Thread: am I evil???

Don't worry, I randomly try to do violant things in my (lucid) dreams too. It's nothing to worry about. You just like having the freedom to do such things, either that or your mind secretly does.

Yes you are

I've done some pretty bad things in lucid dreams, it's only a dream.

No, you are not.

LoL I noticed your sig that you stopped counting. I WILD to, everyone told me it was harder but on the first night I ever heard about lucid dreaming I attempted a WILD and was able to achieve sleep paralysis... you know, the jolting sensation? I was just laying there and BZZZT, I had a painless jolt of electricity and I cheered so loud I woke up my parents, lol. Anyway.

I too have done some of the most vile things a human being can do in their waking life. And if you met me people would say that I am the nicest person they ever met. I always pay for my friends if they don't have enough money. When my friends try to hook me up I always tell them the god honest truth. My pick up line is this, swear to god: "my friends sent me over here to try to get me laid so if you could just give me a repulsed look that would be awesome because to be honest I'm celibate and have no interest in getting in your pants, I just want to appear normal to my friends." I've made three friends doing this, good friends that is. I judge a good friend as one who calls me, and these three girls call me to talk, lol. Because I just honestly don't care. My friends come to me, I never call them or say "lets do this." I just drift along like a parasite that doesn't care about feeding.

I am completely honest too. My female friends ask me about my celibacy, and I tell them. "I'm not completely adverse to having sex with an attractive woman like your self, I won't turn you down if you make sexual advances. I just don't care about having sex." My male friends think it is some elaborate brilliant game I'm playing because I now am a part of three groups of friends and the amount of women I know on a first name basis has grown exponentially. I have more girls in my phone then any of my friends(dumbest competition ever), but only three of them call me. I may have lots of girls in my phone but I never, ever, call them... as I said, only three of them ever call me. I only call my male friends if there is a movie that *I* want to see and if I was being completely honest the only movies I ever want to see are anything involving the Frat Pack or Judd Apatow's pack... who usually do movies with the frat pack now so it's good. I should also note that my friends comments about my "celibacy" is that I'm putting a "bow tie on a piece of s***" They think celibate is just a fancy word for virgin. It is really hard to convey just how much I don't care about sex. They think I'm abnormal because that's all they care about. I miss the good old high school days where our primary concern was Magic the Gathering or MMORPGS... we still do that but the pursuit of women supersede that now... it is really petty. They actually keep track of all the girls that I sleep with, lol. I photocopied it and gave them to my girlfriends and they had a good ole laugh with it... especially because of the big fat blank next to my name.

There is another problem I have, I can't stay on topic. One of my girlfriends suggested I have OCD, ADD, or that I'm bipolar and it's the main reason I'm going to a psychiatrist... because if it affects my dreams I'll be crushed. The one thing I love in life is dreaming.

OMG I DID IT AGAIN, I"M SO SORRY.

I'll get back on topic... holy crap... I forgot the topic, no joke *scrolls down*

"Am I Evil"

No, you are not evil. As I've said, I did vile things too. My dreaming has gone through phases. First it was like all about amazing feats, flying, super powers, etc. Next was the sex stage that lasted a few months, my goal was to have sex, achieve orgasm, and not wake up... it was completed. This phase has turned my masturbation from three to four times a day to about one to four times a week... if I wanted to I probably could go through life without ever masturbating in my waking life again... I just do it because I'm bored, I sit around and say, "I'm bored, what could I do." Then came the reinactment stage... before I'd dream I'd suggest the setting and what I'd like to do and just sort of go with it. My first one was reliving my life making different decisions. Like going through life where I never gave up swimming and it was my main aspiration in life... I was on an olympic relay team with Michael Phelps, I beat his butterfly record. Another was with soccer... what would it be like if I never gave up. Or like what would my life have been like if I joined a band in highschool as say, oh "The Doors." LOL I know right, really stupid stuff. During this phase was where I really experimented with time dilation. I couldn't tell you how long it lasts because I never look at a clock but it seems like hours, days, weeks, months, years.

Which leads me to my current stage of just walking around and talking to whoever I run into. I'm not looking for anyone in particular, I just converse... it is the most fun I've had in my dreams and it has had the largest impact on my waking life... with my beliefs and what not. My turn from Christianity and Islam(long story), my practicing the ethic of reciprocity(aka 'the golden rule'), and my total nihilism when it comes to almost everything in my waking life.

