Thread: Did you ever have a narrator talk in your LD's?

Yep.

I get this frequently.

For true seekers, those who will go farthest, this is one of the most valuable experiences. Narration can bring real knowledge, real insight. This can be confirmation that what you are experiencing is maybe not merely a dream, but that you are tapping into the multiverse itself ... alternate time lines, different realms, other earths. Physics is becoming increasingly clear about this. The multiverse is real. This is the broader reality in which we live, and which we might affect.

And dreams are a vehicle for discovering it.

And THIS is why I really can't understand or condone the video junkie approach to dream experience that seems to predominate here. No doubt it's the same people who winge about all of the violence and injustice in this world, going about playing sociopathic superman in their lucid dreams. But, of course, there's a solution for that, too.

So, here are some examples of narrated topics I've tuned in to:

- the emperial antimatter alliance
- the global commodity crisis (from an other earth - nice moving sidewalk subways)
- Abulafia
- the Russo-German alliance (alternate-Earth time line)
- on becoming a Buddha

Empathy and understanding are the keys, people. The Golden Rule. Live it or lose it.

Thanks,

PQ

Originally Posted by Posquant

Yep.

I get this frequently.

For true seekers, those who will go farthest, this is one of the most valuable experiences. Narration can bring real knowledge, real insight. This can be confirmation that what you are experiencing is maybe not merely a dream, but that you are tapping into the multiverse itself ... alternate time lines, different realms, other earths. Physics is becoming increasingly clear about this. The multiverse is real. This is the broader reality in which we live, and which we might affect.

And dreams are a vehicle for discovering it.

And THIS is why I really can't understand or condone the video junkie approach to dream experience that seems to predominate here. No doubt it's the same people who winge about all of the violence and injustice in this world, going about playing sociopathic superman in their lucid dreams. But, of course, there's a solution for that, too.

So, here are some examples of narrated topics I've tuned in to:

- the emperial antimatter alliance
- the global commodity crisis (from an other earth - nice moving sidewalk subways)
- Abulafia
- the Russo-German alliance (alternate-Earth time line)
- on becoming a Buddha

Empathy and understanding are the keys, people. The Golden Rule. Live it or lose it.

Thanks,

PQ

whoa man, i take offense to that (not that anyone cares) i love watching my dreams unfold, and sometimes i take action (when lucid, sometimes when i'm not also), you went overboard with your statements. don't you have "empathy" (your golden rule) towards people who just like to relax and watch their dreams? or do you just like being hypocritical?

Heh i often have narrators in my dreams, its really handy, often times i can control the narrators and control my dreams directly without actually having to imagine everything

Ok. Noted. I'll have to be more careful.

I didn't say anything critical "towards people who just like to relax and watch their dreams". Dreaming is cool. A gift.

I was critical of clueless people who take dreams seriously enough to practice WILD, DILD etc., but then - by acting like thugs or raging sociopaths - disrespect what they find when they get there.

I should have been clearer about my criticism. Read the posts on "what's your favorite lucid power", to see what I mean. http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...471#post948471

Originally Posted by Posquant

Ok. Noted. I'll have to be more careful.

I didn't say anything critical "towards people who just like to relax and watch their dreams". Dreaming is cool. A gift.

I was critical of clueless people who take dreams seriously enough to practice WILD, DILD etc., but then - by acting like thugs or raging sociopaths - disrespect what they find when they get there.

I should have been clearer about my criticism. Read the posts on "what's your favorite lucid power", to see what I mean. http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...471#post948471

yeah i totally misunderstood.

edit: well i see nothing wrong with a"acting like thugs or raging sociopaths" in dreams. i sure as hell don't do it, but if that's what some people need to do to vent it out than more power to them. as long as they are behaved and "normal" in RL than i see absolutely nothing wrong with it. i see that your views on the matter are that you believe dreams to be "real" places, and if i had the same belief than i would also be against people acting like jerks in dreams. what i believe is when someone is lucid they should just enjoy it in anyway they feel like, whether it's killing DCs or just going for a trip to mars.

