Thread: if LDing is real then what about. . .

I wasn't asking in the sense of OMG I WANNA PROVE THIS TO YOU!!!!111ONE

But more like, Gosh, nothing is gonna prove this to him. I wonder what would even do it.

See the difference?

Originally Posted by magicdood;457119[B

We are energy. Matter is made up of and is energy. That is believed by scientist. WE ARE ENERGY. Proven scientifically. [/B]

You got it wrong.


An atom, is a construction of 2 different particles, neutrons and protons. They stick together in the core. Around the atom, electrons are flying, at enourmous speed.

Now, if we break down an atom, we get neutrons, protons and electrons. These truly are energy, but if we go deeper, we find Hadrons, they are made of Quarks and Gluons. There is also Lepton, they form the electrons.

Leptons and Quarks are the basic elementar particles of the universe. They are what everything is made of, supported by the 4 main forces, Electromagnetism, Weak Interaction, Strong Interaction and Gravity.


This is what the universe consists of. All and everything is made of Quarks, Leptons and gluones (to keep stuff together).

And these are not energy, they are raw matter.

I compare LDing to Magic Eye art. Either you've seen it for yourself and you know it's real or you haven't and you secretly suspect that everyone is just trying to pull a fast one on you, or pretending to see the image. Like the kid in school who "got high" when you smoked him the tea leaves.



I've got a heart on for you.

Originally Posted by Marvo

You got it wrong.


An atom, is a construction of 2 different particles, neutrons and protons. They stick together in the core. Around the atom, electrons are flying, at enourmous speed.

Now, if we break down an atom, we get neutrons, protons and electrons. These truly are energy, but if we go deeper, we find Hadrons, they are made of Quarks and Gluons. There is also Lepton, they form the electrons.

Leptons and Quarks are the basic elementar particles of the universe. They are what everything is made of, supported by the 4 main forces, Electromagnetism, Weak Interaction, Strong Interaction and Gravity.


This is what the universe consists of. All and everything is made of Quarks, Leptons and gluones (to keep stuff together).

And these are not energy, they are raw matter.

You are incorrect, but you mean well. Your definition is the gluon is "layman's" at its best - gravity and electromagnetism of course "keep stuff together" as well. And you forgot the other gauge bosons (photons being the most obvious of course!). We don't really need a re-iteration of the Standard Model anyway, but hey! I linked it anyway.

And there is energy in the universe? How can there not be.

And I still hold firm to the idea of ki as a disciplinary and visualisation exercise only. We don't see martial artists flinging fireballs around, at least outide of Street Fighter.

Hadoken!

Originally Posted by The Wig

No, we're matter bodies, not energy bodies initially. When we die what's left is matter, not energy so all the atoms break apart and float...and stuff.

Once again, matter is not energy. We are made up of matter, not energy although at some times we produce energy.



Stop going from trying to talk sense into us into insulting us.



I love how you believe in Psi and that crap but don't believe in alternate universes...WHICH HAS A BASIS IN SCIENCE! Repeat with me: quantum mechanics.



Does any other psychic have stuff to add or is it all just "I believe in psychics 'cause I can do it and I don't care who believes me!"?

We're definitely energy bodies.

*And I refuse to prove it as all the information in the world is avaliable at google.com

BAM- Couldn't agree more! We are most definitely made of energy, just like everything else.

Originally Posted by TheUniversalOne

We're definitely energy bodies.

*And I refuse to prove it as all the information in the world is avaliable at google.com

Refusing to prove something is practically equivalent to it not being true. You can't just make claims and not attempt to back it up. So prove it.

As for magicdood, don't know what you're "BAM"ing about - you just claimed matter was the same exact thing as energy. o_O

They are made up of the same things so therefore we are energy.

And no, refusing to back something up is not the same as it being false. It's the same as being fucking annoyed at people who can't do some simple research. If you did, you would understand that what THEuniversalone said is true.

Hardly a contradiction, Lucid Dreaming is to be conciously aware while your body is still asleep.

i know with absolute certainty that OBE experiences are real... i have a close family member that used to have them.. he could go anywhere he wanted.. do anything... talk with people in other continents... see visions.. but hes put all that behind him b/c he felt that it wasnt something that should be messed with... as to say something that we arent supposed to be able to do.. (he had other reasons for leaving it behind)... i however am tring to LD and when will decide for myself when i have a personal experience

Originally Posted by trigotron

The reason astral could detect the truck before he looked at it, i hypothesize is because he sensed the overpressure in front of the truck (quite larger and more noticeable than that of a car) and therefore hesitated before stepping.

But, couldn't it be as simple as the fact that a big truck racing towards him would make noise? He'd have to hear the sound. Secondly, couldn't it be as simple as him thinking "Oh sh!t, what am I doing walking out into the street without even looking first? Foolish me. Woah! there was a truck coming; damn good thing I remembered to look before I got myself killed."

Originally Posted by skysaw

Not to mention, it would be nice to see some numbers taken more recently than 1979! The seventies were the heyday of ESP belief. I'm sure popular opinion has swung much the other way in the past 30 years.

