Thread: Is lucidity really that good ?

Dreams are messages from your sub-concious mind to your concious mind, right ? So if they're that important and they're meant to tell your concious mind about something then why would you want to go lucid in your dreams because then you can just totally change the dream and the message will go unheard.

Please reply with your veiws as I'm deciding right now whether or not I want to learn the ability to go lucid because once you start sub-conciously looking for dream signs in the real world and the dream world it will be very hard to lose the ability of awarness in your dreams

First of all yes LUCIDITY IS THAT GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I understand what your saying though but when you are lucid your subconscious is able to get whatever message it is trying to get through to you easier. Even when you are lucid your sub-conscious is still doing it's thing. So you don't have to worry about the message going unheard.

If anything it increases your chances of getting the message.

Originally Posted by Dsouza

Dreams are messages from your sub-concious mind to your concious mind, right ? So if they're that important and they're meant to tell your concious mind about something then why would you want to go lucid in your dreams because then you can just totally change the dream and the message will go unheard.

Please reply with your veiws as I'm deciding right now whether or not I want to learn the ability to go lucid because once you start sub-conciously looking for dream signs in the real world and the dream world it will be very hard to lose the ability of awarness in your dreams

Hey Dsouza.
Hmm, i kind of disagree that dreams are "messages" from you subconscious to your conscious mind. Dreams are just the product of your brain clearing itself up at night. It's quite true that you can learn more about yourself from dreams..but i wouldn't put it as you did.
Becoming Lucid will most likely happen less than once a week, probably even once a month, and in that time you would have had hundreds of dreams, therefore i don't think it's going to do too much damage.
Also, most of our dreams go unremembered anyway, in which case the "messages" would be lost, regardless of whether we stay away from lucid dreams.
Well, that's my view anyway
And to answer your topic title, yes, lucidity really is that good

Part of learning to LD is improving your dream recall. This makes all your 'normal' dreams much more vivid, you remember them better, study them more critically, and recall multiple dreams every night.

Like LD Master says, lucid dreams are still heavily influenced by your subconscious. Think of it as a normal wacky dream where you have the ability to think critically, and act of your own free will. It gives you the opportunity to really experience your dreams more fully, so any message will come through even better.

And hell yes! Lucidity is that good.

Yes, Lucid dreaming is the ultimate high!
I would also like to mention, that just because you are Lucid does not mean you have to change anything. If you just want to observe your dream to interpret it. You can do that from within the dream itself. It can be quite fascinating just observing things that are going on in your dreams.

Originally Posted by Dsouza

Dreams are messages from your sub-concious mind to your concious mind, right ?

That's purely an unsubstantiated theory put about by people who can't prove it one way or another. Nobody knows. It just seems to be fashionable here on this forum to believe such things, with no fact-based backup at all.

Originally Posted by Oneiro

That's purely an unsubstantiated theory put about by people who can't prove it one way or another. Nobody knows. It just seems to be fashionable here on this forum to believe such things, with no fact-based backup at all.

Well...at least a person can study their own dreams. And come to their own conclusion about such things. Without the need for other peoples facts or proofs.

Originally Posted by Caradon

Well...at least a person can study their own dreams. And come to their own conclusion about such things. Without the need for other peoples facts or proofs.

Well, if you say so.. but I see very little evidence of that on this forum. Most of the people here just seem content to play childish video game-type "LD" scenarios, without any urge to "study" as you put it.

So.. are you any good at LDing? Because if so, I've got a challenge for you: next time you have the control and memory in an LD, try asking your DCs if they are figments of your imagination.. I predict that it won't matter what your "opinion" about it is.. it won't affect their answer..

.. and if you can't do that, try searching this forum for the very few people who have already done this, and prepare for a shock..

It doesn't actually matter what you believe dreams to be. Even the most 'lucid' of 'lucid dreams' are 99% non-consciously determined, at least!

-Redrivertears-

Originally Posted by Oneiro

Well, if you say so.. but I see very little evidence of that on this forum. Most of the people here just seem content to play childish video game-type "LD" scenarios, without any urge to "study" as you put it.

So.. are you any good at LDing? Because if so, I've got a challenge for you: next time you have the control and memory in an LD, try asking your DCs if they are figments of your imagination.. I predict that it won't matter what your "opinion" about it is.. it won't affect their answer..

.. and if you can't do that, try searching this forum for the very few people who have already done this, and prepare for a shock..

LOL! Sounds like you have some issues. I couldn't care less either way. like I said, that's for the individual to decide on their own.

Originally Posted by Caradon

I could care less either way.

Couldn't care less.

Originally Posted by Caradon

LOL! Sounds like you have some issues. I couldn't care less either way. like I said, that's for the individual to decide on their own.

The only issues I have are with bullshit.

"I couldn't care less.." So much for your penchant for "study". What a pile of shite.

Originally Posted by Oneiro

That's purely an unsubstantiated theory put about by people who can't prove it one way or another. Nobody knows. It just seems to be fashionable here on this forum to believe such things, with no fact-based backup at all.

