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Ive read many accounts of people using Salvia Divinorum, a legal psychoactive plant. I have experience with this plant myself and i must say it is very powerful and should not be done unless one is fully aware of the effects. One thing common with "breakthrough" experiences is the user is instantly thrown into another world. On some occasions people actually act out what they are doing in this experience and after 10 minutes they come back with no recollection of what they did. This makes sense if you were thrown into a dream and you weren't paralyzed you would most surely act it out. This is also one reason why this plant is dangerous, even though it is 100% non toxic to your body. It is a very intense and powerful experience and i would say it is a 100% effective method to go straight into a dream. Some people may say that its just hallucinations, but what are hallucinations really? And isn't a dream just a very vivid and all-encompassing hallucination? Anyways there is a lot more i could say about salvia but i just want to know what people think about this idea and if anyone has had experiences with this legal plant.

That sounds fishy. But whatever floats your boat.

I might compare the effects of a psychoactive to dreaming (might), but certainly not lucid dreaming. Even with a lot of experience you are still going to be taking in external stimuli, and interpreting that, and you can't reach the same level of control that you could in a dream (especially with something like salvia). There are experiences that, on the surface, will be similar, but at the same time, there are experiences you will only be able to have while dreaming, or with a psychedelic (some people might say this is even arguable), but to me it's apples and oranges.

don't you take in outside stimuli in dreaming too? ive had dreams where it was storming in my dream only to wake up and see a storm outside my window. I would say its possible to be able to control it like a lucid dream. But its not the same and it only lasts like 10 minutes. I agree with you that its like comparing apples and oranges, but apples and oranges are still made of the same atoms and even then they are still about %99.999999999 empty space. So in essence they are the same and yet they are still different.

That sounds fishy. But whatever floats your boat.

Is it also fishy that body regulated DMT, the most powerful psychoactive substance known to man, causes you to dream every night?

That sounds like a really bad idea, and justifying it by saying psychoactive substances are produced naturally by our own body is a faulty argument. Do you know whats also produced by our body? Poop. That doesn't mean we should eat poop. Obviously, poop has a specific purpose that our body is just happy to control beyond conscious thought. Yes, doctors will sometimes regulate bodily functions for the sick, but they are doctors who have studied medicine for many years, not just ten minutes of wikipedia browsing. I hate to bash your statement but I think you possibly disliking me is less important than someone reading this and trying it out.

dreaming and hallucinations are not the same thing. You have to sleep and be in REM to dream to put it in extremely simple form. You are not sleeping when hallucinating, So it isn't a dream. Certain parts of your brain are active/not active when you are dreaming that's different than halucinating. And taking drugs to "supposedly" get LDs is NOT healthy. Maybe taking something your body needs (like vitamins) to help LDing is okay, but taking something like salvia just isnt a good idea.

That sounds like a really bad idea, and justifying it by saying psychoactive substances are produced naturally by our own body is a faulty argument. Do you know whats also produced by our body? Poop.

Originally Posted by alfy984

don't you take in outside stimuli in dreaming too? ive had dreams where it was storming in my dream only to wake up and see a storm outside my window. I would say its possible to be able to control it like a lucid dream. But its not the same and it only lasts like 10 minutes. I agree with you that its like comparing apples and oranges, but apples and oranges are still made of the same atoms and even then they are still about %99.999999999 empty space. So in essence they are the same and yet they are still different.


Is it also fishy that body regulated DMT, the most powerful psychoactive substance known to man, causes you to dream every night?

Sounds interesting. I'm definitely going to try to train myself for lucids first, but if all else fails, Salvia Divinorum it is.

Originally Posted by Brainchild

Sounds interesting. I'm definitely going to try to train myself for lucids first, but if all else fails, Salvia Divinorum it is.

This is a perfect example of why the OP's misleading statements can put people in danger. Salvia is not a replacement for learning to lucid dream any more than mescaline, DMT, LSD, mushrooms, peyote, or any of the other psychoactive drugs with similar effects are. Salvia gives you the hallucinations without the sleep paralysis to protect you, or the ability to remember that you're hallucinating.

Alex, it's telling that you demand I leave your thread if I don't agree with your dangerous, misleading statements about this drug, when your OP actually asks for my opinion. Salvia isn't harmless, and it started the slow process of becoming illegal last year.
Your attempt to defend your potentially harmful suggestions with the claim that your actions have no consequences because this is all a dream world and we're just figments of your imagination is absurd.

Heh, I had never heard of this before but I have to admit I think I'm going to order some. I've always been very curious about LSD but too afraid to try it, especially after learning what a bad trip does to your brain physiologically After reading the wikipedia article about Salvia, it sounds much safer.