Exactly, remember the great scammer, Uri Geller? He had the world fooled. Even after being exposed as a complete fraud, many people still refused to accept that he was doing magic tricks and not really using "mental powers" to perform his "amazing feats".

Originally Posted by magicdood

Oneironaught- I am not trying to force anyone to believe anything and it is becoming frustrating how you keep accusing me of such.

Ok, what the hell are you talking about? I never said you're trying to force any one to believe anything. YOU said "I don't wanna "force" anyone to believe in this" and I responded by saying "If you were to show others this amazing skill of yours then there'd be no need at all to "force" any one to believe it because facts speak for themselves".

In other words, "forcing" has nothing to do with it. All you'd have to do is demonstrate this power and you'd have the world groveling at your feet.

Secondly, just because I cannot prove this stuff to you does not mean I'm a fake.

No, the fact that you cannot prove it means nothing. But, given how many people throughout the ages have claimed these outstanding magical abilities - TRYING to gain fame from them - the fact that NO ONE has EVER proven them to be actual powers (and not simply deception) tells any one with a logical mind that it's complete, utter bullsh!t.

There's been a $1 million Dollar prize - to be collected by ANYONE who can prove the existence of true psi powers - up for grabs for many years now. But guess what? Not a single person has claimed the booty. And why is that, I ask? I'll tell you: because every single person who's ever claimed to have such abilities has been unable to demonstrate these powers under any kinds of real scrutiny.

Science requires things to be able to hold up under scrutiny. If things don't meet such basic requirements then one must conclude the claimer to be full of sh!t.

You can move things with your mind? Fine, prove it or shut the hell up. That's the way the real world works.

It hasn't been proven NOR disproven. Provide me evidence that psionics has been disproven.

Oh no you don't. The burden of proof is on your shoulders, not mine. If some one tells me that they have the ability to move things with their mind yet, are unable to demonstrate this talent then they are, by default, to be considered dishonest. Why would the task of disproving be on my shoulders when you're the one making extraordinary claims?

Remember, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. No proof? No dice.

I mean, you sit here telling me so confidently that it is not real, but what have you done to accept that theory.

No, I'm telling you that you are claiming the very same thing that many others have claimed. And, like many before you, you refuse to prove your "abilities" because you can't. Do you really believe that the hundreds of thousands of people who've claimed these abilities all wanted to conceal their "powers" at the same time they are claiming to have such powers? That's absolutely absurd, to say the very least.

Sorry but, your claims hold no water until you show the goods.

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

But, couldn't it be as simple as the fact that a big truck racing towards him would make noise? He'd have to hear the sound. Secondly, couldn't it be as simple as him thinking "Oh sh!t, what am I doing walking out into the street without even looking first? Foolish me. Woah! there was a truck coming; damn good thing I remembered to look before I got myself killed."

Yes i considered that, however, for him to have heard it would mean that his entire story would be a complete fraud, there had to be something about the situation that made it seem extraordinary. After all, the sound of a truck coming is no more than that of really any other car coming on a busy street corner, he could have been not paying attention, but for him to believe so strongly what he felt was ESP, i highly doubt it was based on noise... or you're right, he's lying, he stepped into the street, the truck honked at him, he recoiled and is making this whole story about him suddenly believing in an outside force up. I like to believe what people saw, and dispute the reasons behind it, whereas your most recent quote was simply disputing what they saw. I believe this is counterproductive, it is better to attack ignorance than to attack people for what they cannot explain.

Originally Posted by trigotron

Yes i considered that, however, for him to have heard it would mean that his entire story would be a complete fraud, there had to be something about the situation that made it seem extraordinary. After all, the sound of a truck coming is no more than that of really any other car coming on a busy street corner, he could have been not paying attention, but for him to believe so strongly what he felt was ESP, i highly doubt it was based on noise... or you're right, he's lying, he stepped into the street, the truck honked at him, he recoiled and is making this whole story about him suddenly believing in an outside force up. I like to believe what people saw, and dispute the reasons behind it, whereas your most recent quote was simply disputing what they saw. I believe this is counterproductive, it is better to attack ignorance than to attack people for what they cannot explain.

That's interesting. You're claiming a possible explanation to be that he subconsciously felt a pressure change and I suggest that he subconsciously heard the sound. Yet, somehow, your explanation is acceptable and mine is just trying to be argumentative? Ok, whatever.

..............people wake up! we cannot proof something that cannot be seen. And yet it vibrates all around us does that mean it doesn't exist? LOL

Seriously theres no point on arguing with closed minded people. Know your self, know the truth. Keep an eye on everything..and see the truth.

We cannot explain something that doesn't follow our scientific calculations! never heard that? LOL math isn't perfect, such as we aint perfect that doesn't mean we are stupid right?

Did we come to this life just to uncover psychic abilities? and use it against us as we did on Weapons and atomic bombs? gosh...
Reality is something that we will never understand..it has no shape nor even colors and yet we percieve it in full in color.
Oobe or LD's real or not real? who cares? no one has a profit out of it so why bother explaining its existance?