For me, it is usually like I can just read everyones mind, and thay can read mine.. its weird.. I Geuss its a dream sign

Well. I guess that's the crux of it. What are dreams? Rather ... how do they function?

0ur vocabulary is inadequate here. The statement "dreams are real" is basically empty. Of course they are subjectively real... actual experiences, memorable sensations, etc. etc. Real information.

But are they about "real places"...about actual entities / beings, having actual sensations etc. etc.?

One can just assume that dreams are not about real places and people. That is convenient. Comfortable. But is it true? "Real", here, might mean: "capable of being experienced in common for entities of the type."

Well. Have you ever seen something (a person, place, thing) in a dream that you've never seen elsewhere in waking life, personally or in any movie or picture? This could be the smallest thing, really. Even a single example? If so, what do you suppose is the source of such coherent and anomalous information? What did you see? Have you ever really thought about it?

Did you mind just make it up? If not, then you (your perceptual reach) "went" there, more or less ... and that "there" thus necessarily HAS ITS OWN REALITY.

See what I mean?

Without knowing "how it works" and what all exists, really, and being unable to rule out the possibility, and having a lot of weird science coming together to say how it might be so ... I just think it's much more responsible to assume that people's dream rampages might have victims just as real as (if less defenseless than) the perpetrators. Who might those victims be? What is their media, their reality? Are they nothing, though we can perceive and interact with them ... even kill them?

I dunno. And that means that I don't know enough to deny much of anything, either.

Thanks,

PQ

Originally Posted by ForgottenDream

yeah i totally misunderstood.

edit: well i see nothing wrong with a"acting like thugs or raging sociopaths" in dreams. i sure as hell don't do it, but if that's what some people need to do to vent it out than more power to them. as long as they are behaved and "normal" in RL than i see absolutely nothing wrong with it. i see that your views on the matter are that you believe dreams to be "real" places, and if i had the same belief than i would also be against people acting like jerks in dreams. what i believe is when someone is lucid they should just enjoy it in anyway they feel like, whether it's killing DCs or just going for a trip to mars.

Well. I guess that's the crux of it. What are dreams? Rather ... how do they function?

0ur vocabulary is inadequate here. The statement "dreams are real" is basically empty. Of course they are subjectively real... actual experiences, memorable sensations, etc. etc. Real information.

But are they about "real places"...about actual entities / beings, having actual sensations etc. etc.?

One can just assume that dreams are not about real places and people. That is convenient. Comfortable. But is it true? "Real", here, might mean: "capable of being experienced in common for entities of the type."

Well. Have you ever seen something (a person, place, thing) in a dream that you've never seen elsewhere in waking life, personally or in any movie or picture? This could be the smallest thing, really. Even a single example? If so, what do you suppose is the source of such coherent and anomalous information? What did you see? Have you ever really thought about it?

Did you mind just make it up? If not, then you (your perceptual reach) "went" there, more or less ... and that "there" thus necessarily HAS ITS OWN REALITY.

See what I mean?

Without knowing "how it works" and what all exists, really, and being unable to rule out the possibility, and having a lot of weird science coming together to say how it might be so ... I just think it's much more responsible to assume that people's dream rampages might have victims just as real as (if less defenseless than) the perpetrators. Who might those victims be? What is their media, their reality? Are they nothing, though we can perceive and interact with them ... even kill them?

I dunno. And that means that I don't know enough to deny much of anything, either.

Thanks,

PQ

I get narrators in a lot of my normal dreams. It's funny when I wake up but in the dream it seems so ridiculously normal.

Originally Posted by Posquant

Well. I guess that's the crux of it. What are dreams? Rather ... how do they function?

0ur vocabulary is inadequate here. The statement "dreams are real" is basically empty. Of course they are subjectively real... actual experiences, memorable sensations, etc. etc. Real information.

