Thread: Telling DC's they're not real.

Originally Posted by J.D.

I tried it.. he was offended!

Haha, more detail

Morpheus: What is real? How do you define real?
If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain

Originally Posted by Balder

Morpheus: What is real? How do you define real?
If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain

Morpheus: Have you ever had a dream, Neo, that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?

This probably refers to the allegory of the cave. Let's take the opposite way of the quote. How can you tell if the 'real' world isn't just some higher entity's 'dream' or 'matrix' or w/e. That you would be his DC and not realize it. And THEN what would you think if you got into the entity's world? Is it possible that 'the living' have crossed that line a couple of times throughout history already? What was it like before? Maybe can we refer to the animal and human difference? Intelligence, thinking. Were these the tools humans used to cross the line between animal and human? What's next?

An example would be really simple but somewhat hard to imagine, although it doesn't make it impossible: Maybe our universe is only but a small lab test gone wrong (or right!) in another dimension. Maybe even the test didn't last long (if an comparison is possible) and is of course on-going!! I've always been intrigued by that possibility. Everything is so fragile. Kinda like that episode of the Simpsons where Lisa (or Bart, I forgot) has a whole world developing on a removed tooth.

Oh well, back to studying.

Mine don't seem to be that lucid themselves usually. When I tell them that they aren't real (or that this is all a dream) they typically just continue their regular conversations, which in retrospect are semi intelligible at best. Every once in while I do get a surprising or insightful response.

It's strange if you think of the dynamic that is going on when you do this. It's like having direct access to your own subconscious mind, and being able to flat out talk with it. This is what I have found to be the most intriguing and valuable aspect of chatting with DCs.

i don't know what to answer....this morning in a ld a dc that looked like a good friend of mine told me when she saw me... "How can you be there if i'm on the phone with you."...she looked friggin surprised and almost horrified at the same time....and it totally scared the heck outta me...

Originally Posted by PeaceL

An example would be really simple but somewhat hard to imagine, although it doesn't make it impossible: Maybe our universe is only but a small lab test gone wrong (or right!) in another dimension. Maybe even the test didn't last long (if an comparison is possible) and is of course on-going!! I've always been intrigued by that possibility.

Haha! That's the kind of stuff I love to talk about when I'm drunk! But really, it's not that big a stretch. Think of The Sims. You leave it on and they go about their lives completing tasks based on a set of "stimuli" and rules relating to how they are influenced by that stimuli. They aren't very sophisticated simulations, and are not what we'd call intelligent or self-aware, but they aren't too far behind us. Humans do things based on various stimuli as well. Hungry? Eat. Millions of influencing factors (and a bit of abstract thought) largely control what we do with ourselves.

Say one day, a Sims x is created where the game has become so sophisticated that the simulated people are indistinguishable from actual human beings. They wonder about the origin of their universe and how they came to be. There's no way they could actually prove they were segments of computer code running in a computer simulation. In their universe, they are real. Put the game on "Ultra Speed" and they won't notice. Generations could come and go in the blink of an eye, but they would all have lived actual lives in seconds of our time, outside the simulation. Say one day some clever sim invents his own computer game, one in which you can create simulations of human lives and let it run. The chain could go on and on. How could we even know if we were nothing but a link in the chain of universes? Also, who's the ultimate programmer?

Or if you prefer a more organic idea, layers of dreams/minds. The DC's in our dreams having dreams of their own, in which they find more DC's and so on.

/end bizzare philosophy

Originally Posted by J.D.

The chain could go on and on. How could we even know if we were nothing but a link in the chain of universes? Also, who's the ultimate programmer?

Or if you prefer a more organic idea, layers of dreams/minds. The DC's in our dreams having dreams of their own, in which they find more DC's and so on.

/end bizzare philosophy

I like that idea! I've often thought of this. I mean I guess it was sort of proposed in Men in Black haha, with the marbles. Anyway every time I've ever told a dream character they're not real, they've always already knew, and usually smiled In my last LD a few weeks ago, right as I became lucid (via DILD), an already apparently very disgruntled DC bumped into me and said, "Watch out, I need to go [something something, I forget what he said]" and I said, "No you don't....you're not even real! This is a dream haha." He became even more annoyed and said, "Yeah. Now you're getting it." Crazy DC's

Originally Posted by J.D.

