Thread: Dream Purists

It's the reason people invented Remote Controls. They don't want to get up to change the channel. Same with Lucid dreaming, they'll LD when they invent the Dream headset or something.

Honestly, I think a lot of them have trouble coping with the fact that they have a hard time getting LD's, so they try to explain it away as such. If they LD'd consistently, they would know that there is not much "work" invovled with being lucid. You can decide to just sit back and watch, if you want. But, being unexperienced, they think it's a lot more work than it is, so they make excuses as to why the won't (can't) do it.

It's not like your "random and new" dreams go away once you start LDing. They're still there, you don't have to go for an LD every night.

Originally Posted by HakktHazard

It's not like your "random and new" dreams go away once you start LDing. They're still there, you don't have to go for an LD every night.

Isn't life random and new enough?

Anyway, some people say that they like the reactions that sprout from unawareness. Lucidity takes out the surprise for them, or maybe the happiness.

"If I had a dream I won the lottery, I wouldn't want to realize it's a dream!"

... Why not? You'll just wake up disappointed. You could've used that dream time for (insert fun goal here). Then, there's

"Dreams are a product of the subconscious. They are meant to tell us things."

Not only would lucid dreaming require you to pay attention to all of your dreams (more than a non-lucid dreamer does, no doubt!), but the subconscious can say whatever it wants, lucid or not.

Being lucid doesn't necessarily mean you suddenly can control your dreams. Heck, in some lucids you can't even control yourself! Lucidity just means you know that you're dreaming. What you do after you attain that knowledge is up to you.

The ones who refuse to lucid dream are either closed-minded, ignorant, or uninterested. Most are the third kind. The first two would probably be for extreme "dream purists," I suppose.

I personally think it's due to laziness. Like Drasnus said, if someone invented a lucid dream headset more people would do it. Oh, and then there's the issue of 'gotta have it now'. Today's society is obsessed with getting what they want as quickly as possible. If someone doesn't lucid dream right away they just give up and move onto something more instantly gratifying.

I think there are several reasons for this.

Lucid Dreaming has picked up a tainted name in many circles. Many religions and faiths look at it as an occult practice. Its embrace by the "New Age" culture has made it seem like a mystical practice even outside of religious circles.

Lucid Dreaming is almost impossible to believe until it is experienced. I knew it was real because I experienced it as a child, but few have that advantage. Until you know the truth of it through experience, it is a pretty fantastic thing to grasp.

Lucid Dreaming is a discipline. Here I agree with much of what's already been said. It is no different than learning to play an instrument or learn to draw - it takes patience and dedication to accomplish, and a person has to be willing to live with failure for a while in most cases before finding success.

Finally, there are people who just don't have happy dream lives and are worried about what might happen if they "screw it up" any more than it already is. My wifeling is unfortunately in this category.

I've known someone in high school who was really afraid of lucid dreaming because he felt it was unnatural to have so much power anywhere.

Others at that high school thought only "witches" could lucid dream, that demons would possess them as they slept, or that they wouldn't be able to wake up. I think all of that could be categorized as fear of the unknown.

Originally Posted by orange_entity

I've known someone in high school who was really afraid of lucid dreaming because he felt it was unnatural to have so much power anywhere.

Others at that high school thought only "witches" could lucid dream, that demons would possess them as they slept, or that they wouldn't be able to wake up. I think all of that could be categorized as fear of the unknown.

Jeeze! Where the hell did you go to school?

Originally Posted by WhiteVeins

Jeeze! Where the hell did you go to school?

Agreed. Demons? Witches? One word: wow

Here's another theory. Maybe some people are just plain, not interested in LDing.

Originally Posted by Michael

Here's another theory. Maybe some people are just plain, not interested in LDing.

Not interested in total control of an entire reality?

I know, stupid people! But my parents aren't interested at all, same with my bros...

Originally Posted by Michael

I know, stupid people! But my parents aren't interested at all, same with my bros...

Have you asked them why? Tell them the possibilities, and ask them why they wouldn't want to give it a shot!

It is pretty obvious why - it is not real, it dosent last long, and some people would have like 2 dreams in a month, so there is no reason to think about this every day for two days, and they wouldnt have time for wild/wbtb and that kind of stuff.

