What have LDs taught you about the waking world?

**Pyramis** · 12-23-2008 09:44 PM

I don't mean things you've realized from dream interpretation, like "I realized I'm afraid of disappointing my Dad." I mean metaphysical lessons from LDs that have actually changed the way you view and understand waking reality.

Here's one from me.

My first ever WILD. I read about it on the net one night and decided to try it the next morning. In the morning, I'm dreaming I'm at a ski resort on a snowy Winter's day. I wake up. But before I roll over and open my eyes, I remember I was going to try WILD. I'm lying on my left side and, without moving or opening my eyes, start to count my breaths. 1. 2.. 3... 4.... 5..... I feel nice and drowsy but really concentrate on the numbers and my breath. 7....... 8........ 9......... A strange clarity comes over me. I'm no longer sleepy at all and figure I may as well give up and try WILD again tomorrow.

I open my eyes and I'm sitting/lying in the reclined driver's seat of a car, parked in a snow-covered parking lot at the ski resort. The driver's door is open and I'm seated sideways, with my feet out the door and my left side pressed against the seat. You see? The sensation of lying on my side in bed became the sensation of the car seat. I get up and out of the car, looking around in amazement. I'm totally ecstatic with the success. Later I'll fly around and play a flying game with kids I meet on the other side of the ski resort, totally lucid the whole time.

The lesson I learned that morning was simple. It shattered the idea that the waking and dreaming worlds are necessarily separated by a wide gulf of darkness, unconsciousness, or at least hypnogogia. That morning I experienced a totally seamless transition from being awake in my bed to being awake in my dream. There was absolute continuity of awareness. That says a lot about the waking world: that realities aren't discrete, they blend; that one could, hypothetically, move back and forth between waking and dreaming at will, without losing consciousness; that waking up in bed every morning is just as devious a way of 'explaining' a shift between realities as a car seat pressed against your side.

For me, that experience eroded the belief that the waking world is somehow supreme over the dream world, more real. That morning I slipped sideways, not down.

**Shift** · 12-23-2008 10:41 PM

Absolutely everything I experience is a matter of my own perception, whether by my physical and neural perception, interpretation, expectation, etc., and to be much more chilled out about life because for all I know I don't know anything at all (which wasn't really taught to me by LDing, I've sort of felt that way my entire life but LDing has strengthened that knowledge) and relevancy is what I make it, to a certain extent.

Sort of ambiguous, I know. Basically, it makes me think more about how entirely subjective everything about life is and to just enjoy it for the moments and the sensations, and to realize how much of the world is filtered by my senses and mind.

**CourtingTheUnknown** · 12-24-2008 01:11 AM

I had this perspective before, but it was strengthened by the experience of LDs. I think the world is waking up a little more spiritually, maybe becoming more aware now that things like the internet make knowledge available mostly at our fingertips.

There was a time when everyone person I knew would laugh at the idea of controlling your dreams as though it were a myth. There was also a time where I thought people that claimed they had OBE's were full of it too, until I had a good slew of LD's myself, studied and practiced and experimented with them.

LD's further opened up a perspective that wasn't there before, that reality IS subjective. Especially when I found out how many people knew about Lucidity and were actively studying it and experimenting with it.

It's all perspective, what I see in a passing car is going to be completely differant from someone sitting on a balcony above the passing car. I kind of feel like I have a little more perspective then someone that doesn't believe in LD's or understand what they might mean.

We all share a physical reality that has rules and limitations, but I think those rules and limitations are just based on lack of knowledge. As science advances, and our "noosphere" expands it's knowledge, I think the world is in for some huge suprises and advances in the awakening of the human mind.

I appreciate science in that it defines boundries, (or lack thereof if you consider astronomical advances), but LDs and similar concepts and examples give power to what the eye can't see and lends to the concept of faith. That there is more to me then a physical body.

It's an abstract notion, and really hard to explain without going into mega detail... (obviously) But I'm not as skeptical as I was before LDs. and I see alot of "awakening and awareness" going on between science, spirituality, physics, (quantum physics and metaphysics) and religion.

Every day we are seeing the impossible happen, to me, LD's would be additional proof that we aren't using the full power of our minds yet, (humanity as a whole), or that there are some aspects of us that we don't use and are still "asleep".

**Hukif** · 12-24-2008 01:29 AM

That the waking world is more boring than lucids, of course <.<
Also, everything can be fun, as long as you know how to do it your own way.

**acatalephobic** · 12-24-2008 03:59 AM

Lucidity in general helps you to notice the subtleties in life that provide wisdom.
To take chances sometimes, and to go with the flow more.
Random occurances can be very insightful.
Too much control can cripple your concentration and imagination.
The imagination is limitless, so should your aspirations and inspiration be.
That weird shit happens, but its all a matter of how you deal with it.
Open doors that look exciting.
Recall is always important, to keep from repeating mistakes.
Music is a powerful manipulator.
Peace works better than violence, if done the right way.
NEVER give a politician (or a mouse) an inch, because he'll take a mile.
And ALWAYS follow the white rabbit.

**Unelias** · 12-24-2008 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by acatalephobic

And ALWAYS follow the white rabbit.

I agree with that. Everyone can think what the white rabbit symbolizes for themselves, but I know what it symbolizes for me

**ThreeLetterSyndrom** · 12-24-2008 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by acatalephobic

And ALWAYS follow the white rabbit.

Yeah, sure thing. Even though in my case I think it's a black cat

**fruitbootnfool** · 12-27-2008 10:39 AM

Basically what you said. I had a dream where I "thought" I was lucid and I killed myself, then I "awoke" and was walking around talking with my friends about this dream I just had. And then I awoke; I was amazed and had an enlightening day. So about the waking world: How real this all seems, as it all could be one big dream. But then what is real? Ahhh yes XP

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