Although I can't really see how something that gives you wild hallucinations can be completely safe (long term effects unknown maybe?) so I certainly hope it's not too fun and I don't go overboard

Originally Posted by Amelaclya

After reading the wikipedia article about Salvia, it sounds much safer.

I might debate that. The psychological damage thing is really only a worry if you have a history in your family, or some other risk factors, but I'd say there is way more potential to have a bad trip with Salvia. I have seen people have bad trips on LSD (had one myself) and we weren't permanently scarred (it didn't stop me from doing it again either). I have just seen way more people freak out, and actually need to be restrained on Salvia than on LSD. Set and setting, and other factors you control help make sure an LSD trip goes well, but Salvia is way too unpredictable to really be in control of. Several people I know have been scared away from doing Salvia again from a bad trip.

Either way, if you're gonna do it, you're gonna do it, just be safe (maybe start with at a 10x extraction), be sitting down (seriously), and have a sitter. Read up on Erowid, (experiences section in particular) some more before you jump in too. Too many uninformed people who want to do Salvia and put it on youtube and shit, and there are too many inaccurate descriptions out there, be smart about it (not saying you aren't), have a good time.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Amelaclya was being sarcastic

I thought Salvia was made illegal in the U.S. Where do you live? I could be wrong, I just remember hearing that in passing.
The major difference, however, between a dream and a hallucination of any kind is that in a dream you experience no consequences for your actions. It is this idea that draws many people to lucid dreaming. While if you are just tripping off a drug, you may jump out a window and think you can fly and wind up dead.

it is legal in the everywhere in the US except Louisiana. And i believe you cant ship it to certain states.

there has never been a single reported death from Salvia. Salvia is safe if you know what you are doing. Salvia is active in pure form in as little as 100 micrograms(1 mcg is 1 millionth of a gram) making it the most potent psychoactive substance known to man. And it has to be treated respect and love. Treat Salvia like its a

I didnt mean to say it should be used by everyone to do LDs. I'm just saying the effects are strikingly similar to entering a dream via WILD. If you have never tried salvia then there is no way you could know.

That sounds like a really bad idea, and justifying it by saying psychoactive substances are produced naturally by our own body is a faulty argument. Do you know whats also produced by our body? Poop. That doesn't mean we should eat poop.

Poop is not released in your brain during rem sleep and it is a waste biproduct of digestion. The psychoactive chemical DMT is produced in the pineal gland in the brain and is released during rem sleep. I dont think that is a coincidence.

I thought Salvia was made illegal in the U.S. Where do you live? I could be wrong, I just remember hearing that in passing.
The major difference, however, between a dream and a hallucination of any kind is that in a dream you experience no consequences for your actions. It is this idea that draws many people to lucid dreaming. While if you are just tripping off a drug, you may jump out a window and think you can fly and wind up dead.

No one has every died from jumping out of a window on salvia. It may have happened once or twice in the seventies with LSD. The reason people act out what they see is because they believe what they are seeing is real, just in a dream when are not aware you are dreaming. The difference is with salvia people look at their surroundings and see things totally different and if they bump into things or fall down it turns the experience into a bad one. You just have to relax and lay down or something and listen to music.

Oh, and I forgot to mention, that the only thing it did to me, was make me laugh so hard, and so long, it started to hurt my face! lol. If you go on youtube, like some one else mentioned, you can see some of the affects.

Originally Posted by Amelaclya

Heh, I had never heard of this before but I have to admit I think I'm going to order some. I've always been very curious about LSD but too afraid to try it, especially after learning what a bad trip does to your brain physiologically After reading the wikipedia article about Salvia, it sounds much safer.

Although I can't really see how something that gives you wild hallucinations can be completely safe (long term effects unknown maybe?) so I certainly hope it's not too fun and I don't go overboard

Actually Salvia divinorum IS safe, and has been around for a very long time, you may even have some in you flower gardens, All it really is, is a type of sage. The native Americans used to smoke it in ceremonies, or the healers of the tribe, or something like that. Please do not get me wrong, I am neither condoning, or condemning it. I HAVE tried it once, and did not like it, but as said before it IS legal, but so is alcohol.

sounds addicting....and dangerous

id rather just do it naturaly

Salvia is not physically addictive, and also very unlikely to be psychologically addictive. But anyways I can see what alfy984 is trying to say... and I believe that dreams could be just like hallucinations except in dreams our bodies are paralyzed making us unable to act out the actual actions. Obviously Salvia isn't for everyone, and should be taken only by people who know what they are doing. Anyways, I think that Salvia could enhance our LD experiences and inform us more about the mysteries of that other world.

