Thread: Adhd

Re-learning behaviours can help with ADHD.

That spelling is consistently not great, I guessed that other habitual processes to learn certain things might be applied where they aren't doing well (which isn't uncommon).

For example, kinaesthetic approaches applied to visual memory don't work well at all, but it could mean that you are more grounded elsewhere, and working from that angle with enthusiasm would be a good starting point.

That I mention this isn't random, there's relation between that and ADHD. Here's an article you might find interesting:

Spoiler for ARTICLE:

Many children seen at the National Reading Diagnostics Institute in Naperville, Illinois have received a diagnosis of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD). Yet in-depth reading evaluations of these youngsters often reveal that rather than having an attention disorder, they are simply kinesthetic learners they need to engage in gross motor (large-muscle) activity to learn best. Once they are given the opportunity to learn through the proper methods, their ADHD-like behavior often disappears.

It is interesting how many students are now being labeled "attention disordered." Years ago, only medical practitioners determined whether a child had an attention disorder, and the numbers were small. Now, teachers, relatives, and next-door neighbors are quick to point out the characteristics of ADD. Increasing numbers of youngsters are routinely placed on ”trials” of Ritalin, without first ruling out other factors that could be causing apparent ADHD symptoms. A kinesthetic learner may not need medication so much as innovative teaching methods.

There are four basic types of learners: visual, auditory, tactile and kinesthetic, While types may overlap, visual learners tend to work best with visual stimuli, while auditory learners relate best to lecture-techniques and verbal material. Tactile-oriented students absorb new information most readily through their sense of touch, such as when tracing letters made from sandpaper.

Kinesthetic learners require body movement and action for optimal results: they need to move around, use their muscles, explore. Flashlight writing is an example of a kinesthetic technique. Writing letters in sand or shaving cream is both a tactile and kinesthetic method. Kinesthetically oriented children find it stressful to be asked to ”look and listen” for long periods of time. Imagine the frustration of having your hands tied, your mouth covered, and your eyes blindfolded, so that you could neither gesture, speak, or see. Kinesthetic students face similar frustration when they are not allowed to move in a classroom. To relieve stress, they seek to break out of these constraints. When faced with several hours of desk work, for which they are required to ”sit still,” they tend to get up to sharpen their pencil several times, they ask to go to the rest room, or they drop things, so they can get up to retrieve them, They may seek to be class monitors, to run errands. If they can’t engage in these activities, they will at least begin to move while in their seats: wiggling their legs, leaning back in their chairs, rocking, or tapping their pencils. When these actions are also not acceptable, they may resort to misbehavior as part of a psychological need to move. Teachers consider many of these behaviors as red flags for an attention (or behavioral) disorder.

Another frustration kinesthetic learners face is poor achievement. Any type of learner can be successful. But of all the learning styles, kinesthetics are least likely to receive appropriate teaching. When reading is taught in the primary grades, most of the instruction involves the teacher talking (auditory) and using displays, either on the chalkboard or in books or handouts (visual). The teacher introduces new letters, words, or word families verbally and has the class repeat them (auditory), then write them (tactile). In kindergarten students generally take part in group activities involving songs with various actions and routines (kinesthetic), Projects requiring large-muscle movement are also common at that level, However, from first grade on, seat work predominates, and creative, kindergarten-type activities rapidly diminish. Not coincidentally, it is at this point that teachers often start complaining about "ADD behaviors" in some of their students.

tl;dr?
Basically, I'm saying that your spelling was a noticeable sign for me, and that it relates often to ADHD.

As I said, NLP may be able to help greatly.

Run a spell check application for a few months and you'll pick up quickly enough on any mistakes you were making.

While ADHD could theoretically make lucid dreaming more difficult, learning to control your would definitely help help you focus better during the day. Learning to control your dreams is a matter of learning to control your attention, both visually and by how much focus you put on things. It's my opinion that this type of dream control is also applicable to the real world. There is no better place to practice focusing your attention than in a dream.

I have a feeling this thread might be able to help people with ADHD cope a little better. http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=57283

I have moderate ADHD and I'm also a natural lucid dreamer. I have never taken medication for ADHD. I always considered it a fun, quirky part of my personality. I'm just easily distracted.