You are not normal until your dreams have a major impact on your waking life... like they have done with mine... as soon as I see a shrink I'm going to fill everyone in then I am gone from this site. My last login before today was in March of this year... no last year, when I first found the site. I only come to this site when I have a problem with dreaming. Of course when I come back I help when I can, but not out of kindness but out of boredom. This post spawned out of boredom and I wish I could have timed how much of my 16 waking hours it took up.

It's why most of my posts are walls of text... my narcissism and boredom. This post should be about you and not me. To make up for it I will not address this post in this topic unless it is referring to you're question. I'm trying to change, I really am.

PS: I went to the bathroom when I finished this post and my mind wandered, I am not spell checking it.

Agreed, you're not evil. What is "evil" anyway? A point of view

@ Garlic; that was a really interesting read, i'm glad you posted all that

To answer that question I suppose you need to know what is what is the real "you"? Is it the flesh and bone person who walks around and needs to eat and go to the bathroom and stuff? Or is it your consciousness that resides in that meat body? If it's the former, then no, you're not evil. If it's the latter, then I suppose you need to ask why you're doing those terrible things. Do you genuinely enjoy it? Is the only reason you don't do it in real life because you would have to suffer the repercussions? Then yes, you are evil. If it's just because you know you're not really hurting anyone; if you would never do this in real life even if you had the chance to get away with it scott free, then no.

Guys, not to detract from your replies, but to say, "no you're not evil, I do the same thing," doesn't really help. Just because someone else does something, doesn't make it right. I know I'm stepping on toes here, but we have to accept the possibility that maybe these things are evil. I'm not saying I'm any better though. Soon as I'm able to hang onto lucidity long enough, me and Jessica Alba have a date with destiny. And we won't be drinking tea. Does that make me evil? I'm not sure. I'm married, so I think it might. Of course, I'm of the opinion that I'm more than just this meat body, and my mind is more than just mush and electrical signals.

These are deep questions, and as many forummers are here, that's how many opinions we'll have. It depends on your belief.

Eh. I have my views on this, but you won't like them. Whenever I am conscious, whether in a dream or in life, I abide by the same morals. Otherwise I am contradictory. Why would anyone want to do such things, anyway?

I don't know, but 'dark' lucid dreaming reminds me of original sin, the idea that humans are innately evil. People who kill in their lucid dreams, they still want it to happen. As realistically as possible, too.

If you're feeling guilty, I think it's safe to say that you're not violent.

Originally Posted by unseen wombat

To answer that question I suppose you need to know what is what is the real "you"? Is it the flesh and bone person who walks around and needs to eat and go to the bathroom and stuff? Or is it your consciousness that resides in that meat body? If it's the former, then no, you're not evil. If it's the latter, then I suppose you need to ask why you're doing those terrible things. Do you genuinely enjoy it? Is the only reason you don't do it in real life because you would have to suffer the repercussions? Then yes, you are evil. If it's just because you know you're not really hurting anyone; if you would never do this in real life even if you had the chance to get away with it scott free, then no.

Guys, not to detract from your replies, but to say, "no you're not evil, I do the same thing," doesn't really help. Just because someone else does something, doesn't make it right. I know I'm stepping on toes here, but we have to accept the possibility that maybe these things are evil. I'm not saying I'm any better though. Soon as I'm able to hang onto lucidity long enough, me and Jessica Alba have a date with destiny. And we won't be drinking tea. Does that make me evil? I'm not sure. I'm married, so I think it might. Of course, I'm of the opinion that I'm more than just this meat body, and my mind is more than just mush and electrical signals.

These are deep questions, and as many forummers are here, that's how many opinions we'll have. It depends on your belief.

Good and Evil, right and wrong, they are subjective terms. What is evil to one person is 'right' to another person. Society decides what good and evil is, individuals don't. If the majority believe something then it becomes true, reality is a social construct. Since in your dreams you are society YOU decide what is good and evil even though in the tangible realm society would perceive it as evil.

Having sex with Jessica Alba isn't evil if she is willing it is not evil and since it is only going on in your head who is to say it ever happened? In my opinion lucid dreaming is the best tool to stay 'faithful.' It has helped me personally come to accept being a virgin at 21 and being completely okay with it and also the reason I do not actively pursue having sex in the real world.