There are too many criticizable flaws in such a short paragraph. It's just too vague and unfundamented. So please don't talk so fast, if your knowledge in the subject is so limited, that it reaches prejudice.

Originally Posted by polmc

There are too many criticizable flaws in such a short paragraph. It's just too vague and unfundamented. So please don't talk so fast, if your knowledge in the subject is so limited, that it reaches prejudice.

Did your LDing process teach you how to talk out of your arse? You do it well..

Originally Posted by Oneiro

Did your LDing process teach you how to talk out of your arse? You do it well..

If this is a about my spelling/english, then I agree because Im not a native speaker and I tend to write with many mistakes...

but if you're saying that because of what I replied to your post, then it means you have no argments, hence you rely on these 'clever' statements to defend yourself...

Whose the LD master?

Originally Posted by Oneiro

That's purely an unsubstantiated theory put about by people who can't prove it one way or another. Nobody knows. It just seems to be fashionable here on this forum to believe such things, with no fact-based backup at all.

what are messages anyway? sort of a debatable term no?

Originally Posted by Dsouza

Dreams are messages from your sub-concious mind to your concious mind, right ? So if they're that important and they're meant to tell your concious mind about something then why would you want to go lucid in your dreams because then you can just totally change the dream and the message will go unheard.

Please reply with your veiws as I'm deciding right now whether or not I want to learn the ability to go lucid because once you start sub-conciously looking for dream signs in the real world and the dream world it will be very hard to lose the ability of awarness in your dreams

You see, even if you LD everynight, you still have enough 'normal' dreams for you 'subconscius' express himself, unless you LD for 3 or 4 hours per night, which I doubt

First of all, it is only a theory that dreams are messages from the subconscious. It is not proven, and there are other theories which are just as possible.
and even if has some truth, it may be true for only some of the dreams, while the rest are quite random.

Secondly, you don't have to change a lucid dream, you can continue the dream as normal, and the only thing that change is that you have a much higher awareness of what is going on, and are able to remember the dream much better. In that respect LD are a better way to learn about your mind. You can also question dream characters directly, and view finer details.
You can even interpret the dream as you are experiencing it, with the advantage that you don't need to try to vaguely remember the dream after waking up.

In normal dreams we like behave and think as if we are heavily intoxicated. In an LD your mind can be clear and, well, lucid, which is a much better state to explore your consciousness.

Originally Posted by Dsouza

Dreams are messages from your sub-concious mind to your concious mind, right ? So if they're that important and they're meant to tell your concious mind about something then why would you want to go lucid in your dreams because then you can just totally change the dream and the message will go unheard.

Please reply with your veiws as I'm deciding right now whether or not I want to learn the ability to go lucid because once you start sub-conciously looking for dream signs in the real world and the dream world it will be very hard to lose the ability of awarness in your dreams

On another thread I was talking to someone about participating in a dream's symbolism while lucid. If you're right, and I've wondered the same thing, I would bet there would still be a certain way to lucid dream that would still allow you to learn from the messages of dreaming, possibly even more so. Maqybe if you learn the language of your dreams, you could know how to react to what the dream environment throws at you.

I would bet lucid dreaming is something that should be done sparingly, like a psychedelic trip maybe. It definitely is not natural for most people.

Originally Posted by jamous

.. to lucid dream that would still allow you to learn from the messages of dreaming..

In my opinion there are no "messages" in LDing and no hidden meaning or symbolism.. it's all theory and all untrue.

Originally Posted by Oneiro

In my opinion there are no "messages" in LDing and no hidden meaning or symbolism.. it's all theory and all untrue.

I dunno about literal "messages" but there is definitely meaning in dreams.
The way your subconscious creates the dream environment can tell you alot about yourself. I dunno about many theories, it's just logical.

You ought to expand on what you're saying

It's awesome the first thousand or so times, then it just becomes another drug. Which is still awesome... it just loses its excitement, or something.

Everyone has probably said this but... yes. Lucidity really IS that good.

OK, everyone calmer now? I thought I'd step into the ring and put forth my two cents worth. BTW, some of the behavior in this thread has been noticed and discussed in the staff forum.

Dreams are such strange things. I'll let you in on a secret. NOBODY KNOWS EXACTLY WHY WE DREAM. That said, although we don't know all there is about it, we DO know a good many uses of dreams.

I've been studying sleep and dreams most of my 46 years on this earth, here are a few things I've learned:

Dreams DO carry messages from your subconcious.

Dreams help you sort out things you have learned and experiences you have had during the day.

Dreams are probably not messages from aliens.

You should not try to control all of your lucid dreams, instead, reserve at least half of them and just go with the flow. You can learn a lot more from your subconcious if you do so.

Lucid Dreaming is probably one of the most amazing things I have ever learned. It is a vehicle for exploration, knowledge, fun, and fantasy.

Lucid dreaming experience should not be compared with those that are chemically induced. A lucid deam is much closer to visions than trips.

In the end, it's all about balance. So, Please dream non lucidly, dream lucidly without control, and dream lucidly with control. Doing these three things will help keep you mentally healthy and happy!