Well that gives me hope...
I feel like Im dagerously diseased. You all make it sound like Im contaguos or something. But thats okay. Sometimes I feel like im diseased any way. lol
So what if I didn't have ADHD and still typed like this, what would you say then?
Sence it seems my spelling is so poor. I wish you would give me an example of how the heck my spelling reveals anything.

Originally Posted by Onahappynote

Well that gives me hope...
I feel like Im dagerously diseased. You all make it sound like Im contaguos or something. But thats okay. Sometimes I feel like im diseased any way. lol
So what if I didn't have ADHD and still typed like this, what would you say then?
Sence it seems my spelling is so poor. I wish you would give me an example of how the heck my spelling reveals anything.

I did in my last post.

It was just something I noticed, not meaning offence.

I know. Sorry sometimes I get affended easily. Usually depends how my day is going.
But Thanks anyway.

I have ADHD and too was prescribed Strattera. I hated it and subsequently discontinued it's use.

As far as Lucid dreaming goes, Onahappynote, we have a little thing called hyper-focus. If you're passionate about lucid dreaming you should have no problems accomplishing it in record time.

For the record, Strattera is a SNRI (norepinepherine), not an amphetamine. It was initially used for depression and was found to help dial in ADHD'ers.

Onahappynote, if I can be of any help at all with other issues regarding ADHD, please don't hesitate to ask or PM me. It's nice to speak with someone who has subjective experience about what you're dealing with. Not just the typical ignorant replies, which for the most part, is what you've gotten.

because if you think about it, (and if you know about ADHD) the person would be sufficiently stimulated by a dream to keep concentration.

If you lose concentration, it was probably for the same reasons others do.

My dad, brother, grandma and I all have ADD, and we have very interesting (and satisfying) dream experiences.

I have LD's pretty frequently actually. If anything, because of the nature of the ADD mind, I'd say it opens up the dream world even MORE.

Originally Posted by Dream Weaver

As far as Lucid dreaming goes, Onahappynote, we have a little thing called hyper-focus. If you're passionate about lucid dreaming you should have no problems accomplishing it in record time.

haha, exactly.

But now that I think about it...I don't think I've ever hyperfocused in a dream. I don't think I'd know the difference, as I'm always pretty engaged.

I don't take meds or anything, but I have a moderate case of ADD. And I've only ever had one lucid dream and it was 10 seconds long. I've been trying off and on since about March '08.

Make what you will of that.

Tony Buzan (creator of the mind map) on ADDS and Hyperactivity.
A great deal of controversy surrounds Attention Disability Disorder Syndrome and hyperactivity.
One terrifying statistic confirms that, in America alone, over three million children have been diagnosed as having the disorder so seriously that they are on the drug Ritalin.
The debate rages as to whether it is a dangerous generalised diagnosis made by ignorant doctors, whether teachers are sticking the ADDS and hyperactive labels on children as a cover-up for their own inability to maintain the child's interest, and whether Ritalin is a miracle drug or one that is normalising, numbing and drugging fundamentally active and creative children into a conformist stupor.
To help you draw your own conclusions, the following information may prove useful.

ADHD; Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, is defined by the American Psychiatric Association and others, as a classifiable illness if an individual meets eight or more of the following criteria:

1. Cannot remain seated if required to do so.
2. Is easily distracted by external stimuli.
3. Experiences difficulty focusing on a single task or play activity.
4. Frequently beings another activity without completing the first (it is interesting to note that Leonardo da Vinci, normally regarder as the greatest genius of all time, was consistently accused of this!)
5. Fidgets or squirms (or feels restless mentally).
6. Can't (or doesn't want to) wait for his or her turn during group activities.
7. Will often intterupt with an answer before a question is completed.
8. Has problems with chores or following through on a job.
9. Likes to make noises while playing.
10. Interrupts other inappropriately.
11. Talks impulsively or excessively.
12. Doesn't seem to listen when spoken to by a teacher.
13. Impulsively jumps into physically dangerous activities.
14. Regularly loses things (pencil, tools, papers) necessary to complete school work projects.

These forms of behavior have commenced before the age of seven, and must occur more frequently than in the average person of the same age.
This means that at least half of the population will, by definition, exhibit these forms of behavior more frequently than the average. Are they all suffering from an illness?!