So killing people in your dreams and doing vile things is perfectly okay. In fact, doing it in real life is okay; you just have to be ready to deal with the consequences society has created for doing the evil things. I personally would never kill anyone because when ever I do something in real life I ask my self, "would I want someone to do that to me?"

Off Topic PS: My first celebrity I porked was Amy Smart and the weird thing is she wouldn't have been my first choice, she was just there and I did it

EDIT to respond to a previous post:

Originally Posted by Abra

Eh. I have my views on this, but you won't like them. Whenever I am conscious, whether in a dream or in life, I abide by the same morals. Otherwise I am contradictory. Why would anyone want to do such things, anyway?

I don't know, but 'dark' lucid dreaming reminds me of original sin, the idea that humans are innately evil. People who kill in their lucid dreams, they still want it to happen. As realistically as possible, too.

I commend you on doing that but they aren't the same. They are completely different worlds with different rules. Physics doesn't apply in a dream. You create the rules, you decide which is right... I'm going to quote one of my favorite albums, the album open and closes with this quote, it is actually a poem and I'm taking the lines out of context but it applies here... I'll link the lyrics if you want to read them in context, it is a great album by the way.

Cold hearted orb that rules the night,
Removes the colours from our sight,
Red is gray and yellow white,
But we decide which is right.
And which is an illusion?

We decide which is right, we being society. Society says red is red. But in your head you are the society. You decide everything. If you want to call red 'green' who is to tell you that you are wrong? Sure you are wrong in this realm but not in your dreams.

The real world is like a game of soccer, you have to use your feet, if you touch the ball you get penalized. In your dream you pick up the ball you only get penalized if you want to get penalized. At first you usually do get penalized though too because society has hard wired these beliefs into your head... I'm going to quote the Matrix here, and it is corny but applicable.

I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.

source for first quote: http://www.bobspixels.com/kaibab.org/moodies/mxdays.htm
the album is called Days of Future Passed and chronicles a day from when he awakes to when he falls asleep... It is a conceptual album and the first symphonic rock album ever

Originally Posted by Garlic

Good and Evil, right and wrong, they are subjective terms.

Regardless, all of us hold ourselves to some sort of standard. Some place very rigid restrictions on themselves, while others are lax and really don't care. But everyone has a concept of what they feel is right and wrong. One can choose to ignore it and become numb to the idea, but it's still there.

Sluggo, the way that I view dreams is that they are a broken mirror image of our real lives. They depict the places we've been, the people whom we've seen, the emotions which we've felt, and the ideas which we've created. In non-lucid dreams, I feel that those things about which we constantly dream are a reflection of things that are going on in real life, whether we are conscious of them or not.

When we are lucid, we typically become able to make our own decisions. Now those decisions may still be skewed by the fact that we are not experiencing any external stimuli and the fact that we are dreaming causes us our thoughts to go in any number of directions. What it boils down to is, do you feel that the choices that you're making in your dreams go against what you feel is right or wrong? If so, are you willing to put forth the effort to change? If not, well, that's your decision.

It's true that "no one else knows" what you're doing in a dream, but the fact remains that you know. A man once said, "You can make a choice, but once you've chose, your choice chooses for you." Just take the time to think about what will come from the choices you make. I don't know how old you are, but as time goes on, you learn how little choices that you make can have very interesting and often unpredictable effects later in life.

I tend to be long-winded when I get going. I'll stop here.

It's not evil if it's just fun, meaningless violence. Don't worry, you are no more evil than any Grand Theft Auto player

Originally Posted by Amethyst Star

Regardless, all of us hold ourselves to some sort of standard. Some place very rigid restrictions on themselves, while others are lax and really don't care. But everyone has a concept of what they feel is right and wrong. One can choose to ignore it and become numb to the idea, but it's still there.

Sluggo, the way that I view dreams is that they are a broken mirror image of our real lives. They depict the places we've been, the people whom we've seen, the emotions which we've felt, and the ideas which we've created. In non-lucid dreams, I feel that those things about which we constantly dream are a reflection of things that are going on in real life, whether we are conscious of them or not.

When we are lucid, we typically become able to make our own decisions. Now those decisions may still be skewed by the fact that we are not experiencing any external stimuli and the fact that we are dreaming causes us our thoughts to go in any number of directions. What it boils down to is, do you feel that the choices that you're making in your dreams go against what you feel is right or wrong? If so, are you willing to put forth the effort to change? If not, well, that's your decision.

