matter if they influence your actions, and they won't if your violent thoughts only exist in the context of the imaginary world. If you believe that God gives you freedom of thought but won't tolerate violent thoughts, yet he instructs you to slaughter homosexuals, then please change your beliefs.

Originally Posted by dsr

Lonewolf, killing someone in an LD doesn't mean you love violence. Does playing Grand Theft Auto (or any video game rated T or M, for that matter) doom you to hell?

it might not necessarily doom you to hell, but some christians dont let their kids play that because they would consider it a sin... or maybe just because they dont think it's good for their minds, i dont know

Originally Posted by MoD

It teaches you to love your neighbour but also tells you to kill homosexuals

I've never read in the bible or heard about any teachings in the bible that say "kill homosexuals"

Originally Posted by a_pirates_life_for_me

I've never read in the bible or heard about any teachings in the bible that say "kill homosexuals"

It was part of the Law in the Old Testament I think. If you were caught doing a homosexual act the Law said you would have to be put to death. Somehow people want to believe the Bible is "wrong" and "evil" so they take that and say that the Bible says "kill homosexuals". But actually it doesn't say anything about "homosexuals", because no one was really homosexual. It wasn't something you were, just something you did. And if you did do it, you were to be put to death. Also, the law doesn't apply today, because it was a law for Moses or whoever to follow for his people. But it is still a sin.

So I'm a sinning by being a bisexual?

Damn, that sucks

Don't really get into religion to much myself but its hardly a sin if your acting it out in your mind, its only what you call "a sin" if you were to do it in real life. I don't believe theres such thing as sin.

Lol at Marvo, seriously dude, you ever considered stand up?

What do you mean?

I was assuming it was a witty reply, i am right in thinking they are intentional, if not then i am incredibly sorry.

Originally Posted by Jeremysr

But actually it doesn't say anything about "homosexuals", because no one was really homosexual. It wasn't something you were, just something you did.

Then when did homosexuality come into existence? (And please don't say that it doesn't exist in the present but is rather a choice certain people make to be different. If that's you're argument, let me inform you that individuals of many other animal species exhibit homosexuality.

Originally Posted by Lucid Seeker

I was assuming it was a witty reply, i am right in thinking they are intentional, if not then i am incredibly sorry.

Well, I am a bisexual, but the sin thing was just a joke :p

Good, the sin part is what i meant.

I read that there are african cultures that practice LDs just like buddists and that both dreams and LDs that envolve violence are taken into deep consideration and if it envolves violence to someone in their clan or village they are told to ask for forgiveness. thats crazy why cant western cultures appreciate dreams like that?

Originally Posted by SEBSTER

I read that there are african cultures that practice LDs just like buddists and that both dreams and LDs that envolve violence are taken into deep consideration and if it envolves violence to someone in their clan or village they are told to ask for forgiveness.

Wow, I owe a lot of apologies. Actually trying to do that would turn out like that show "My Name is Earl".

haha yeah me too.

If you believe that God gives you freedom of thought but won't tolerate violent thoughts, yet he instructs you to slaughter homosexuals, then please change your beliefs.- From dsr

To sidenote: Homosexuality is condemned yes but when the say kill a homosexual they do not mean the person they mean the sin. Kill a Liar means Kill Your Need To Lie. Kill a Homo means Kill your Homosexual Tendencies. Theres a saying in Christianity "Love the sinner, Not the Sin"

But you should work on improving your mind and body. I am not a perfectionist but I am humble and you should humble yourself to the power of your own mind. To be honest its between you and god if doing a lustful act is really a sin in your dreams. I guess I am pulling my own beliefs into it to Philosophize: "If I said it was wrong b/c religion said so an athiest might say to be unbaised and he will bring in his views and say its up to you. So I cant say do it but I cant say dont do it..." So dont bother thinking about it and move on.

OR

"They say when faced with temptation to chose the lesser of two evils. So instead of raping why not just take advantage of a passive and naive person that person would be the person you wanted to rape." I mean thats if the temptation is strong enough to make you do that.

