Thread: What would you like to see on a lucid dream induction DVD?

EVERYTHING

No, seriously. The techniques, including RC's and SPing at the wild part. Then played out dreams and clips of someone inducing a WILD.

and of course CGI 'simulations' of peoples LD's

not CGI, but actually played out

(now don't go all: especially the perv scenes! puhlease><)

Originally Posted by ThreeLetterSyndrom

(now don't go all: especially the perv scenes! puhlease><)

Well now I know what youuu dream about

Originally Posted by Last Man

What would you like to see on a lucid dream induction DVD?

What sort of topics would you want information on? What techniques? Both for the rookie, but also something for the expert?

Stabilization techniques once you're in the dream. Spinning, looking at your hands, sitting and "do-nothing", etc.

I'd also like to see an attempt at making the DVD itself a direct induction tool, i.e. something you put on in your bedroom before bed; like, first it gets you all pumped up about LDing, then walks you through a guided meditation that hopefully sends you off into lucid-dreamland.

Interviews, lots of interviews covering different type of people. I want to know how different people think and practice LDs.

Second that on the interviews. Expert lucid dreamers. Children who lucid dream. Stephen LaBerge from the Lucidity Institute. Someone who just had their first LD.

A dvd that doesn't present it as some kind of new age phenomenon, does not talk about BD stuff, sticks to the science, does not make crazy claims, and just has regular people dressed normally and behaving normally. And appropriate use of terminology. That's all I ask of you.

Originally Posted by Shift

A dvd that doesn't present it as some kind of new age phenomenon, does not talk about BD stuff, sticks to the science, does not make crazy claims, and just has regular people dressed normally and behaving normally. And appropriate use of terminology. That's all I ask of you.

Excuse me if I am ignorant but what is this "BD stuff" ?

Otherwise I agree. Lucid dreaming is ancient thing after all if viewed as shamanistic traditions etc.

I don't know all about terminology because I was doing this stuff long before I knew that it was called LD and that there were internet sites like this but I think I've caught up with time now ^^

Originally Posted by Unelias

Excuse me if I am ignorant but what is this "BD stuff" ?

Otherwise I agree. Lucid dreaming is ancient thing after all if viewed as shamanistic traditions etc.

I don't know all about terminology because I was doing this stuff long before I knew that it was called LD and that there were internet sites like this but I think I've caught up with time now ^^

"Beyond Dreaming: Here OBEs, dream precognition, sharing dreams, and other freaky paranormal things can be discussed." (gotta love that definition) Basically, the highly controversial and paranormal that for all you know is a figment of someone's imagination.

In my personal definition, that means dream sharing, 'night stalkers', AP, not differentiating between a lucid dream and an OBE which isn't lucid since you don't realize it's just a dream, any of that stuff. Things that are unnecessarily extraneous to the concept of lucid dreaming but often associated, things that haven't been supported by science in the slightest but are claimed, like astral realms and that minds are secretly the internet and that I can haxxor your brain and steal your life force through my dark vampire powers.

Avoid stupid mystical music, triangles and pyramids, floating eyes, etc. in the presentation of the DVD, and just say "Lucid dreaming. You know you're dreaming in your dream. It's whatever you make it, and can be as real as RL, or you can pretend to be a superhero, or a porn star, or it can involve gypsies and psychics and demons if you so desire".

What I mean is, present the straight facts. People who want to put a BD spin on it will do so, people who want to put a biological spin on it will do so, the psychologists will do so in their own respective ways, and the religious, and the atheist, and the symbolic and spiritual, and the not symbolic and spiritual, but please just keep it unbiased so that it isn't ruined for a group of people, and that at the end of the day a person can take away from it the strict straight up facts and info and can then go home and interpret it and apply whatever they chose to. And hopefully the majority will not continue to think that we're all nuts. Either present no stances, or all, but don't just add subliminal suggestions that it's in any way related to that new age/paranormal stuff. Lucid dreaming isn't about any of those things. ANY of them. It's just knowing that you're dreaming while you're dreaming.

Oh and in terms of terminology, using REM atonia, sleep paralysis, hypnagogia vs hypnopomp, the stages of sleep, etc. accurately and properly as per their strict scientific definitions, not interchanging them though they should not be and creating more confusion.

Why are you asking this?

Originally Posted by A dreamer168

Why are you asking this?