It's true that "no one else knows" what you're doing in a dream, but the fact remains that you know. A man once said, "You can make a choice, but once you've chose, your choice chooses for you." Just take the time to think about what will come from the choices you make. I don't know how old you are, but as time goes on, you learn how little choices that you make can have very interesting and often unpredictable effects later in life.

I tend to be long-winded when I get going. I'll stop here.

We do all have a moral compass the guides us in our waking life but when we dream it shouldn't have to apply.

There should be no right and wrong in our dreams, every decision you make is a morally right decision. I really feel bad for people who think what they do in dreams is 'wrong' and will somehow have a bearing on their waking life. What I mean by that is drawing a correlation between killing someone in their dream and then killing someone in the waking life, it is absurd when you are lucid in a dream. I can see where if someone had a normal dream and they kill people they could draw some connection but a lucid dream is a complete flipping of the script. You consciously decide to do it. Why do I kill people? Because society says I cannot. I like to do things in dreams that I'm not allowed to do in real life. It's why I fly, breathe under water, do feats of strength in dreams, not necessarily because I want to but because I can't do it in my waking life and I'd like to experience it. This logic applies to actions deemed evil by society too. We do them not because we want to but because we can. I really have done some vile stuff in dreams, seriously vile. I did them because I can't do it in my waking life. Would I kill someone in real life if society deemed it okay? Who knows. Would I kill someone if I was given carte blanch in real life? No, why? Because I've already had my fill in lucid dreaming. Perception is reality, I've perceived killing someone already and I don't need to do it again, I have no desire to do it again.

There are different rules that govern our waking lives, be they the laws of a particular society or the laws of physics... but our dreams have a set of laws too... and that law is my law. The key is to know the difference. Well, there is another law too... you have to awake... and from what I've heard is that some people have had lucid dreams that have lasted 'lifetimes' thanks to time dilation... and time dilation is possible... I've had a dream that has lasted months. Of course there is no way to discern if it were two months or three months, it just felt like months... though in reality it could have only been seconds.

What one does in Lucid Dreams, or even normal dreams is somewhat of a grey area, as the whole reality of dreams is very skewed and abnormal. Doors are pathways to new areas of a world, as opposed to simply being a partition between two areas. Gravity does not need to apply as long as you don't want it to. And even one's moral compass will not need to apply as the internal reality of dreams brings little to no consequence for supposedly 'evil' acts. However, is the whole construct of good/evil applicable in such a subjective reality? Personally, I think it is very difficult to judge one's dream actions under waking perceptions and moralities. If anything, one must take a different perspective as to why one wants to do violent 'evil' acts in their lucid dreams, as opposed to other things. In the few LDs I've had, I've never killed a DC, nor had sex with one (even when the idea popped into my head). In my LDs, I have different priorities and goals which make me end up exploring my dreamscapes, looking for things or people within my dreams. At the moment, my main aim is to find my subconscious, since I have plenty of things I want to ask or talk about to him/her/it. Hell, in one non-LD in which I came so CLOSE to realising I was dreaming and was about to have hot, steamy dream sex, I came to the wrong conclusion (instead of thinking "I'm dreaming" I thought "What would [girl I know in waking reality] think about this?") and walked away from the scene. Talk about frustrating when I woke up. Personally, I think one's violent tendencies in dreams can be due to frustration or lack of power/influence in waking reality. This may not be evident on the conscious mind, but in dreams where the subconscious mind holds much greater influence, these frustrations may manifest as violent tendecies. If anything, one must look at oneself if confronted with the tendecies in order to at least find out what is causing them. How one deals with it is up to him/her. However, that is my speculation on the matter. To be honest, unless these violent tendecies spill out into waking reality as opposed to remaining within dream reality, then there's little to worry about.

Originally Posted by sluggo

Hey guys... There's nothing wrong with indulging your dark side when it's only happening in your own private world right??

hey dude... well its you already ! its not your dark side..its you. stop inducing, indulging, summoning "your dark side" lol..its only you.. you dont have any dark, bright or other sides..

Regarding good and evil being merely societal standards: let me ask you, when someone crashes a plane into a building full of innocent people, do you sit there and say, "Interesting! these fellows come from a society where it is not considered wrong to do these things!"

Or when some kid goes nuts and guns down 30 plus people at a school, do you watch your tv and say, "Hmm, this young man doesn't hold the same regard for human life that the majority of American society does! A fascinating difference."

