Thread: Lucidity and out of body exp.

Originally Posted by RAPTORFAN85

Hello everyone,

Just kinda stumbled onto this site after having a crazy dream and doing some google searches. I read threw the whole main page on what lucid dreams are and how to have them. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE CLAIM TO BE NATURALS AND ARE TROLLS. I want to start by saying I am no troll. I have been a part of a couple of message boards for a while and have a pretty good rep. on them.
So, after reading up on lucidity in dreams, I realized that I definatly have a higher than most dream recall. I am talking probably 2 dreams a night average that I can remember with great detail. I have been able to do this since I was very little. As far back as I can remember actually. I think part of the ability to remember my dreams is that I realy love dreaming and somtimes thats all I think about before sleeping. I have never kept a dream journal or anything but I am going to start.
After reading about DILD and what they are, I realized that I have had a couple sparaticly threw my years. Not every night as some seem to claim, but the ones that I have had are very vivid in my mind and I can remember them to this day even tho I havn't had one in probably a year, up until last night.
It happens when I am dreaming, for no reason at all I will suddenly realize that, I am dreaming! It's like it just hits me, I say to myself, I know I am dreaming, this isn't real. I know people use "reality checks" and such to remind themselves that they are dreaming but thats not how it happens to me. It's almost like I just KNOW that I am dreaming.
When this happens it's almost like I float backwards out of my body. Like I am watching myself act from about 5-10 feet, floating behind my body. I know that some of you won't belive me, but it realy happens and I am not sure what triggers it.

Is this what people call an "out of body expirience"?

I also have dreams were I am conciously aware that I am dreaming (there's no question in my mind it's a dream) But I don't have ANY control over whats happening around me or what I do and say, but I KNOW that I am dreaming. It's like I am watching T.V. and just kinda along for the ride.

Do you guys think that this is the begining of lucidity in my dreams?

I am definatly aware that I am dreaming, But have zero control.

What can be done to gain control over these dreams? I know it can be done because I have done it maybe a handfull of times in my life, But I am not sure what I did to gain control, and when I did, it didn't last for very long.

The reason that I am asking about all of this is because my whole life I have had dreams that realy bother me. They are not always nightmares (but when they are they are horrible and scare the HELL out of me until I wake up) but the dreams seem so real that when I wake up somtimes I have a hard time telling myself that it didn't realy happen. Or when I was little I would sometimes have a hard time telling the difference of a dream and somthing that realy happened. (I can remember telling mother one time about how me and a friend were fishing and I caught a turtle and now it was lunch time and I was hungry. Well it was 8:00AM and I had just woken up. I had to try realy hard to remember that it was a dream, not real and it was hard for me to grasp that.)
Also lately I have been having dreams about an ex-girlfriend. I havn't seen her for 4 years. When we broke up it was her choice and I found out she was cheating on me after we were engaged so it realy broke my heart. I don't want to see her ever and I want her out of my dreams so I think If I can control myself I can get some closure in my dreams and be done with this. Like I said, Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between reality and dreams. I know we all have those moments when we think "did that really happen, or was I dreaming?" well that happens to me a lot recently.

When you say you watch your body from 5-10 feet back, yes this definately sounds like an OBE.

All of my LD have been DILDS aswell although i believe im getting very close to being able to achieve WILDS now and gaining control for me has never been an issuse as soon as i realise im dreaming i do what i like.
Basically the method i use to control my dreams is simple and been 100% effective everytime for me.

All of my lucids have started as nightmares and as soon as i question the possibility of something happening to me i simply close my eyes ( in dream ) as shout as loud as i can " stop ".
Then i repeat in my head that its my dream and i control it, basically in your dream your god, what you says goes. When i open my eyes either everything has froze or i end up stood in an empty room with eluminated windows/walls. From that point i basically speak what i want to do or happen repeatedly untill it either appears or changes. At that point im fully lucid and have full control over evertyhing. When you do get to that point its important to stay calm or you may wake yourself up rapidy. Rubbing your hands together aggresively seems to work for many people in maintaining lucidity.

If you want more info this thread should help you out quite alot :

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ead.php?t=9423



Hope it helps and good luck

No such thing as an out-of-body experience. It's pseudoscience, and I don't advocate it. You dreamed that you were floating. Isn't that cool enough?

If you want to know the difference between dreaming and reality, try using reality checks.

Originally Posted by Abra

No such thing as an out-of-body experience. It's pseudoscience, and I don't advocate it. You dreamed that you were floating. Isn't that cool enough?

If you want to know the difference between dreaming and reality, try using reality checks.

but faith lol

Originally Posted by Abra

No such thing as an out-of-body experience. It's pseudoscience, and I don't advocate it. You dreamed that you were floating. Isn't that cool enough?

If you want to know the difference between dreaming and reality, try using reality checks.

Completly disagree with this statement, judging what is possible and not possible through personal belief or opinion does not make fact...
Neither is it pseudoscience as ive read alot on OBE and noone has claimed or hinted it to be in anyway scientific.
I believe its possible and im not going to rule it out due to personal beliefs, neither should anyone else

Originally Posted by BigFan

I agree with lee's advice on this one. One thing to clarify though, you said that you saw yourself from 5-10feet acting. Do you mean as in 3rd person because than that's just a dream and not an OBE.

I agree with Bigfan here aswell i jumped into saying it sounded like an OBE without properly clarifying what you meant.

Originally Posted by lee1989

Completly disagree with this statement, judging what is possible and not possible through personal belief or opinion does not make fact...
Neither is it pseudoscience as ive read alot on OBE and noone has claimed or hinted it to be in anyway scientific.
I believe its possible and im not going to rule it out due to personal beliefs, neither should anyone else

I suspect no one is ruling it out because of personal beliefs.
They are ruling it out because of the evidence (or lack of it).
In my view occams razor applies.
OBE's can readily be explained by lucid (or non-lucid) dreams.
It's no co-incident that the induction techniques for an OBE and a WILD
are identical.

Proving a succesful OBE is so stunningly simple (what colour scarf did I leave in the next room?) that the lack of evidence leads to a nearly overwhelming conclusion.

I don't have much time for the meaningless "prove it doesn't exist" argument.
Its a matter of probabilities.

Yes, but has anyone attempted to prove it with a simple "scarf test" or similar?

I agree, I think they are one and the same thing and that two schools of thought have developed around the same thing. However, I'd be interested if someone has actually tested it.