Read more here http://books.google.be/books?id=Hpvj...sult#PPA136,M1

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

This means that at least half of the population will, by definition, exhibit these forms of behavior more frequently than the average. Are they all suffering from an illness?!

It's a disorder, not an illness or disease. Like most any other mental disorder, MANY people will exhibit some of the symptoms, but most of those that you listed are quite vague and really just part of being human. By its definition, yes, it is possible that over half of the population feel the effects of this disorder to some degree. It comes down to an individual's choice, however, if taking medication to counter these effects will have less of a negative impact on his life than continuing to manage the aspects of the condition that he exhibits. If he can justify potential addiction to a substance to get rid of these symptoms, then he should pursue treatment. If he can't accept this, then he must either choose an alternate means of treatment, or just cope with life as it is. Every medication comes with the same statement somewhere on the paperwork: "Your doctor has prescribed this medication for you because the potential benefit outweighs the potential risks that come from taking this medication." If someone doesn't believe this to be the case, it's HIS responsibility to discuss a change with his doctor.

And to clear up some confusion from earlier in the thread -

'Speed' is the name given most commonly to methamphetamine in the United States and to Amphetamine Sulfate in Europe, when methamphetamine is much less common. Speaking from a purely chemical stance, yes, prescription medications for ADD/ADHD (methylphenidate aside, which is more closely related to cocaine) are amphetamine, or sometimes even methamphetamine as is the case with the medication Dexosyn (dextromethamphetamine). However, street speed is almost always 'cut' with many other substances, such as paracetamol or caffeine, and is considered to be one of the 'dirtiest' street drugs. It really isn't fair to condemn those who take these stimulants at pharmaceutical doses for the treatment of a professionally diagnosed condition in the same way you would the people who take exorbitant doses for recreational purposes.

Thanks everyone!
I emmensly appriciate your insight and opinions.
Thanks again!

My mom says I have ADHD, But I was last tested when I was 5.
And long story short my adopted mom is a bitch,
and I take adhd medicine, and I have alot fo WILDs.
and when I dont take the medicine I have alot of WILDs also..
so yeah. I dont think I helped you anythough

I use to have ADD / ADHD

I managed to get rid of it by not eating chemical preservatives and such.

Specially candy's and instant foods, junk foods. I try not to eat it at all. I never eat candy anymore now.

I found out for a fact once that potassium sorbate causes ADHD.

One day i was really hungry and i had not been eating chemical preservatives for a good few years. I was in a grocery store and i ate a bag of twizzlers. I honestly thought when i was first eating them that there was no harmful preservatives in them. Just dyes.

When i got to check out counter after eating half the bag. I was having real trouble focusing and thinking. I asked the casher if i had enough money to pay for everything, yet i was holding the money in my hand. SO there was no way for her to know how much money i had.

hehe, well these are just my personal experiences of course.

If anyone here does have ADD / ADHD, you should try changing your diet and not consuming chemical preservatives and junk foods. Medication should be the last resort.

Edit: In fact my sister when she was in school, she told me about how some of the teachers were talking about how preservatives cause ADHD heh.

Oh, If we could distill every persons emotional/intellectual transgressions to diet and will-power alone then the world would be full of well-rounded people eager to learn on everyone elses terms and forgo ones self in any kind of growing process, correct?

ADD was once diagnosed as minor brain damage. It is now called ADHD/ADD and is met with derision by fools of all walks of life, even those who believe Elvis is 74 now.

My point being, no one questions retardation cause it's so visible and yet ADHD is just a discipline issue. A blood disorder is considered gospel, though?

If you lost symptoms of ADD/ADHD by discontinuing the consumption of dyes that means you lost a food allergy and not ADHD.

People, please stop with the holier than thou approach to ADD/ADHD medication with tough love responses..

ADD/ADHD people who tend to refuse contemporary medication tend to medicate themselves with illicit drugs and risk dependency and the tribulations that ensue with such an erroneous approach to fruition.

Originally Posted by Dream Weaver

If you lost symptoms of ADD/ADHD by discontinuing the consumption of dyes that means you lost a food allergy and not ADHD.

No i didn't just say Dyes lol. Did you even read what i said.

I in fact said that i didn't think dyes caused ADHD. You didn't read what i said.