No, you think what they did was wrong, it was unjust. You think they should have acted in some other way.

That may be American society pressing its Judeo-Christian concepts of mythological forces of good and evil upon you, but I refuse to believe that. There has to be some standard to which all men must be accountable. There has to be at least some kind of absolute right and wrong. Otherwise, there's no difference between Ghandi and O.J. Simpson. We’re just going to have to agree to disagree Garlic, because based on discussions I’ve had about this type of topic in the past, I’m sure you won’t be persuaded, and neither will I.

Anyway, as to how this all relates to LD’s, if you accept, for a moment, that some things are just right or wrong, the question then becomes “who is doing them?” If you are conscious in your dream, then that person is you. If in real life, you had the ability to posess other people, and could hop from one body to another, could any of the things you do while possessing an 89 year old lady be attributable to her, because it was her body performing the actions, or would you be the one responsible? Certainly, you weren’t in your own body when grandma mowed down all those pedestrians, but your consciousness, that thing which makes you You, did it.

You could, I suppose, also make the argument that only things that happen in real life count. In your dreams, the only person who is real is you. This might make it okay. I’m honestly not sure. I’ve been trying to figure this out myself since I started this. The question then, I guess, becomes, “Does what you do in dreams have any effect on you in real life?” and, more specifically, “Does doing bad things in dreams make you a worse person in real life?”

I’ve really opened a can of worms. Another question is, “Which is more real, the dream me or the real life me?” Is there any difference? I don’t think there is.

I’m not saying killing people in dreams will make you a killer IRL, I’m just wondering, does doing these things “get it out of your system?” or are you instead feeding into that side of you, making it stronger? People who torture and kill animals IRL often go on to do the same to people. In that case, they weren’t “getting it out of their system,” they were just making a part of them that was already there worse. Are dreams like that? I think it depends on the individual. You have to work this out in your own head. I think, for me at least, the release of frustrations from doing something bad satisfies me short term, but long term, it makes me require it more. Like a drug.

Wow I’m confused. But not about absolute right and wrong, where I started this post. There is a difference between Martin Luther King Jr. and Mohammed Atta. And it’s not just because they were brought up in different parts of the world. Sorry.

I don't think you should hold my opinion to the highest regard but, to kill and do all those things, if you know it's wrong and you are doing it for fun in lucids, it's a reflection on what you wish you could do in real life. People have lucid sex all the time but that doesn't make them sex addicts in real life, it just means they wish they could get laid more often [or just want to please their base selves, anyways].

If you do it with ill intentions, you're evil. Now, as far as evil goes, it's true, its subjective. BUT, get over the "let's be objective" junk, the truth is, everything is subjective, whether you realize it or not. Objectivity is the general subjective opinion or pattern repeated or shown often.

As for personal reference, when lucid, I've thought of hurting people, but never do it. I feel bad just upon the though of it, and since the dream world is formed around thoughts, beliefs, emotions, memories, etc. It's safe to say how you feel or how you justify your lucid actions reflects greatly upon your mental being. For, a person can be mentally "evil" but repress such things in real life because they don't want to take consequence for such actions, in the dream world, you are omnipotent, so you'd go out on a limb and fulfill whatever you fancy.

As for how sensible anything I said was... I'm not really sure. If I offend, I apologize, if I am of help, then I do not.

We decide which is right, we being society. Society says red is red. But in your head you are the society. You decide everything. If you want to call red 'green' who is to tell you that you are wrong? Sure you are wrong in this realm but not in your dreams.

The real world is like a game of soccer, you have to use your feet, if you touch the ball you get penalized. In your dream you pick up the ball you only get penalized if you want to get penalized. At first you usually do get penalized though too because society has hard wired these beliefs into your head... I'm going to quote the Matrix here, and it is corny but applicable.