Curiosity? My main motive most of the time I too would like to know what different people think as necessary or core elements of lucid dreaming. ( Taking account how personal this all is )

Oh and thank you Shift, I just realized it a minute before I read your reply I was just browsing some other thread when I noticed Beyond Drea... damn. ^^
Yeah, it should be made plain LD video. It's always bad to mix too much different things in same pot. Besides, it would appeal general public more if it stays in mere lucid dreaming. No offence to anyone in the BD section, I train psionics myself, for the record. Yet, I am wise ( *grin*) enough not to mix them with this DVD ( which is pure imagination : /)

Originally Posted by Dizko

Well now I know what youuu dream about

uh... yeah, sure.

Originally Posted by Shift

A dvd that doesn't present it as some kind of new age phenomenon, does not talk about BD stuff, sticks to the science, does not make crazy claims, and just has regular people dressed normally and behaving normally. And appropriate use of terminology. That's all I ask of you.

Same here. I went to the library to find books about LD'ing and Dreaming in general, but all were those BD'ing stuff. I refuse to read that. I would also refuse looking at the DVD if it has BD stuff.
Yeah, science ftw

Originally Posted by ThreeLetterSyndrom

uh... yeah, sure.



Same here. I went to the library to find books about LD'ing and Dreaming in general, but all were those BD'ing stuff. I refuse to read that. I would also refuse looking at the DVD if it has BD stuff.
Yeah, science ftw

Well I wouldn't refuse to (though I prefer not to), but if someone is going to present material about lucid dreaming it would be most effective if it took a completely neutral stance, simply taught the material, and then allowed the person watching the DVD to come up with their own personal view of what they thought about it or wanted to do with it, which they are going to do no matter what. But by using controversial anything, or trying to cram something down someone's throat, you turn people off of it and contribute to that negative association or stigma or misbelief that people have towards lucid dreaming and the sorts of people who practice it (and not just paranormal stuff, also that people are close-minded scientists or religious zealots or spiritual nuts or mushroom-munching junkies or whatever.)

Yea I'm a scientist-in-training, and I prefer things to have science backing them. I'm accepting that science hasn't yet and maybe can't support or explain everything, but to include anything such things, when they are completely unnecessary, I feel detracts from lucid dreaming rather than adds to it and spoils it overall for others by causing them to be viewed in a certain light

Originally Posted by Shift

Well I wouldn't refuse to (though I prefer not to), but if someone is going to present material about lucid dreaming it would be most effective if it took a completely neutral stance, simply taught the material, and then allowed the person watching the DVD to come up with their own personal view of what they thought about it or wanted to do with it, which they are going to do no matter what. But by using controversial anything, or trying to cram something down someone's throat, you turn people off of it and contribute to that negative association or stigma or misbelief that people have towards lucid dreaming and the sorts of people who practice it (and not just paranormal stuff, also that people are close-minded scientists or religious zealots or spiritual nuts or mushroom-munching junkies or whatever.)

Yea I'm a scientist-in-training, and I prefer things to have science backing them. I'm accepting that science hasn't yet and maybe can't support or explain everything, but to include anything such things, when they are completely unnecessary, I feel detracts from lucid dreaming rather than adds to it and spoils it overall for others by causing them to be viewed in a certain light

It's been proven that trying to cram something somebody's throat won't work as good as gently introducing somebody to it. Go figure.

What you did there was kind of elaborating what I said there. Thank you. (Guess I'm too lazy too type long posts).
Oh, for the record, I'm not the atheist, spiritualstuff-hating person. I think that things could exist, as in nor denying nor confirming. And I don't like people telling me that it really does exist, or that dreams have a special meaning or whatever. Oh, finally, I don't consider those people trustworthy sources, because they propagate at least one thing that hasn't been proven.

Finally, I cross-check everything I read, except for a few trustworthy things.

I gotta say, while being quite familiar with scientific way of approach, there is something I don't like about science. I can't put my finger on it..

But yeah. science has some very good aspects and science has my respect to a certain degree. Maybe I am just a bit hateful against all those scientist who refuse to do or believe anything unless it has been proven in 34923 ways and methods. While the general idea is good, it often goes way over boundaries.. like religion, philosophy.. heck, everything sucks when it goes too far..

Originally Posted by Shift

"Beyond Dreaming: Here OBEs, dream precognition, sharing dreams, and other freaky paranormal things can be discussed." (gotta love that definition) Basically, the highly controversial and paranormal that for all you know is a figment of someone's imagination.

In my personal definition, that means dream sharing, 'night stalkers', AP, not differentiating between a lucid dream and an OBE which isn't lucid since you don't realize it's just a dream, any of that stuff. Things that are unnecessarily extraneous to the concept of lucid dreaming but often associated, things that haven't been supported by science in the slightest but are claimed, like astral realms and that minds are secretly the internet and that I can haxxor your brain and steal your life force through my dark vampire powers.