But are they about "real places"...about actual entities / beings, having actual sensations etc. etc.?

One can just assume that dreams are not about real places and people. That is convenient. Comfortable. But is it true? "Real", here, might mean: "capable of being experienced in common for entities of the type."

Well. Have you ever seen something (a person, place, thing) in a dream that you've never seen elsewhere in waking life, personally or in any movie or picture? This could be the smallest thing, really. Even a single example? If so, what do you suppose is the source of such coherent and anomalous information? What did you see? Have you ever really thought about it?

Did you mind just make it up? If not, then you (your perceptual reach) "went" there, more or less ... and that "there" thus necessarily HAS ITS OWN REALITY.

See what I mean?

Without knowing "how it works" and what all exists, really, and being unable to rule out the possibility, and having a lot of weird science coming together to say how it might be so ... I just think it's much more responsible to assume that people's dream rampages might have victims just as real as (if less defenseless than) the perpetrators. Who might those victims be? What is their media, their reality? Are they nothing, though we can perceive and interact with them ... even kill them?

I dunno. And that means that I don't know enough to deny much of anything, either.

Thanks,

PQ

i respect what you may or may not believe. however since you're responding i might as well respond back with my own views.

i draw a lot, and write stories. most of my drawings are things that have never set foot on this earth, you can call it surrealism or whatever i don't really bother with art genres. anyway, my point is, just because you see something you've never seen before, doesn't mean there's something special or significant about. by the way, everything i've ever seen in a dream i could have easily imagined during waking life (flying, robots, being one with everything, etc.) nothing has been totally alien to me in any dream of any sort lucid or non-lucid. that does not mean they aren't amazing and definitely unique, i'm just saying i could have thought of everything i've ever dreamed about while awake. i'm open to the slight possibility of dreams being "real" because as you've said you experience real feelings, memories, etc. but i know that dreams aren't real in the same way that you and me are, and what i mean by that is solid. dreams are very fluid and flow easily and change constantly even with recurring dreams nothing is exactly the same, there's always something different about it, at least with my experiences and from what i've heard of others.

No, but I was the narrator once. Harassing the poor DCs who could do nothing about it. First I would narrate things they weren't doing, and this would get them angry. Then I would narrate something undesirable and make it come to pass.

Hehe, all good fun.

Wow! I had no idea this occurred so frequently!

For me, sadly (luckily?), I get no narrations. Not in lucid dreams, nor normal dreams. I narrated my chemistry studying last night (in a dream), but that doesn't count for much.

Originally Posted by ForgottenDream

i respect what you may or may not believe. however since you're responding i might as well respond back with my own views.

i draw a lot, and write stories. most of my drawings are things that have never set foot on this earth, you can call it surrealism or whatever i don't really bother with art genres. anyway, my point is, just because you see something you've never seen before, doesn't mean there's something special or significant about. by the way, everything i've ever seen in a dream i could have easily imagined during waking life (flying, robots, being one with everything, etc.) nothing has been totally alien to me in any dream of any sort lucid or non-lucid. that does not mean they aren't amazing and definitely unique, i'm just saying i could have thought of everything i've ever dreamed about while awake. i'm open to the slight possibility of dreams being "real" because as you've said you experience real feelings, memories, etc. but i know that dreams aren't real in the same way that you and me are, and what i mean by that is solid. dreams are very fluid and flow easily and change constantly even with recurring dreams nothing is exactly the same, there's always something different about it, at least with my experiences and from what i've heard of others.

I agree. wouldnt you say that the creation of something absolutely unique is part of what gives credit to the reason why creativity and imagination are words that have come to exist?

omg i did have a dream earlier this week anyways i saw titles and it was kinda like a movie it was like me refering water sports and music was playing and something in my head was like part 2 n cant remember what he was saying but i kinda realised i dreamt this before then i just thought oh well -.-