Originally Posted by antiflag

sounds addicting....and dangerous

id rather just do it naturaly

Do any of you people actually base your views & beliefs on FACTS or just the mere sound of things and "What you've head of them"? Why all the Judgement? And why all the Fear?

here's a guy who has found a helpfull Psychedelic Plant that casts one into a fully immersive Dream-state VERY SIMILAIR TO the WILD experience of Dreams. He never said it IS dreaming. Admit it, no mater how much you fear "Drugs" and "Hallucinations", the Salvia experience is indeed very similair to entering a Dream. Read some salvia experience reports to inform yourselves.

And there you guys go overloading him with judgement and fear. It seems more and more people prefer to live their lives in Eternal Fear of all unknown and mystical things everywhere I turn.

Salvia has been praised for it's Oneirogenic effects before by many people and also there's a book called Drugs of the Dreaming(check it out) which mentions Salvia as a very effective Oneirogen. How come you people are so affraid of Life? All your judgement doesn't make you guys very social, let alone civilised, intellectual Forum-Debaters. Just loosen up a bit.

Give this guy a Break as he's in a very interresting, promising field of exploration that you guys would most probably never experience.
If you disagree with his positive spirit towards psychoactive plants, Well then just don't participate in this discussion and leave it for people who have similair views to the subject and want to discuss it intelligently trying to find out what to do with Salvia to benefit from it's Oneirogenic effects.

Its a shame to see every promising Dream/Psychoactive-Plant discussion being totally burried in narrowminded, selfcentered judement. I'm so sick of this Judgementality. It has ruïned the intellectual, fruitfull debates on this forum by replacing them with never ending judgement and naysaying.

Alfy, I for one, find this a good topic. I'll stick with it and help you experiment if you'd like. I don't judge until AFTER I've had pesonal experiece and then still: I would never tell others what to do and what not to do: That's up to themselves.

Very well said, thank you for that. Great topic and lets not let it die out.

I have tried smoking Salvia extract 3 times,but to no avail.
Since then I learned that smoking Salvia is quite an art and a Butane lighter is required.

I haven't tried it since, because it is quite pricey to turn out to be another dud.
However I have read about a more interresting way of ingesting Salvia; Sublingual/Buccal A.K.A. Quidding.

Maybe an experiment where I would quid some salvia leaves in bed as I lay ready to fall asleep would be worthwhile. I could quid it until I start noticing effects, spit out or swallow the quid and fall asleep in the salvia-trance.

Since Salvia is quite pricey in Smartshops here I think for this purpose it'd be best to buy a small salvia plant and grow it myself for continual use. Does anyone know if it's hard or easy to grow Salvia?

I tried it, 20x extract.. I didn't think I did it the right way because it did nothing! the second time, when I closed my eyes, I did enter the sleep world tho.. felt like people were pulling on my body and dragging me lol D: and I saw a huge windmill in the sky, it was really weird ^^ but then someone entered the room..

Originally Posted by SKA

Since Salvia is quite pricey in Smartshops here I think for this purpose it'd be best to buy a small salvia plant and grow it myself for continual use. Does anyone know if it's hard or easy to grow Salvia?

the salvia users guide i posted has a faq on how to grow it... it does seem kind of difficult but it would be worth having a sally plant. I wouldn't be surprised though if you cared for sally then sally would take care of you as well

A) Why isn't this illegal?
B) This is the stupidest way I've heard of to become lucid since the nicotine patch. Just use B6 or galantamine/choline whatever are in those LD pills, why do need a hallucinogenic substance?

A) It is legal because it is non-toxic and non-addictive.
B) No one said you need a psychoactive substance to dream.... This is just a different way to dream.

Originally Posted by SKA

Do any of you people actually base your views & beliefs on FACTS or just the mere sound of things and "What you've head of them"? Why all the Judgement? And why all the Fear?

This can't be a serious question. Why the judgment? Lets see ... you are drugging your brain, pumping it with chemicals to an unnatural state of hallucinations. Yes, we see things in dreams, but dreams are not dangerous! If dreams were dangerous, natural selection would have wiped us out a long time ago.

Promising field of exploration? Yes, I consider myself an explorer when I walk in circles and speak to imaginary creatures. This all goes on while the real world around you passes. We HAVE to sleep and we HAVE to dream, so why not spend the time lucid? Drugs do not spend time, they waste time. The further you disconnect from life, the more pathetic and useless you will become.

I take offense to this because this is a bad idea and we all know how quickly bad ideas spread. It should be debated because this is not a one sided issue. It is difficult for me to leave this issue alone and let bygones be bygones when you will not. If you are going to fuck yourself up, please keep it to yourself and stop persuading others to join you.

Hey, don't want to get personal over this thread but, no one is persuading you to post here, not to mention that no one is encouraging you to try Salvia. If you do not like what is going on then you are free to leave at any time.

When I 'tripped' all those experiences made A LOT more sense then... you actually felt what they were talking about.