Originally Posted by Jimbo9889

To sidenote: Homosexuality is condemned yes but when the say kill a homosexual they do not mean the person they mean the sin. Kill a Liar means Kill Your Need To Lie. Kill a Homo means Kill your Homosexual Tendencies.

I'm not so sure you're right:

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
--Leviticus 20:13

I think that "put to death" is a bit different from "get rid of the homosexual tendencies that a homosexual might naturally have." But that's just me. :p

I think this question all makes no sense.
Becuase it is all personal opinion to decide if something is a sin to you.


Its up to you to decide whether what your doing is right or wrong and justified or not.
If you think its only a dream and its okay, then go for it.
If you think its wrong to do it in a dream, don't do it.

I myself have no problem in doing something bad while lucid dreaming.
My philosophy, LD's are for your enjoyment, its not like the 'Dream Police' are going to lock you up.
So what the hell do you have to loose?
Its not real life, so you haven't hurt any real people.
And if no one is hurt, then its okay for me.

Like Psylis said, if you kill people in a video game it's not considered a sin (or atleast many would not considere it to be). And I'm pretty much just repeating what others have said-
If you feel bad doing it in a dream, then in my opinion- don't do it. Even when I'm not in control of my dreams and my dream self does something bad to a person (depending on the person ), I'll a bit feel bad upon waking up. Dreams gives up deeper emotions because they are "real" when we experience them. Video games are not real and would normaly not gives us the same feelings.

On the note of video games, if you read my last post, it all goes back to one's thoughts. I enjoy violent video games from time to time (though not overly gory), but it's not something that I dwell on. I've watched TV shows enough to have them constantly on my mind and that's what I consider a danger. If you play video games too much, they can take the place of things that are really important. Consider this:

"Close your eyes. What do you see? That is where you are."

I watched a show to such an extent that unless I consciously decided to think of something else, those characters would just pop right into my head. I'd close my eyes and images would be right there. Therein lay the problem. You devote yourself to something and it begins to control you. Does this apply to everyone or everything? No, but it's something that does happen.

Ultimately I stand by my decision: if you have a choice, you choose to sin or not to sin.

Originally Posted by Marvo

So I'm a sinning by being a bisexual?

some religions would believe that, yes, but others probably would be fine with it

Originally Posted by Marvo

So I'm a sinning by being a bisexual?

Damn, that sucks

I don't think you are sinning by being bisexual, but when you do something wrong, bisexually, you are sinning and that's wrong. The reason is, God didn't design us to be bisexual and we are going against God by doing things he didn't design us to do.

Originally Posted by Tempo

If you feel bad doing it in a dream, then in my opinion- don't do it. Even when I'm not in control of my dreams and my dream self does something bad to a person (depending on the person ), I'll a bit feel bad upon waking up. Dreams gives up deeper emotions because they are "real" when we experience them. Video games are not real and would normaly not gives us the same feelings.

I agree with every word of that. Personally, I don't do things in dreams (purposely) that I'm morally opposed to. And when things I feel strongly against happen unintentionally in a dream, it does affect me somewhat. Just as positive dreams have positive effects.

But, to say that dream activities can be considered "sins", as some people are saying, well, I just don't buy it.

Originally Posted by Jeremysr

I don't think you are sinning by being bisexual, but when you do something wrong, bisexually, you are sinning and that's wrong. The reason is, God didn't design us to be bisexual and we are going against God by doing things he didn't design us to do.

I think if I were God I would leap at the chance to see my creations doing new and interesting things, not just the same old stuff all the time. In addition what right has anyone to care about what two people do together in private, and call it a 'sin'?! Do bisexuals deserve an eternity of torture? Hell no! (no pun intended)
Call me communist if you will, but there it is.

EDIT:
Bisexual - read "person who does bad things in lucid dreams (etc.)"
It basically works out as the same argument.
So, no it's not a sin.