Thread: Anyone see their future?

I highly dislike close minded people. They're fuc*ing annoying.

Originally Posted by shotbirds

I highly dislike close minded people. They're fuc*ing annoying.

Being "close-minded" to precognition is the same as being "close-minded" to Christianity. Meaning it isn't actually being close minded; it is a matter of opinion and belief.

Why do I lump dream cognition with religion? Neither are truly provable. Neither can be falsified.

I once dreampt that I found a spider in my toybox, and I did the next day.

I once dreampt that I was abducted by a man in a white impala. Fiction.

If you consider the danger-modeling explanation as to why we dream, the appearance of seemingly precognitive dreams is logical. There are many viable dreams that could come true. Most of them don't. "Precognition" is without reliability, and as such, is useless to try and "harness." Harnessing precognition is like trying to harness how a dice rolls: you can't.

Originally Posted by Abra

Being "close-minded" to precognition is the same as being "close-minded" to Christianity. Meaning it isn't actually being close minded; it is a matter of opinion and belief.

Why do I lump dream cognition with religion? Neither are truly provable. Neither can be falsified.

I once dreampt that I found a spider in my toybox, and I did the next day.

I once dreampt that I was abducted by a man in a white impala. Fiction.

If you consider the danger-modeling explanation as to why we dream, the appearance of seemingly precognitive dreams is logical. There are many viable dreams that could come true. Most of them don't. "Precognition" is without reliability, and as such, is useless to try and "harness." Harnessing precognition is like trying to harness how a dice rolls: you can't.

That is almost exactly what I was trying to say. Thank you.

Why do I lump dream cognition with religion? Neither are truly provable. Neither can be falsified.

But that is false. Physics strictly forbids precognition. What difference does it make if it's in a dream?

A god certainly isn't explicitly forbidden however. Even the omniscience paradox isn't foolproo; one could easily say a god transcends logic.

I do agree with you with this however:

I highly dislike close minded people. They're fuc*ing annoying.

Excuse me?

Can I also say that you are terribly close-minded by disreagarding all of science that has been built up by thousands upon thousands of incredibly intelligent people even though you more than likely do not actually know the science anyway?

"Precognition" is without reliability, and as such, is useless to try and "harness."

I'm sure you meant this, but this is of course not precognition.

Harnessing precognition is like trying to harness how a dice rolls: you can't.

This is a misleading anology, but correct in what it implies - if precognition followed probabilistic principles it would most certainly be accepted as scientific.

You are right of course by saying that no useful information can come from dice or precognition attempts (at the moment, until an experiment is devised) - but the future-telling people can't even get up a suitable experiment to test for the thing, so we conlude that it does not exist - coupled with the fact that it isn't allowed to in the first place.

(Precognition that doesn't yield any information wouldn't be precognition anyway)

Originally Posted by shotbirds

I highly dislike close minded people. They're fuc*ing annoying.

I personally highly disklike people claiming others are "small minded."
It's arrogant and if you think about it makes absolutely no sense (because you are attacking the persons character rather than making valid arguments to prove your stance on what is being discussed.)

Closed minded to what exactly? your way of thinking?
That's a little selfish isn't it, assuming that just because YOU think something is right that others must be closed minded because they disagree?

It is more "closed minded" to assume something is correct on belief and how "right it feels to you", than to want to see hard won evidence, proof and repeatability of something before making an opinion.

For example, i'd LOVE to believe in ghosts, it would be amazing if it were true. However just because i really would love it to be true does not mean that i am going to believe in it without some hard facts. I'd much rather see evidence to prove that there is something going on than to be arrogant and assume my wants and needs are more important that the study and investigation of millions of scientists.

Also, i like to be able to back up my view on the world, with evidence. I don't have to say "you're small minded" to someone who dosn't have the same opinions as me, because I can back up my opinions with evidence.

Using terms like small minded is a mindless argument designed to insult rather than enlighten. I'd go as far to say that only a closed minded individual would ever use the term "closed minded" seriously.

There is one question you can ask someone that will establish if they are open minded or not... "With sufficient evidence would you be willing to change your mind?"

I would, on any subject. Almost all scientists would too.
Very few spiritualists seem to agree... because, well there is already sufficient evidence to the contrary of what they believe.