Say one day, a Sims x is created where the game has become so sophisticated that the simulated people are indistinguishable from actual human beings. They wonder about the origin of their universe and how they came to be. There's no way they could actually prove they were segments of computer code running in a computer simulation. In their universe, they are real. Put the game on "Ultra Speed" and they won't notice. Generations could come and go in the blink of an eye, but they would all have lived actual lives in seconds of our time, outside the simulation. Say one day some clever sim invents his own computer game, one in which you can create simulations of human lives and let it run. The chain could go on and on. How could we even know if we were nothing but a link in the chain of universes? Also, who's the ultimate programmer?

I've thought about this... Like how do we really know that we aren't just sims ourselves? Cos if we are, why hasn't the person micro-managing my life figured out the cheat codes yet so I can have tons of money and a kick ass figure? Do I have one of those players that want to play the game 'true-to-life?' That sadistic bastard!!

Originally Posted by J.D.

Or if you prefer a more organic idea, layers of dreams/minds. The DC's in our dreams having dreams of their own, in which they find more DC's and so on.

/end bizzare philosophy

Is it possible we're DC's in someone elses dream? (playing on the shared dreaming theory a bit, here).

Originally Posted by J.D.

Haha! That's the kind of stuff I love to talk about when I'm drunk! But really, it's not that big a stretch. Think of The Sims. You leave it on and they go about their lives completing tasks based on a set of "stimuli" and rules relating to how they are influenced by that stimuli. They aren't very sophisticated simulations, and are not what we'd call intelligent or self-aware, but they aren't too far behind us. Humans do things based on various stimuli as well. Hungry? Eat. Millions of influencing factors (and a bit of abstract thought) largely control what we do with ourselves.

Say one day, a Sims x is created where the game has become so sophisticated that the simulated people are indistinguishable from actual human beings. They wonder about the origin of their universe and how they came to be. There's no way they could actually prove they were segments of computer code running in a computer simulation. In their universe, they are real. Put the game on "Ultra Speed" and they won't notice. Generations could come and go in the blink of an eye, but they would all have lived actual lives in seconds of our time, outside the simulation. Say one day some clever sim invents his own computer game, one in which you can create simulations of human lives and let it run. The chain could go on and on. How could we even know if we were nothing but a link in the chain of universes? Also, who's the ultimate programmer?

Or if you prefer a more organic idea, layers of dreams/minds. The DC's in our dreams having dreams of their own, in which they find more DC's and so on.

/end bizzare philosophy

Did you write this with knowledge of the computer simulation theory? If not...

Are You Living in a Computer Simulation?

To briefly summarize: If it is possible to create such a simulation as you have described, we are almost certainly living in a computer simulation. The reason being that there could be an infinite amount of computer simulations, but there can only be one reality. This means the odds of us living in reality are basically 1/infinity, which is as close to 0 as you can possibly get.

Originally Posted by DreamVortex

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He looked down at the ground sadly and said, "Alright well." I actually felt bad!

Originally Posted by Balder

Morpheus: What is real? How do you define real?
If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain

Excellent quotation!

I tried it again yesterday but they said something that kind of scared me

Originally Posted by Zezarict

I tried it again yesterday but they said something that kind of scared me

What??

imo DCs are a waste of time and effort, I avoid them amap.

Originally Posted by TurtleLG

What??

I don't remember but it was pretty threatening and they had a gun, but I did too so they didn't get a chance to shoot...

They ask for proof? Not like I care, while asleep, a DC is as real as... reality! Once I wake up though <.<

Well actually, I never told a dream character that they weren't real. I did tell them though that...

"This is a dream, you know that, right?"

He jus laughed, gave me a warm smile, and said;

"I knew that before you did."

I felt a bit confused by then

Originally Posted by Zezarict

I don't remember but it was pretty threatening and they had a gun, but I did too so they didn't get a chance to shoot...

Ha nice