are "dreamsigns" BS???

[yuriythebest]

right I'm sorry to be so iconoclastic of laberge, however this is what I think: when we first search for dreamsigns are dreams are totally random, then slowly as we believe there are certain similarities we start thinking that they are constant dreamsigns.. so did I - but my dreamsigns change!! some are still there, some are gone, and some new ones appeared. Furthermore actually being able to recognize them in a dream is a whole different matter- you must already be conscious, conditioned or plain lucky to some extent to recognize them, however as many here will testify including myself it's possible to get lucid without em. while "they are there" in my dreams I don't recall the last time they actually helped me become lucid. I'm sure they help some people though and if they help you become lucid regularly you should not stop using them. However in my case, instead of trying to evoke "regular" dreamsigns that may or may not help, I'll focus my energies on trying to MILD my way into have "you are dreaming" written signs and stuff plastered all over my dream environment, people/voices telling me I'm dreaming, spontaneous lucidity- I think that's way more straightforward. is this though even theoretically possible you ask? All I can say is that thus far I've had a dream while back where this is what I saw: (full info in DJ) and of course instantly became lucid, so I think with some effort this should be possible. LD-ing should be easy.

[panta-rei]

Well, obviously, they help some people. And no, no LD method works for every single person. Logically, thinking more about patterns in dreams will cause more patterns to occur, but some/most people have themes to begin with (usually being at school/work.) Every person is probably a better candidate for some sort of LD than others. I may be good at DILDs from random RCs, but I can't WILD. I have a hard time with MILDs, as well. And EILDs don't seem to work for me. It doesn't mean I can't achieve all of these if I put in some effort, but they'll just take more effort. So, Dream signs could be worthless to some people. But I think they can really help a lot of others. And I know you don't disagree.

[yuriythebest]

Well, obviously, they help some people. And no, no LD method works for every single person. Logically, thinking more about patterns in dreams will cause more patterns to occur, but some/most people have themes to begin with (usually being at school/work.) Every person is probably a better candidate for some sort of LD than others. I may be good at DILDs from random RCs, but I can't WILD. I have a hard time with MILDs, as well. And EILDs don't seem to work for me. It doesn't mean I can't achieve all of these if I put in some effort, but they'll just take more effort. So, Dream signs could be worthless to some people. But I think they can really help a lot of others. And I know you don't disagree. yeah if you read my post carefully I'm sure they help some people though and if they help you become lucid regularly you should not stop using them I basically agree with you about dreamsigns, my point is that there has to be an easier way

[Shift]

Dreamsigns aren't BS. Like Delphi said, they're great for some, not for others. I've gotten lucid from some great dream signs. But, I find it much easier to just keep a high level of awareness and practice MILD.

[panta-rei]

Well, easier is a hard term... Like I said, less effort may be required for someone to WILD while another person needs less effort to DILD. So, an easier way could be anything... For some people, the easiest way may be dreamsigns.

[Bucketheadjamz]

you said that dream signs change. well of course they do. i noticed that i had a particular dream sign. when this dream sign stopped occuring in my waking life, it stopped occuring in my dreams. but it's still a sign that i'm dreaming. although i have more success using WILD.

[Abra]

Sure, MILD techniques and writing on your hand is fine. But I'm not here to pat you on the back for that. Instead, I'm here to defend dreamsigns. The only problem with dreamsigns, is that people oversimplify them. First, know that a person, place, or object alone is not a dream sign. "My dream sign is dogs because I always dream about dogs." A dream sign should be defined as "a sure sign that youare dreaming." I'm very certain that you see dogs both while dreaming, and while awake. So, "dogs" alone is not a dream sign. A dream sign needs something that differentiates it from waking life. So if you pet dogs in dreams, but are allergic in real life, you could consider petting dogs a dreamsign. If your dog talks, or you see your dead dog, then talking dogs and dead dogs are dreamsigns. Reality check whenever you think about your dad dog, reality check whenever something *strange* happens with a dog. Also, dream signs do not have to be long-lasting. Get that out of your head. You can have a dream sign for a couple dreams, and then never again. If you MILD, as in, the technique where you envision that you're in your last dream, but remember to reality check when you see a dream sign, then it doesn't matter how long you've had the dream sign for. In all practicality, you'd be better off if you were apt at recognizing temporary dream signs. It would make you adaptable, y'know?

[Shift]

I disagree with that. I think a dreamsign is just a recurring dream element that can prompt you to RC. Something with a high probability of showing up in your dreams. Not necessarily something to make you lucid itself, but something to cue you to RC that you can figure out from your dreams and train yourself to RC to in real life.