Thread: The one base rule for lucidity

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Hmm. Well, yes and no. While I believe they have similar factors, I don't think something that is so predominantly mental can be completely analogous to things like martial arts, beyond the point that I do think that there can be steps made to make the attainment of lucidity more frequent.

When it comes to "perfecting" the ability, though - to the point where anytime you want to have one, you can have one - I'm a little skeptical (even though I know there are people here who claim to be able to do just that). The reason being is because there is so much involved in dreaming that IS unconscious. It's not like moving your arm here, or placing your foot there. It is more about directing the physiology of your brain, which I believe is much more difficult to do.

There are just so many factors that can influence what your brain does at what time; and how it reacts to what stimuli; and what affect (if any) the unconscious schema floating around in the back of your mind will have on your attempts at recognizing the dream state. It depends on things like how sharp you are, at any given moment. Are you ill? Is your mind cloudy? Are you depressed about something? Are you anxious about something you have to do tomorrow? Was that chick that sits across from you at work giving you signs, earlier? Yadda yadda yadda...

To this extent, it is still much like the more physical things (such as martial arts) in that those are all variables that might affect your chances of success, but I believe those variables are much more dire, when it comes to things like lucid dreaming, and other matters of consciousness. If you catch a stray thought, while trying to break a board with your hand, your form may be sloppy, but the board might still be broken. If a thought strays, while you're trying to induce lucidity, you're likely to slip passively through the dream state, and lose all chance of succeeding. I believe that the margin for error is much slimmer.

So, I really don't know if it's possible to gain total control over when and how you gain lucidity. Sure, you can increase your chances, exponentially, through practice, but can it be "perfected?" That, I'm much less certain of.

I never said any one person would ever actually be able to induce lucidity consciously (if there were such a way). Instead, such a way would be technically possible even if it were never properly achieved perfectly in practice (I could say that it's possible for me to remember pi to a million decimal places, but I'll never do it because it's sufficiently "hard"). I agree that if there exists a fully conscious method, it is very hard and doubtful it can be perfected to the extent that you could (in practice) do it on demand without fail.

EDIT: also, there can exist a conscious method for one-self which does not matter for the first theorem in this thread (it would be valid with or without unconscious implications because the tech would be tailored to trigger your unconscious properly). And you might be able to do this tech perfectly. The real question of the thread is: can other people do this tech?

Originally Posted by ArcanumNoctis

Sub-conscious and unconscious are essentially the same thing. What you call a bs term "sub-conscious" just means it is a sub-level of consciousness. It is is a label established by Psychology, which it isn't new age unless you want to say Psychology in general is new age. It is just more descriptive to prevent confusion in the utilization of words. If you want to be taken seriously in any academic interests, you will resourcefully apply either one in specific scenarios.

P.S. Word of the wise, don't egocentrically bull shit people.

You obviously have never received any formal education in the matter or even followed my link.... and seriously? "Established by psychology"? Way to attribute roots when you actually have no idea where a word comes from.