If i have a food allergy to sorbates, then yes thats fine and all. But however sorbates are chemicals, as well as posions. Our government allows posions to be put in our foods because its cheap to do.

While you can believe what you like, i believe that sorbates and all the rest of the posions our government allows to be put into foods is the cause of most mental disorders, cancer, austim, ect ect.

But we all have our different beliefs

These of course are my beliefs that our government posions us in favor of money. So well if theres any open minded people out there willing to believe stuff other then what there told to believe. If you have ADHD/ ADD stop eating posions that are in your foods

Absolutely everything in existence is a chemical. Glucose, a naturally produced chemical vital to aerobic respiration has the chemical formula of C6H12O6. Proteins, such as those found in many living tissues are long chains of amino acids, which have intimidating-sounding names like isoleucine or asparagine.

Lots of things are toxic in large amounts. Penicillin can cause nausea, vomiting, seizures, and behavioral changes among other things. I would bet a fairly large sum of money that if food manufacturers decided to add minute amounts of penicillin to products as an antibacterial agent, there would be many alarmist "studies" on the toxicity of it, all of them concluding that we should stop using it even though only a small percentage of the population suffered from it.

While we're at it, lets ban the use of strawberries, milk, peanuts, tree nuts, and wheat. Those all have been shown to cause violent reactions in the general population.

Potassium sorbate was approved for use because studies showed it to have no effect outside of slowing microbial growth. If it really is so poisonous, why isn't everyone suffering? And why isn't everyone showing symptoms from the moment they begin to consume it?

I take medicine for it but it wears off at night so it is hard to do reality checks and ld in general you can lose interest very fast

Originally Posted by Licity

Absolutely everything in existence is a chemical. Glucose, a naturally produced chemical vital to aerobic respiration has the chemical formula of C6H12O6. Proteins, such as those found in many living tissues are long chains of amino acids, which have intimidating-sounding names like isoleucine or asparagine.

Lots of things are toxic in large amounts. Penicillin can cause nausea, vomiting, seizures, and behavioral changes among other things. I would bet a fairly large sum of money that if food manufacturers decided to add minute amounts of penicillin to products as an antibacterial agent, there would be many alarmist "studies" on the toxicity of it, all of them concluding that we should stop using it even though only a small percentage of the population suffered from it.

While we're at it, lets ban the use of strawberries, milk, peanuts, tree nuts, and wheat. Those all have been shown to cause violent reactions in the general population.

Potassium sorbate was approved for use because studies showed it to have no effect outside of slowing microbial growth. If it really is so poisonous, why isn't everyone suffering? And why isn't everyone showing symptoms from the moment they begin to consume it?

Well what i preach is balance, sure taken some potassium sorbate is okay, but eating it all the time cant be good.

I don't worry about eating it in small amounts, but i try to not consume it too much.

So i assume its not a allergy, i can eat some of it, but if eat too much i start feeling like crap. So i make sure not too eat too much of it.

If it really is so poisonous, why isn't everyone suffering? And why isn't everyone showing symptoms from the moment they begin to consume it?

We are all suffering, do you know what the ADD/ADHD rate is in this country right now? Its gotten worse of course since we found out about it too.

You dont feel the symptoms at first because they have always been there. You wont realize the difference until you completely stop eating PS, and then eat alot of it all at once. Thats what i did. I didn't eat it for a long time, then one day i just loaded up on the stuff, then my brain stopped working correctly.

However since then i have no had much ADHD symptoms, but i still do eat PS in moderation. I just try to not eat too much of it.

In small does's im sure its fine, but eating too much of it cant be good.



It is a unnatural chemical, so our body's are not used to getting rid of it out of our body's, so its easier to build up even if you don't eat too much of it.

These are of course my own experiences, but i challenge you if you have ADD / ADHD, to not eat as much chemical preservatives and see if you don't see a difference in how you feel.

If you don't feel different well then keep eating the stuff. No bother to me of course, since i don't have ADD / ADHD no more.

I laugh at this thread.

Everyone had or has ADHD.. It's the worlds biggest sack of bologna.

OMG!
Thats how I felt last night! I could not, for the life of me, stay still long enough for the whole trick your body to think your asleep thing and I lost interest really fast. It was super frustrating!
AH! I still hav'nt had a single lucid.

sorry.