I know that there is no penalty. That's the point. That is what makes lucid dreaming a temptation. Will you sell out your waking morals just so you can live out a fantasy in your dreams? If what you really want is to kill and maim and rape, does dreaming it make it any better?

wow I didn't know this topic would trigger such deep conversations. in response to some of the questions you guys asked: when I'm in LDs I'm aware that I'm dreaming but I still have a little bit of dream logic controlling me. I dont' feel fully like my waking self, more like a fictionalized version of myself. I'm not a violent or mean person in waking life (except when I'm really drunk....err....maybe these dreams are my subconscious's way of showing me what I'm like when I'm being a drunken asshole since I'm usually blacked out and don't remember any of it)...I like the analogy someone said of Grand Theft Auto. LDing is basically exploring an extremely real virtual reality world, so in a way its kind of like being in a video game and testing it out by blowing shit up and killing people. And I think the reason I do violent things in my dreams is because I know nobody will really be hurt. Now here's a scary thought: what if one day I'm totally convinced I'm dreaming but I'm actually in real life and I go around killing people for fun. Ah!!!! That creeps me out.

I have to agree with those that say this is not the correct thing to do. Using the same line of thinking as unseen wombat, I think that "you" is that consciousness. Now I'm aware that in lucid dreams you aren't fully there, but you are surely enough aware to know the difference between right and wrong. I know this because in my last lucid dream I realized that I could do whatever I wanted. I could kill and there would be no consequences. But I instantly thought "this is wrong" and abstained from doing so. Just because you are dreaming does not mean you can run wild and act like a savage animal; sure you can have some fun, but not in ways that are murderous and evil. I personally want to take down a city with an earthquake in a dream because I've never seen something like that. However, I am not going to imagine it with people screaming and bloodied dieing all around me. No, I just want to see the buildings crash down in an empty city. Is this sort a crude desire? Yes, no doubt. However, it harms nobody and is something you can look back to in waking life and say that it was just a dream.

Even in dreams I believe you should define your morals. Maybe running around throwing newborns off the roof isn't real, but it is a chilling idea. In my opinion if you want to kill in a dream, summon some zombies or some other stereotypically evil paranormal being and blast away. At least now you are being more of a hero than a criminal. In a non-lucid dream if you woke up and remembered that you dreamt about raping somebody you would also feel a bit guilty. However, that is excusable since you weren't conscious. When you are conscious though I believe YOU are responsible for your actions and shouldn't submit to these thoughts. I don't think you are evil. Your actions are evil. That does not mean you cannot be influenced by these dreams though and truly become a person who's only reason for not acting this way is to avoid punishment.



This wasn't a very organized post, but I think you get the message. I have horrible obsessive thoughts but I realize this isn't ME, therefore I dismiss them as wrong and something that should not be done. In my humble opinion you should do the same.

LOL dont feel guilty its only a dream after all we all have a bad side and Dreams are harmless ways to let out that stress and excitement. As long as you know there wrong to do in the real world there is no harm in exploring your dreams in anyway you like.

Originally Posted by unseen wombat

To answer that question I suppose you need to know what is what is the real "you"? Is it the flesh and bone person who walks around and needs to eat and go to the bathroom and stuff? Or is it your consciousness that resides in that meat body? If it's the former, then no, you're not evil. If it's the latter, then I suppose you need to ask why you're doing those terrible things. Do you genuinely enjoy it? Is the only reason you don't do it in real life because you would have to suffer the repercussions? Then yes, you are evil. If it's just because you know you're not really hurting anyone; if you would never do this in real life even if you had the chance to get away with it scott free, then no.

...ummm... I guess by your standards I myself am evil. I am the latter and I have had some very disturbing lucid and non lucid dreams... I won't go into experiences. But yeah... this thread just gave me another part of my existence that I need to mull over. Great. I hope I won't start having these dreams more often...

whoa, what a lot of feedback! I skimmed through most of it, but just wanted to put my two cents in: There's no such thing as evil in dreams. I see lucid dreams like videogames (GTA type games especially). Killing innocent people and running them over in a car doesn't make the gamer evil. That's what lucid dreaming is all about, no moral restraints and no consequenses. Just don't let that stuff follow you into the real world!

I don't think you're evil. If I could get lucid more often I would probably be pretty violent too. I think random violence is kind of funny myself.

"I threw a baby off a roof." Maybe I'm evil, I seriously am LOLing right now visualizing that.

Perhaps the distinction between right and wrong really does lie in the eye of the beholder. (This is a hard thing for me to admit.) But the fact that someone choses to do something that they know is wrong makes them a "slave to sin", still. Just because something doesn't have real world consequences doesn't make it OK.

Anyhow, therefore, killing someone in a lucid dream and in real life are the same thing. Killing someone in real life is the same as lying to someone in real life. It just matters where we place our taboos.

So I wouldn't call that evil.