Avoid stupid mystical music, triangles and pyramids, floating eyes, etc. in the presentation of the DVD, and just say "Lucid dreaming. You know you're dreaming in your dream. It's whatever you make it, and can be as real as RL, or you can pretend to be a superhero, or a porn star, or it can involve gypsies and psychics and demons if you so desire".

What I mean is, present the straight facts. People who want to put a BD spin on it will do so, people who want to put a biological spin on it will do so, the psychologists will do so in their own respective ways, and the religious, and the atheist, and the symbolic and spiritual, and the not symbolic and spiritual, but please just keep it unbiased so that it isn't ruined for a group of people, and that at the end of the day a person can take away from it the strict straight up facts and info and can then go home and interpret it and apply whatever they chose to. And hopefully the majority will not continue to think that we're all nuts. Either present no stances, or all, but don't just add subliminal suggestions that it's in any way related to that new age/paranormal stuff. Lucid dreaming isn't about any of those things. ANY of them. It's just knowing that you're dreaming while you're dreaming.

Oh and in terms of terminology, using REM atonia, sleep paralysis, hypnagogia vs hypnopomp, the stages of sleep, etc. accurately and properly as per their strict scientific definitions, not interchanging them though they should not be and creating more confusion.

i agree with you on every point and im glad too see that most people share this view. ive been working on a dvd about healing for the last 3-4 months and im fed up with all the bullshit pseudoscience of the guy im doing it for. in this project however, i would be in control since it would not be made for an external client.

thx for all the ideas, you all. dont hesitate to suggest anything else.

Originally Posted by Last Man

i agree with you on every point and im glad too see that most people share this view. ive been working on a dvd about healing for the last 3-4 months and im fed up with all the bullshit pseudoscience of the guy im doing it for. in this project however, i would be in control since it would not be made for an external client.

thx for all the ideas, you all. dont hesitate to suggest anything else.

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I was thinking when I first read this thread, perhaps make it two DVDs, or a way to divide them. Stuff for the newbie who needs to know to start a dream journal, and then stuff for the advanced person. Fun goals, unique ways to use lucid dreaming (therapeutic, creative/inspirational, etc etc).

And I absolutely agree with the inclusion of 'lucid dream scenes' clips or something. What a reality check looks like, using a lucid power, maybe opening doors to go somewhere else, stuff like that would be neat, I have a whole collection on youtube and etc. but none that are that lucid-dreaming-related

Originally Posted by Shift

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I was thinking when I first read this thread, perhaps make it two DVDs, or a way to divide them. Stuff for the newbie who needs to know to start a dream journal, and then stuff for the advanced person. Fun goals, unique ways to use lucid dreaming (therapeutic, creative/inspirational, etc etc).

And I absolutely agree with the inclusion of 'lucid dream scenes' clips or something. What a reality check looks like, using a lucid power, maybe opening doors to go somewhere else, stuff like that would be neat, I have a whole collection on youtube and etc. but none that are that lucid-dreaming-related

yeah very good idea- it'd be a waste to have to watch all the basic into stuff- better make 2 or more dvd's for oneironauts of different abilities

Originally Posted by yuriythebest

yeah very good idea- it'd be a waste to have to watch all the basic into stuff- better make 2 or more dvd's for oneironauts of different abilities

Yea, or at least separate the chapters and have them classified into different menus in the title screen, Novice (DJ, RC, DCs, dreamsigns, different techniques, stabilization, blah) and Advanced (lucid aids, tasks, dream control, etc.)

what would there be to say about DCs?

Originally Posted by Last Man

what would there be to say about DCs?

How to deal with scary ones (ignoring, befriend, embracing) and dealing with nightmare characters
Asking DCs to show you how to do stuff
To use DCs as dreamsigns (DCs who shouldn't be there, or are dead, or are from your past)
Ways to kill DCs (gotta pay tribute)
DCs' behavior in your dreams (if someone mentions lucid dreaming, dreaming, reality checking, etc.)
The ability to summon the memory of 'deceased people' (and a warning about how they may appear, like if your last memory of someone was from an accident or disease they may appear scary )

ok, i see. im not that familiar with DCs. i rarely see the same people twice in my dreams, mostly animals. crocs, dinosaurs, snakes etc. my dreams also (from what i recall) tend to have very little dialogue.

Originally Posted by Last Man

what would there be to say about DCs?

Sex!