"It is pretty obvious why - it is not real, it dosent last long, and some people would have like 2 dreams in a month, so there is no reason to think about this every day for two days, and they wouldnt have time for wild/wbtb and that kind of stuff."

It IS real. My mom uses this logic - "it's not real, so what's the point?"

Movies are real. They are actual pictures and sounds. Although the things that the lights and sounds are pretending to be (the characters in the movie, for example) do not really exist, the sounds and lights which make them up DO. In very much the same way, although nothing in your dream is technically 'real', the sensory experiences you get from observing them are as real as the ones in waking life.

People don't refuse to read books or watch movies or play games because they 'aren't real', so I fail to see how this philosophy could apply to dreams.

People who use this reasoning have clearly not experienced a truly lucid dream.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

"It is pretty obvious why - it is not real, it dosent last long, and some people would have like 2 dreams in a month, so there is no reason to think about this every day for two days, and they wouldnt have time for wild/wbtb and that kind of stuff."

It IS real. My mom uses this logic - "it's not real, so what's the point?"

Movies are real. They are actual pictures and sounds. Although the things that the lights and sounds are pretending to be (the characters in the movie, for example) do not really exist, the sounds and lights which make them up DO. In very much the same way, although nothing in your dream is technically 'real', the sensory experiences you get from observing them are as real as the ones in waking life.

People don't refuse to read books or watch movies or play games because they 'aren't real', so I fail to see how this philosophy could apply to dreams.

People who use this reasoning have clearly not experienced a truly lucid dream.

Movie is easier to watch, and it last longer than a dream, also u can watch movie whenever you want, but a LD, you can be lucky if u have one in a week. Well i am into Lucid dreams, but i pretty much understand why other people arent.(and this lucid dream thing it is not popular in my country, i dont know any one other that knows even the word lucid (well i dont even know how to translate lucid dream into my language either)..

Originally Posted by thegnome54

"It is pretty obvious why - it is not real, it dosent last long, and some people would have like 2 dreams in a month, so there is no reason to think about this every day for two days, and they wouldnt have time for wild/wbtb and that kind of stuff."

It IS real. My mom uses this logic - "it's not real, so what's the point?"

Movies are real. They are actual pictures and sounds. Although the things that the lights and sounds are pretending to be (the characters in the movie, for example) do not really exist, the sounds and lights which make them up DO. In very much the same way, although nothing in your dream is technically 'real', the sensory experiences you get from observing them are as real as the ones in waking life.

People don't refuse to read books or watch movies or play games because they 'aren't real', so I fail to see how this philosophy could apply to dreams.

People who use this reasoning have clearly not experienced a truly lucid dream.

Bravo! well said. I see lucid dreaming like a roller coaster ride: it's very short, but extremely fun. Lds are harder to get, but in exchange you have full control, not just a predetermined track you have to follow. Of course it's not real, but that doesn't make it less enjoyable.

I think that when people argue that lds are not real they're thinking of dreams where something happens to you that you'll enjoy on the long run, like winning the lottery. That sucks when you wake up because everything you bought dissappears along with your dream. Flying however provides a sense of freedom that you enjoy in the ld and the feeling sticks with you all day long.

my g/f sudenly became interested and looking it up behind my back....
she loves it now but i told her that it wasnt anywork she didnt beleive until she had one

I've talked to many people I know whom I've shared my keen interest in lucid dreaming with. No matter how detailed and excited I get, they are not interested. I don't understand this either. I've TRIED to lucid dream before, but I usually get frustrated because I try and try and eventually, I realize that I'm not going to get enough sleep for the next day.
I think it's because the majority of people DO NOT think anything of a dream. It's just a little flit of life that happens, like a hiccup. Little do they know!
If people understood the power of a dream, I think they would pay more attention.

I talked to my mom about it today, cause I had my first LD last night. (It was amazing)

She didn't seem very interested at all. She was a little bit at some parts, but like the concept of it just didn't seem to appeal to her. I don't know why.

Also, I have a friend at school that I told about lucid dreaming, and she thinks I shouldnt mess with my dreams. She thinks even keeping a dream journal seems weird, and that I should just leave em alone.

There was already no chance of that, and after having my first LD, theres even less!

-blakkin

I think it's lame for people to claim that they are "dream purists" because they dont lucid dream. Ever since I started trying to LD I've had enough fun just recalling my dreams to keep me motivated.