Thread: What would you like to see on a lucid dream induction DVD?

Interviews, lots of interviews covering different type of people. I want to know how different people think and practice LDs.

Second that on the interviews. Expert lucid dreamers. Children who lucid dream. Stephen LaBerge from the Lucidity Institute. Someone who just had their first LD.

A dvd that doesn't present it as some kind of new age phenomenon, does not talk about BD stuff, sticks to the science, does not make crazy claims, and just has regular people dressed normally and behaving normally. And appropriate use of terminology. That's all I ask of you.

Originally Posted by Shift

A dvd that doesn't present it as some kind of new age phenomenon, does not talk about BD stuff, sticks to the science, does not make crazy claims, and just has regular people dressed normally and behaving normally. And appropriate use of terminology. That's all I ask of you.

Excuse me if I am ignorant but what is this "BD stuff" ?

Otherwise I agree. Lucid dreaming is ancient thing after all if viewed as shamanistic traditions etc.

I don't know all about terminology because I was doing this stuff long before I knew that it was called LD and that there were internet sites like this but I think I've caught up with time now ^^

Originally Posted by Unelias

Excuse me if I am ignorant but what is this "BD stuff" ?

Otherwise I agree. Lucid dreaming is ancient thing after all if viewed as shamanistic traditions etc.

I don't know all about terminology because I was doing this stuff long before I knew that it was called LD and that there were internet sites like this but I think I've caught up with time now ^^

"Beyond Dreaming: Here OBEs, dream precognition, sharing dreams, and other freaky paranormal things can be discussed." (gotta love that definition) Basically, the highly controversial and paranormal that for all you know is a figment of someone's imagination.

In my personal definition, that means dream sharing, 'night stalkers', AP, not differentiating between a lucid dream and an OBE which isn't lucid since you don't realize it's just a dream, any of that stuff. Things that are unnecessarily extraneous to the concept of lucid dreaming but often associated, things that haven't been supported by science in the slightest but are claimed, like astral realms and that minds are secretly the internet and that I can haxxor your brain and steal your life force through my dark vampire powers.

Avoid stupid mystical music, triangles and pyramids, floating eyes, etc. in the presentation of the DVD, and just say "Lucid dreaming. You know you're dreaming in your dream. It's whatever you make it, and can be as real as RL, or you can pretend to be a superhero, or a porn star, or it can involve gypsies and psychics and demons if you so desire".

What I mean is, present the straight facts. People who want to put a BD spin on it will do so, people who want to put a biological spin on it will do so, the psychologists will do so in their own respective ways, and the religious, and the atheist, and the symbolic and spiritual, and the not symbolic and spiritual, but please just keep it unbiased so that it isn't ruined for a group of people, and that at the end of the day a person can take away from it the strict straight up facts and info and can then go home and interpret it and apply whatever they chose to. And hopefully the majority will not continue to think that we're all nuts. Either present no stances, or all, but don't just add subliminal suggestions that it's in any way related to that new age/paranormal stuff. Lucid dreaming isn't about any of those things. ANY of them. It's just knowing that you're dreaming while you're dreaming.

Oh and in terms of terminology, using REM atonia, sleep paralysis, hypnagogia vs hypnopomp, the stages of sleep, etc. accurately and properly as per their strict scientific definitions, not interchanging them though they should not be and creating more confusion.

Why are you asking this?

Originally Posted by A dreamer168

Why are you asking this?

Curiosity? My main motive most of the time I too would like to know what different people think as necessary or core elements of lucid dreaming. ( Taking account how personal this all is )

Oh and thank you Shift, I just realized it a minute before I read your reply I was just browsing some other thread when I noticed Beyond Drea... damn. ^^
Yeah, it should be made plain LD video. It's always bad to mix too much different things in same pot. Besides, it would appeal general public more if it stays in mere lucid dreaming. No offence to anyone in the BD section, I train psionics myself, for the record. Yet, I am wise ( *grin*) enough not to mix them with this DVD ( which is pure imagination : /)

Originally Posted by Shift

"Beyond Dreaming: Here OBEs, dream precognition, sharing dreams, and other freaky paranormal things can be discussed." (gotta love that definition) Basically, the highly controversial and paranormal that for all you know is a figment of someone's imagination.

In my personal definition, that means dream sharing, 'night stalkers', AP, not differentiating between a lucid dream and an OBE which isn't lucid since you don't realize it's just a dream, any of that stuff. Things that are unnecessarily extraneous to the concept of lucid dreaming but often associated, things that haven't been supported by science in the slightest but are claimed, like astral realms and that minds are secretly the internet and that I can haxxor your brain and steal your life force through my dark vampire powers.

Avoid stupid mystical music, triangles and pyramids, floating eyes, etc. in the presentation of the DVD, and just say "Lucid dreaming. You know you're dreaming in your dream. It's whatever you make it, and can be as real as RL, or you can pretend to be a superhero, or a porn star, or it can involve gypsies and psychics and demons if you so desire".

What I mean is, present the straight facts. People who want to put a BD spin on it will do so, people who want to put a biological spin on it will do so, the psychologists will do so in their own respective ways, and the religious, and the atheist, and the symbolic and spiritual, and the not symbolic and spiritual, but please just keep it unbiased so that it isn't ruined for a group of people, and that at the end of the day a person can take away from it the strict straight up facts and info and can then go home and interpret it and apply whatever they chose to. And hopefully the majority will not continue to think that we're all nuts. Either present no stances, or all, but don't just add subliminal suggestions that it's in any way related to that new age/paranormal stuff. Lucid dreaming isn't about any of those things. ANY of them. It's just knowing that you're dreaming while you're dreaming.

Oh and in terms of terminology, using REM atonia, sleep paralysis, hypnagogia vs hypnopomp, the stages of sleep, etc. accurately and properly as per their strict scientific definitions, not interchanging them though they should not be and creating more confusion.

i agree with you on every point and im glad too see that most people share this view. ive been working on a dvd about healing for the last 3-4 months and im fed up with all the bullshit pseudoscience of the guy im doing it for. in this project however, i would be in control since it would not be made for an external client.

thx for all the ideas, you all. dont hesitate to suggest anything else.

Originally Posted by Last Man

i agree with you on every point and im glad too see that most people share this view. ive been working on a dvd about healing for the last 3-4 months and im fed up with all the bullshit pseudoscience of the guy im doing it for. in this project however, i would be in control since it would not be made for an external client.

thx for all the ideas, you all. dont hesitate to suggest anything else.

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I was thinking when I first read this thread, perhaps make it two DVDs, or a way to divide them. Stuff for the newbie who needs to know to start a dream journal, and then stuff for the advanced person. Fun goals, unique ways to use lucid dreaming (therapeutic, creative/inspirational, etc etc).

And I absolutely agree with the inclusion of 'lucid dream scenes' clips or something. What a reality check looks like, using a lucid power, maybe opening doors to go somewhere else, stuff like that would be neat, I have a whole collection on youtube and etc. but none that are that lucid-dreaming-related